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I am really suprised at your comments. For a Singh who has such a beautiful Khalsa Roop, tall dumalla, bana and Kirpan over the top, your comments are worrying. Why should the Singh go Pesh???? He has not done anything wrong! What promise are you on about??? We adhere to one promise, and that is to follow the Rehat given by Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

Just wanted to bring something to the sangats attention...what do u guys think??? check the link below http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sikh-Khanda-India-In...id=p3286.c0.m14

Humble benti to the organisers: Please try and get someone to do katha in punjabi and english to explain the fact that Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Bani. It's very important to have this as there is a lack of parchar of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Bani

Before I start this topic could the mods please keep an eye on this; please monitor for any off topic threads. Humble benti to the Sangat; if you do not have anything relative to say then please refrain from doing so. We all know about the likes of KP Gill, Jagdish Tytler or even Badmash Badal. However, there are many 'Panth de dokhi' from the 80's and 90's who commited zulam on our people which we do not know about. There are a load of Police officers and politicians whom are mentioned all over the net. But nothing is mentioned of what their 'crime' was. It is important to know facts about what these 'dusht' have done to the Panth, not just heresay. I am currently writing a report on human rights violations in Punjab to send to my local MP. Therefore, it would be appreciated if anyone could share their knowledge on who and how were any of these responsible for injustices. Eg Saini? Ghotna? Bitta? Joshi? and any other DSP's, SSP's or politicians. Also, are there any books available documenting any of this?

This is a good book on Delhi Massacre: GOVERNMENT ORGANISED CARNAGE [sarkari Qatl-e-Aam].doc It gives eye witness accounts of what happened in Delhi. Also mention Indira's 'operation shanti': http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=32981 I agree with whoever mentioned it above, try to use non-Sikh sources as much as possible, that way it will have more credability to it. I don't think Canadian government could have done anything to prevent it.

Dr. Sangat Singh in his new book entitled, "The Sikhs in History" writes at page 415:

Taken from www.frontlinepunjabiyouth.blogspot.com Thursday, 13 December 2007 What was operation Shanti? Indira Gandhi, in her war against the Sikhs, was not satisfied with the result of Operation Blue Star, the Indian Army's attack on the Akal Takhat with battle tanks, mountain guns and helicopter gunships, although more than 5,000 innocent Sikh men, women and children perished in the operation. A direct descendent of Ganga Dhar Kaul, alias Gangu Brahmin, a cook employed in the household of Guru Gobind Singh, her vendetta against the Sikhs was due to what her grandfather, Motilal Nehru, had told her father Jawaharlal Nehru. Motilal had justified the action of Gangu Brahmin in betraying Guru Gobind Singh's mother and his two young sons to the Mughals because, in his opinion, Guru Gobind Singh's creation of the Khalsa constituted a direct threat to Brahmanism. Indira Gandhi had her Gangu-Brahmin ancestry confirmed by reference to family records maintained by Pandits at the Mattan Shrine in the Kashmir Valley and the confirmation firmed her resolve to carry on her war against the Sikhs. Not satisfied with the result of Operation Blue Star, she planned another nefarious operation, on a much larger scale, codenamed Operation Shanti. According to Dr. Sangat Singh, the assassination of Indira Gandhi on 31st October 1984 pre-empted Indira's Operation Shanti all over India by a week. For the details of Operation Shanti we are indebted to Dr. Sangat Singh for exposing Indira Gandhi's venomous plan to wipe out all the Sikhs from the face of India. Dr. Sangat Singh in his new book entitled, "The Sikhs in History" writes at page 415: Indira drew a diabolical plan, named Operation Shanti, to carry out a general massacre of the Sikhs, of genocidal proportions, around November 8, when the Sikhs would assemble in various Gurdwaras for Guru Nanak's birthday celebrations. According to the plan, large-scale skirmishes virtually amounting to a war were to take place all along the India-Pakistan borders. And, it was to be given out that the Sikhs had risen in revolt in Punjab and joined hands with Pakistani armed forces which had made considerable advances into the Indian Territory. The Sikhs all over Punjab, especially in Gurdaspur, Amritsar, Ferozepur, Kapurthala and Jalandhar districts were to be subjected to massive aerial bombardment, apart from being slaughtered by army and para military forces. The Sikhs all over India were to be subjected to mass scale massacre, loot, arson and incendiarism by lumpen elements organized by Youth Congress(I) activists. Elaborate preparations were made by Youth Congress (I) network all over India; they were to await a coded signal to start mayhem. The plan was discussed with certain army generals who advised Indira against it. They pointed out that Nazis had used gas chambers to finish off the Jews, but had not been able to do so. And, her plan to finish off the Sikhs in one go would only club her name with that of Hitler. But she was unrelenting. Indira was not receptive. In view of her nefarious Sikh genocidal plan, she paid a sudden visit to Kashmir on October 27, when, however, she got the omen of her imminent death. Back in New Delhi, the following day, records the Prime Minister's Principle Secretary, P.C. Alexander, "she sent for Gen. Vaidya and asked him in my presence about the preparedness of the Indian army in J & K to meet any unexpected outbreak of trouble. General Vaidya assured her that the army was very well prepared for any eventuality and there was no danger of it being taken unaware by the Pakistanis. Indira wanted to involve Vice President from that very stage, as he was to be the acting President once Operation Shanti was operative, and the inconvenient Zail Singh was bumped off. Significantly, Zia ul Haq stated at Indira's funeral that it was with great difficulty that he had been able to avert a war with India. His then No. 2, Ghulam Ishaq Khan, after demitting the office of President of Pakistan in July 1993, stated that Indira had planned to attack Pakistan but was shot dead some ten days before the D-Day. The omen of her imminent death weighed on Indira for the rest of her four days of life. That was uppermost in her mind when she spoke of her violent death at the public meeting at Bhubaneshwar on October 29. Later, in the evening, she broached the subject with Orissa Governor, B. N. Pandey, at the dinner table. The thought lingered on, as she returned to Delhi on October 30 night. But unlike Aurangzeb who was remorseful at the "burden of sin" he was carrying, Indira, not being religious, was unrelenting. Beant Singh, Sub-Inspector in Indira's security, got the contours of Indira's Sikh-genocidal plan from R. K. Dhawan, Special Assistant to Prime Minister, and decided to act to thwart it. He commissioned Satwant Singh to assist him. On October 31, 1984, at 9.00 a.m. Beant Singh with his service revolver shot Indira in the abdomen and pumped five bullets. In less than a minute, at his call, Satwant Singh emptied his automatic carbine in Indira's abdomen region. Actually, one bullet in the head would have been sufficient. But abdomen was chosen because, firstly, they had been assured that she would not be wearing her bulletproof jacket, and secondly, they did not want to hurt anyone else, which a shot at her head might have entailed. Beant Singh had cautioned Satwant Singh to ensure that his friend Dhawan was not hurt in the melee. After shooting Indira, both threw down their weapons and Beant Singh said, "I have done what I had to do. You do what you want to do"

The person who said that is Bagri! So why slander Shaheed Talvinder Singh? They are two different people!

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I aint threatened anyone! Read my posts properly you 'unpur'!

Just to clarify one thing, yes I have got a Hockey stick in the back of my car, I really enjoy playing Hockey

Petrol bombing cars? beating old people? what the hell you on about? Lol Sant Ji you getting angry now, where's your shaant ras gone now? LOL Next time you come to UK, we'll meet up and have bachan bilaas!

Firstly, Mahapursh Ji, I could quote Khalistani books and literature stating the greatness of Shaheed Talvinder Singh. Then you will reply with your anti-Khalistani books and visa-versa. It will be like cat and mouse; maybe you got time for that but I haven't. It is true to say my post was an expression of feeling; what's your point? Your obviously expressing your hatred and resentment for Shaheed Singhs of the 80's/90's through feelings. But I'm not surprised after reading your comment about that disgusting gay boy's marriage! Hence your resentment of Shaheed Singhs i.e. real men. Before you start denying it, think back to your post on the pictures of Shaheed Singhs in the langar hall. At first I thought you've probably got a problem with Shaheed Talvinder Singh but seems like you got something stuck up your *** with everyone! Singhs in the Khalistan movement had more Kamai than your perverted money making babeh will ever have. I've read books where they have slandered the great Mahan Shaheed of the Panth like Sahibzada Baba Ajit Singh and Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Does that mean I should believe what I have read in a book? You pupoo, who the hell are you to decide who enters the domain of Shaheedi-marjivara? Unless you know something we don't know due to your Brahmgianta. Akaal Takht Sahib has declared many of these Singhs as Shaheed so again what's stuck up your ***? You say we should be Sant then Sipahi, fair enough. So where were the Sant in the 80's and 90's when Bibia were raped? Where were the Sant when children were slaughtered? Surely they were Sant so was it not time to become Sipahi? The Singhs who fought in the movement had followed dharam yudh maryada: "Jabey baan laagiyo Tabey ros jaagiyo" Conclusion I don't think I am going to convince you, neither is that my intention. But one thing I will say is that don't slander these Singhs. If you don't agree with their stance then that's your problem. I'm glad you're not from the UK, someone will ended up kicking your ***! Stick to your Sant Mat. You talk about that Bhasuria mindset, which has definitely polluted the Panth. But I think people with your mentality are just as bigger danger!

What is a terrorist? 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism. 2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist] According to the second point, that means the Britsh Police are also terrorists!!!

Sorry just to clarify this post is in response to Dhan Dhan Sri Maan 108 Brahmgiani Mahapursh Sant Sadhu Pandit Baba Namastang Ji Maharaj's post.

:WW: Sri Maan Brahmgiani 108 Sant Baba Bhervinder Singh Jee You have made some very disturbing and offensive comments for a Mahapursh of your calibre. Is this what your money making babeh teach you? Firstly, I would like to condemn the statement made in that video as that is not what the Khalistani movement is about. However, without sounding like I am justifying it; I recall incidents in my life where I have said 'I am going to kill you' to someone but did not mean it. Also that statement in the video was not carried out and I bet they never had the intention of carrying it out. Secondly Brahmgiani Mahapursh Ji, Unlike the :WW: "Sant" who were sat in their 'Bhoreh' or having meetings with Indian government officials while Gurdwareh were being burnt down, bibia were raped and children were killed, it was these Gursikh that stood up against this. I am not sayin they were perfect, but they had 'anikh' in them. To stand against a Government would take alot of himmat. We can't sit here behind our computers like 'cyber warriors' doing nindia of people who have done alot more for the Panth then we ever will. If there are people who class them as Shaheed then why are you getting your 'dhoti' in a twist? We can talk about the theory of Sikhi and have as many bachan bilas with Mahapursh as we want, but these Gursikh who gave kurbania for the Panth should never be slandered. Even if we do not neccesarily agree with there stance, we should not have the audacity to insult them, regardless of what some book says. To everyone who has made negative comments about Shaheed Talvinder Singh; would you have the courage to fight for the Panth? Would you sacrifice your life for the Panth? No, I didn't think so either (and neither would I)! So please before you start running your mouths off behind your computer think before you make such remarks. Finally, if anyone wants to discuss this further then PM me and we'll meet up somewhere and discuss this. So many brave soldiers on Sikh Sangat!

Get your facts right before you start running your mouth off!!!!!!! He was a shaheed for the panth!!!!!!!!

No offence bruv/sis but you've lost the plot!!!! Thats Brahmin mentality, if you want to follow that ideology then fine. but please don't pollute us with that crap! Could you imagine if the whole panth thought like you, what would happen to it?

conterversial, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Sounds like a computer game. If you meant controversial then I don't think it is. The views stated on the blog resemble views of Puraatan Sikhi and Puraatan Gursikh. The only thing controversial nowadays is when people have the audacity to question the authenticity of Gurbani! If that's true that people are ripping Raagmala Sahib Ji out of Gutka Sahibs then there will be big consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The treatment dished out to Bhaniara shown in my avataar might be carried out again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've just seen the update on the blog. Thats absolutely disgusting, twisted and sickening to see!!! I cant believe he's wearing a kirpan! Better not say too much on here as this place is full of homo lovers too! People that support this kind of behaviour make me sick!! Absolute disgrace to Sikhi!!!

Im not comparing, Im just stating a fact that Sant Ji had studied Sikh Ithiaas thoroughly, therefore the saakhi he would tell would be more accurate.

lol Must be a Handsworth thing

Thats true, sorry I get a little excited sometimes. Bhul chuk maaf

Its the same story but one of them is probably inaccurate. I'll go with the one from Sant Ji's tapes, as such a knowledgable Mahapursh who studies 'vidya' would have the more accurate sakhi.

First Bani then Bana, we a need to be Sant until the time arises to become siphai. If we are not prepared to be Siphai when the time comes, then we're doomed. Hence you need both, but I fully understand that without Bani and kamai we cant do ****