Soho Roadie

I'm impressed, its dealing with stuff that is not dealt with anywhere else! I got so inspired hearing about that story of Gopal Singh, I decided to change my Avataar to show the wondeful seva he carried out.

Firstly, where is your proof that Bhai Bachitar Singh Ji never had any training. Please provide the Sangat with evidence of this i.e. a reliable historical text like Suraj Parkash would be good. Secondly, if you read this post no one is saying train train train. We are stating a valid point that nowaday Singhs are 'pupoos'. Thirdly, Miri is not higher than Piri. Miri means temporal and Piri means spiritual. The Nishan Sahib closer to Harmandir Sahib is higher than the one closer to Akaal Takht Sahib. You are contradicting yourself in this post. Conclusion: Too many people trying to preach on here when they havent got a clue! If people want to be pupoos then carry on. When ones dastar gets ripped off and one gets stabbed with their own Kirpan, maybe then people will start to wake up to this Brahmanism! Lets put our 'mat' (mentality) to one side for a moment and lets ask Guru Gobind Singh Ji why they came to this earth and created the Khalsa Panth: "ਚੌਪਈ ॥ CHAUPAI ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਾਮ ਤਿਹਾਰੋ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ ਦੂਖ ਪਾਪ ਤਿਨ ਨਿਕਟ ਨ ਆਇਆ ॥ Those who mediated on the Name of the Lord, none of the sorrows and sins came near them. ਜੇ ਜੇ ਅਉਰ ਧਿਆਨ ਕੋ ਧਰਹੀਂ ॥ ਬਹਿਸ ਬਹਿਸ ਬਾਦਨ ਤੇ ਮਰਹੀਂ ॥੪੧॥ Those who meditated on any other Entity, they ended themselves in futile discussions and quarrels.41. ਹਮ ਇਹ ਕਾਜ ਜਗਤ ਮੋ ਆਏ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤ ਗੁਰਦੇਵਿ ਪਠਾਏ ॥ I have been sent into this world by the Preceptor-Lord to propagate Dharma (righteousness). ਜਹਾਂ ਤਹਾਂ ਤੁਮ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਥਾਰੋ ॥ ਦੁਸਟ ਦੋਖੀਅਨਿ ਪਕਰਿ ਪਛਾਰੋ ॥੪੨॥ The Lord asked me to spread Dharma, and vanquish the tyrants and evil-minded persons. 42. ਯਾਹੀ ਕਾਜ ਧਰਾ ਹਮ ਜਨਮੰ ॥ ਸਮਝ ਲੇਹੁ ਸਾਧੂ ਸਭ ਮਨਮੰ ॥ I have taken birth of this purpose, the saints should comprehend this in their minds. ਧਰਮ ਚਲਾਵਨ ਸੰਤ ਉਬਾਰਨ ॥ ਦੁਸਟ ਸਭਨ ਕੋ ਮੂਲ ਉਪਾਰਨ ॥੪੩॥ (I have been born) to spread Dharma, and protect saints, and root out tyrants and evil-minded persons.43. ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਏ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪੁ ਆਪੁ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪੁ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥ All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੋਖੀ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹੁ ਨ ਡਾਰਾ ॥੪੪॥ They did not strike the tyrants and did not make them follow the path of Dharma.44. I don't know about you guys but it can't get any clearer then that. Guru Gobind Singh Ji has clearly stated in this shabad the importance of striking down the tyrants!!! If anyone disputes that then maybe if you go on to a Hindu-Brahman forum then you might find like minded people!

I strongly agree, too many pupoo's!! I recall two Singhs having an arguement once, and then it almost ended up in a fight. One offered the other one out to a fight, the other replied 'no thats not Gurmat'. LOL Obviously, it wasn't Gurmat for them to fight, but neither was argueing. Singhs use this 'not Gurmat' statement to cover up them having no 'bottle'. I've seen it many times, we walk around with Sant Jarnail Singh Bhinderanwale t-shirts but when push comes to shove; "I havent got a jeevan" Singhs walk around in Bana, wear big shaster, look like warriors, but are far from it. You would'nt see a guy walking in a Karate outfit if he didn't practice karate. The Bana is not a uniform of a Sant, it is the uniform of the Khalsa; Sant-Siphai!

You've just proved machetes point; He's on about Gill not tytler, kumar or modi! I see where you're coming from machete, alot people speculate without solid facts. It's like what Jaswant Singh Khalra says in his speech; 'we can't say to people in the west that "about" 10,000 Sikhs were killed'. We need exact figures for their being any credability in what we say. However, KP Gill is a bar steward, he has tortured many Sikhs in Punjab and not only that he has been responsible for the disappearancs of many Sikh youths in Punjab. If you want the exact figures then go to this site and watch Jaswant Singh Khalras speech: www.ensaaf.org Leave it out bruv, no one has the himmat to touch him! If you go on to his website www.satp.org, he makes a comment on how the only support for Khalistan is outside of India and the people who support it havent got the guts to say anything like this in India! Whether we like to admit or not; he's right. We too busy in our Brahmanistic mentally: "I have to sit at home and concentrate on my own Sikhi" or "I havent got a jeevan" We can't even stand up to the oppressors here in UK, how the hell we going to mess with KP Gill. The guys got Z plus security, which means 36 armed guards at all times! Before we talk about sorting out the dusht in Punjab we need to ask ourseleves the question: "have we got what it takes?" The anticipated responses to this post will portray exatcly what I am on about: "Just concentrate on Gurbani" "You should only tackle your enemies within (5 chor)" "Have you got a jeevan?" "Just focus on Naam" "Times have changed, there is no need to take justice in your own hands"

Does anyone on know which track Sant Jarnail Singh ji sings this dharna: 'Eh panchee kalaa eh, edai mugur shakaree bohutai' I know its on one of the dharam judh morcha speeches but cant find which exact one.

Just checked that blogspot out, good to see issues being addressed relevant to the youth.

I would have to strongly disagree with your points, yet they are valid. Maybe we need to define the meaning of 'questioning Sikhi'. The 'questioning of Sikhi' I am referring to is when one would start saying comments such as: why should I keep my kes? there is no point because Sikhi is on the inside" or "Why should I take Amrit? there is no need, your 'dil' should be 'saaf'. That is what I would define as questioning Sikhi. However, if your definition of 'questioning Sikhi' would be to analyze and understand the necessity of these actions, then I would agree. I feel it's imperative we follow the teachings of Gurbani but with a true understanding and not be blind worshippers.

Before I get shot, when I refer to these Punjabi girls, I am talking about the ones who date these Muslim guys and do these sorts of things. Just thought I'd clarify that before I get Kaurageous putting a contract on my head.

I tell you what, we've got to give credit where it is due. If you notice these 'Punjabi' ****'s would never be seen in a dastar or patka, but all of sudden when Mr Khan comes along they stop drinking, start eating halal, wear the head scarf and even sometimes start fasting...all this even before they have converted! It amazes me how the Muslims manage to do this. They also have alot of pride in their religion and never doubt anything about their religion. Our people question and doubt Gurbani, Sikh History and Sikh Philosophy; then we wonder why things are going so wrong. I once went into a Muslim shop and a Muslim woman just came out of the changing rooms. She was trying on a new Islamic outfit. She turned to her friend and said "Does my BOMB look big in this?" Lol Only joking, anyway, I went into a Muslim shop and there was a young Muslim girl (about 10 years old) behind the counter. I started asking her questions about Islam and she answered them well. I then asked about the wives of Mohammed Sahib and she told me exactly how many. I then asked how old was his youngest wife, she unhesitantly and in a proud manner replied she was 9 when she lived with Mohammed Sahib. I was shocked how she was proud to say he had a 9 year old wife. Hence, we should give them credit where it is due.

If you look at that Dentistry student ****'s picture she shows no sign of remorse on her face. That picture is obviously taken from when she was arrested, she don't even look scared considering she been arrested for murder. Good job they caught her though, she probably would have been the next suicide bomber.

I thought I was the only one that thought that! It's true these ***** never use Kaur; neither are they worthy of using Kaur. But when it comes to being in the papers all of a sudden they become Kaurs!!! Just imagine these are supposed to be the mothers of the future. "The futures not bright, and the futures definitely not orange"

Who is your next door neighbour? This needs to be addressed, thats maha beadbi!

I was born off Soho Road, hence the name Soho Roadie. I aint got nothing to do with 'Nishkam' sevak jatha! I consider myself to be apart of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's jatha; The Khalsa Panth

I don't know if its just me that has noticed this but there seems to be an increase in the number of Singhnia, especially in the West Midlands. Its probably due to the work put in by Kaurageous (keep up the good work!). However, just a humble benti from a brother. It would be helpful if these Singhnia could attend peaceful panthic protests e.g. R4G campaign. I understand that it is harder for bibia to get out of the house sometimes but, your dharam needs you!. At these protests there is a large number of Singhs which makes it look aggressive and intimidating (even though it's not). Also people ask "if this is such a big issue then where is the rest of your community?" We have no answers for this. So just a little benti to the Singhnia, if you could please attend any panthic protests. I don't know if there any coming up but the way things are going it will probably be soon. Bhul chuk maaf Ji Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Just a quick benti to the Sangat. Can you please post any comments on what you have learnt from this, which we can apply into our own lives. Never look at history and think 'oh that sounds great'. We should try and take the Sikhia (teachings) and apply them into our lives.

Again please forgive me for taking so long, but you know what they say "good things come to those who wait". Anyway enough of me going on lets get back to work: Interviewer: When do you think we will get Khalistan? That is up to Guru Gobind Singh Ji, we can't decide that. Our duty is to fight for it even though it may take many years. I have studied alot of history of revolutions from other countries. It took some of them many years, but in the end they still succeeded. I have studied Che Guevara and his revolution in Cuba. If you look at their movement, they started from just 80 people. They over powered a whole country. In their first battle they were left with about 20 people. They had the fighting spirit but most of all they had the support of their own people. Che Guevara and his men were soldiers, but we are saint-soldiers of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. We have the 'shakti' (power) of Gurbani on our side. There are many families that have supported us, but our politicians have let us down. I speak to many Kharkoos from other groups and they all say this too. We do not want credit, we do not want people to worship us. But all we ask is that if we become Shaheed just please look after our families. Has any organisation supported the families of Shaheeds? Have they ever even bothered to ask if they are alright? I feel so much 'dukh' (pain) when I hear how the families of some of the great Shaheeds of our panth are mistreated. Interviewer: Have you ever been arrested or imprisoned? Many times I have been arrested. I am currently wanted for the killing of those two dogs (police officers). The last time I was arrested was because someone informed the police of a safe house we had. Before they even asked me anything, I was beaten for hours with sticks. The police men ripped my dastar off my head and pulled my hair, threatening to cut it. They then started asking me where the rest of my group was and what our plans were. I didn't reply, I just kept repeating Chaupai Sahib as they beat me. That night I thought they were going to kill me. When a child gets scared in the night he cries out for his mother. That night I cried out for my mother. I did an ardas to Mata Sahib Kaur Ji "dear beloved mother please help me, I am your child, please help me". As I finished my ardas, I said Fateh then lay down on the floor. Mata Ji had heard my ardas, I could not feel any pain in my body anymore. I felt as if I had been given a fresh body. Such is the greatness of our mother; Mata Sahib Kaur Ji. That night I had such a beautiful sleep. I had a dream of the establishment of Khalistan, a place where there was no 'dukh' or injustice. All I could see in my dream was peace, love and happiness. Singhs and Singhnia were reciting Gurbani, there were children learning how to read and write Punjabi. I will never forget that dream, I hope one day it becomes a reality. In the morning, the officer in charged came to see me. He said I think there has been a mistake and you are free to go. I thought this was there plan to kill me and say I tried to escape. I was then released from the police station. I have full belief that it was my mother that had saved me that night. I was wanted by the police, how could they have suddenly thought they had made a mistake? These events that have taken place in my life have built my faith in Gurbani, without Gurbani we can never achieve anything. Interviewer: What do you plan to do now? Many of our members are now Shaheed, we need to recruit more people. Not just militants, in each group you need a mixture of people. We used to have a Doctor in our group, when anyone was ever wounded in an encounter he would see to them. We also have support from some rich people, who help finance our group. Theres many ways in which people can help. We also used to have a policeman who used to inform us of any wrong doings carried out by other police officers. One day we will get Khalistan. We do not want to be rulers. Gurbani Says: "Raj na chao, mukht na chao, man preet charan kamalare" (do not desire raaj, do not deisre salvation, may my mind be in love with your lotus feet) We do not desire raaj, we want freedom so we can express our love for our Guru in a just manner. Sant Ji said when the Indian government attacks Sri Darbar Sahib then the foundation for Khalistan will be laid down. They've attacked so the foundation has now been laid. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh End of translation The Singh who was interviewed became a Shaheed in 1994. The police carried out a fake encounter and shot him. The three Singhs who were with him when they killed the policemen who raped his sister are still alive. No information is known of there whereabouts. The Shaheed Singhs family still live in their house in Chandigarh. Before anyone asks anymore questions thats all that can be said. The reason is that these Singhs families face alot of hassle from the government still to this day. Even if the Singh becomes Shaheed they hassle the family so no one follows in the footsteps of these beloved Khalseh. Bhul Chuk Maaf Ji

Firstly apologies for taking so long to do this, but my Punjabi is very bad and it's hard to translate it into english. I want to try and get it as accurate as possible without putting any of my 'mat' into it. Anyway lets get back to it: Interviewer: How did you come into contact with other Singhs in the movement? This disrespect to my sister changed my life, it drove me to Amrit. I did not care what my parents thought anymore, my 'dil' (heart) was telling me to take justice. In the days leading upto the Amrit Sanchar I used to do an ardas everyday to Guru Gobind Singh Ji that please bless me with your Amrit, please give me the 'himmat' (courage) to take justice for our people, I am nothing and can only succeed if you bless me. The day I tasted Amrit was the day I promised to take justice. When we take Amrit we should become fearless because we become immortal. If we keep faith then Guru Gobind Singh Ji shall bless us with this ability. I was listening to Sant Jis katha on 'ab mein apni katha bakhano'. Guru Gobind Singh Ji says that they have come to the earth to spread 'Dharam' (righteousness) and destroy the tyrants. When we take Amrit we have to understand our duty. If we live and watch injustices happen then we are not Khalsa! When I became Amritdhari I made it my duty to oppose injustice! When the government attacked Sri Darbar Sahib, that was it, I left home and joined the Singhs. This woke alot of people up, it made everyone really sad that our Sri Darbar Sahib was attacked. Why did they kill women and children aswell? They wanted to eradicate Sikhi, if no one stoop up we would be finished! We have no emnity for Hindus, our fight is with the government. I had to learn my Nitnem off by heart, we are always on the run. We do not have time to sit in one place. We get about 3-4 hours sleep a day. If you read Gurbani, it gives you the 'shakti' (power) to live in these conditions. The fight is not over. Many Singhs have become Shaheed but this makes us stronger! The government has picked a fight with the wrong people. Interviewer: Which group are you a part of and who is your jathedar? I am a part of Guru Gobind Singh Jis army and Guru ji is my jathedar. You can never ask this question to any kharkoo. Even if our Singhs are tortured we still do not give this information. To be a Kharkoo, you have to be loyal to your group and never reveal information to anybody, it can effect the running of our mission. One thing I can tell you is that, we made them police officers pay! We watched them for many days, it was frustrating because as soon as I saw them I wanted to kill them. But a Shere doesnt pounce straight away, he watches his prey then kills. Once we figured out their daily pattern we attacked. This strategy is the most effective when you are fighting underground. Its the first time I've killed someone, but I do not regret it. My sister's life is ruined because of those dogs. Me killing them policemen has not changed my sister but atleast they can't do that to someone else's sister. We ambushed their jeep and bombarded them with our 'baarra bore' (12 bore Shotguns). There were four of us on two motorcycles, we left the scene shouting 'Raj Karega Khalsa!' Interviewer: Do you want Khalistan? Of course we do, there is no other option. We can't live like slaves, we want to be free. We want to live in a place where there is justice. Our homeland is the only solution. The government will not provide us with equal rights, we have no choice but to fight for Khalistan. ...To be continued

Before I start the second part, I am afraid I can't say who the Singh being interviewed is, but he was not a well known name. The Singhs family still live in Chandigarh, therefore no names and personal details can be included. Sorry for being so secretive but you will understand why when I put the whole written file up. Sorry for the delay, but here goes the second part: Interviewer: When did you meet Sant Ji After meeting this mother on the bus, I had a great desire to meet Sant Ji. I knew he held diwans at Manji Sahib Gurdwara, so I decided to make my way to Sri Amritsar when I heard he was going to hold a diwan. I was nervous on the way to Sri Amritsar, I did not know what to expect. When I got there I remember it was a really hot day, I first paid my respects in Sri Darbar Sahib and did parkarma at all the Gurdwareh on the complex. When I entered Sant Jis diwan, I remember exactly that Sant Ji was wearing a white chola with blue dastar. As i was walking to matha tek Guru Granth Sahib Ji I could feel there was something special about him. I had a 'khitch' (pulling feeling) in my stomach as I got closer, but I still remember the feeling was towards Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This assured me that Sant Ji did not want people to follow him, but to follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji. His voice was like thunder, there was silence as he spoke. Sant Ji had the roop (image) of a true Khalsa. I really felt I was in the presence of Guru Gobind Singh Jis fauj (army). Sant Ji was talking about the importance of taking Amrit in that diwan and how a Sikh should look like his father. When the diwan finished, I wanted to go say Fateh to Sant Ji but there was too much rush. I stayed that night in Sri Amritsar in the niwas. The next day I went back to Chandigarh. I did not tell my family that I saw Sant Ji, they would have got worried. From that day onwards I started doing my Nitnem. Sant Ji was my inspiration, he was the inspiration of many Sikhs in Punjab at the time. As days increased I increased my Nitnem to the extent where I started developing a love for Sikhi. I wanted to take Amrit, but my parents said "you are at the age where education is important, you can do that sort of stuff after. I was heart broken that my parents did not allow me to take Amrit. I did not have the courage to go against their will. Interviewer: So how did you become involved in the movement? My sister was coming home from college one day on the bus. She studied quite far away and used to arrive home after me. I was waiting and noticed she was later than usual. Suddenly she came home running crying and screaming. I asked "sister whats the matter?" I went to touch her to try and comfort her but when I got near to her she screamed really loud. I kept asking "sister whats the matter?" She would not talk to me, she locked herself in her room. I could hear her crying for a while. My parents had come home by now. My mother managed to get her to open the door and went in to her room. My mother also started crying, I thought maybe someone had died. My mother came out and told me and my father... (Editors note: The Singh breaks down into tears as he tells what happened to his sister.) Two policemen had stole my sisters izzet (they raped her). They dragged her into a police jeep and raped her! My sister was an innocent good girl, why would someone do this. As they raped her they reffered to her as 'Sardara di Kurri'. They said "if you tell anyone we will kill you". From this day my sister could not even go near any men, it took a while for her to even go near me. This changed my life! These things changed many peoples lives in Punjab. Many of our sisters izzet was taken by these dogs. I thought to myself, she was raped because she was the daughter of a Sikh, these sons of cowards will pay! Sant Ji used to say in his diwans "those that take the izzet of women should be punished!" This event led me to join the movement to take justice for all those that were oppressed by the government. ...to be continued

I've been sent an audio file of an interview from a Kharkoo Singh taken in 1992. The quality is quite bad due to how old it is but its an absolute gem if you would like to know about the jeevan of the Kharkoo Singhs and Singhnia. Unfortunately I can't upload the audio because I've agreed to the source of where I got it from that I wouldn't. But I am going to translate it into english and type it up. Interview with gupt Kharkoo Singh (1992) Interviewer: Tell me about your childhood and how you became involved with the movement. Gupt Singh: I was born in Chandigarh in 1964. I come from an upper class rich family and have one sister. My parents were both employed by the govenrment and had decent jobs. My father has always worked very hard in order for us to have a good education and upbringing. He came from quite a poor background and always used to say 'I don't want my children to go through what I have been through'. Both of my parents were not very devoted to Sikhi, they used to go Gurdwara but there was no emphasis on reading Gurbani or doing Simran. We were like a typical modern Sikh family from Chandigarh. My father was against Sant Ji (Sant Jarnail Singh Ji), he used to say "he's uneducated, what does he know about Sikhi?" I never knew any better so I never thought much of it. My sister was really educated, she always used to get top grades in her whole class out of everyone. Thats how my childhood passed, I just wanted to get a good education. I remember when Sant Ji started appearing on TV and on the cover of newspapers, I was interested into learning about what he stood for. I wondered is he really a Sant? I was speaking to a relative about Sant Ji and he said how Sant Ji had ordered the killings of innocent Hindus. This disgusted me, I thought is that what a Sant is supposed to do? i said some very harsh words, which I can't repeat. This played on my mind for days how he is giving Sikhs a bad reputation! I was sat on a bus on the way back home from College and this old lady walked towards where I was sitting. With every step she took she was saying 'Waheguru'. there were many seats available but she sat next to me. As the bus was going she started doing paat, at the time I didn't know what it was but i kept hearing her say Sant. She kept repeating Gurbani for about 10 minutes, then she stopped and looked at me. I couldn't look at her in the eyes, it felt as if she had power in her eyes. She looked at me and said "son, to slander a saint is a massive sin" She then said "how can one who repeats the lords name and Gurbani all day and with every breath be in the wrong? The government is trying to give us Sikhs a bad name and make false accusations, where they are actually the ones carrying out these attacks. Only time will tell and the whole world will see who is true and who is false." My heart sank, i thought to myself how does she know I've been slandering Sant Ji. At this point I realised that what a mistake I had made, this mother knew what I had been thinking. Such is the power of Gurbani! I asked her what she meant about only time will tell. She replied "the future for Sikhs is going to be a struggle. Have faith my beloved son, you have been sent here also for a duty. Us sikhs are born from sacrifice, we shouldnt be afraid. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is a beloved of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, never doubt this." She then patted me on my shoulder, when her hand touched my shoulder I felt some sort of power form her hand. She then said "As Sikhs we have a duty, we must oppose injustices, when you carry out your duty, remember this" With these words she got off the bus, as I looked back to see where she had gone she was nowhere to be seen. Only now I know that she kept repeating the salok: "sant saran jo jan parai so jan oudhharanehaar, sant kee nidhaa naanakaa bahur bahur avathaar" "One who seeks the Sanctuary of the Saints shall be saved. One who slanders the Saints, O Nanak, shall be reincarnated over and over again." I was confused about her saying about my duty, however, I still feel to this day that when she patted my shoulder my whole life changed from that day onwards. Interviewer: When did you meet Sant Ji? ...to be continued

please watch this video, the end part is really sad:

Please read this article: http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/St...mpensation+soon

Bloody Jatts!!! Not on about caste i'm on about the trade. Thats Kala Sangha Pind, people with the surname Sangha!!!

I agree, we need back up claims like this with evidence. I've heard many people say that Bhai Kanaya Ji founded the red cross, but I've searched the net many times and have only found Sikh websites claiming this. Please don't get me wrong, Bhai Kanaya Ji was an amazing Gursikh, but theres no need to make up stories. We want to be carefull that we don't end up like Muslims e.g. They claim that when Neil Armstrong went to the moon he heard the sound of 'Allah ho Akbar'

I came across this article and thought it would be appropriate to share with the Sangat, please read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,2193909,00.html

Gurfateh Ji What city are you from? Which school do you go to? Make sure whatever you do keep it light to start off with...then inject them with Gurbani!