BhForce
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Yes, he is an Ummah sympathizer. But so what? He's a Sikh, and we should argue it out among ourselves. It's extremely frustrating to try to debate and argue with someone who does not have an account.
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@ADMIN and @S1ngh, I call for Jagsaw's account to be restored. I don't say this because I'm a fan of his in everything he says. Everyone here knows that that I oppose his love for Islam. I don't know what he was banned for, but I'm sure it's been quite a while's punishment, hasn't it? If necessary, make him promise to be good, or put him on QC for a while. He has some stuff to say which is quite necessary, and other stuff which contributes to the conversation, if only to provide a foil to argue against. It's very difficult to have a conversation if you don't have an account and can't check notifications. Who else agrees? Note: This does not mean you agree with Jagsaw on everything he posts. I don't agree with any other poster on everything they post, but as long they observe a few simple rules, I don't know why everyone should not be able to post.
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Jagsaw, could you repost? This video has been deleted. Or repost what you remember of the video.
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The problem, bro, is that it seems that you have not based your views on Gurbani, but rather on your own mann (mind). If you have done "exhaustive research", why don't you share it with the rest of us? You want to condemn the entire rest of the Sikh world to doubts? You said Sikhism is based on love. So do you love the rest of the Sangat to enlighten us?
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Unconditional love like haters of God being condemned to the pain of births and deaths? ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਤੀ ਤੇ ਸਾਕਤ ਮੂੜ ਨਰ ਕਾਚੇ ॥ Those who are not in love with the Lord are foolish and false - they are faithless cynics. ਤਿਨ ਕਉ ਜਨਮੁ ਮਰਣੁ ਅਤਿ ਭਾਰੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਵਿਸਟਾ ਮਰਿ ਮਰਿ ਪਾਚੇ ॥੨॥ They suffer the most extreme agonies of birth and death; they die over and over again, and they rot away in manure. ||2|| p169 So is rotting in manure a manifestation of unconditional love?
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I totally agree, "her scripture" condemns and punishes. For example: The sinners commit sinful deeds, and then they weep and wail. O Nanak, just as the churning stick churns the butter, so does the Righteous Judge of Dharma churn them. ||9|| Oops, that's Gurbani. p1425 ਸੁਤੜੇ ਅਸੰਖ ਮਾਇਆ ਝੂਠੀ ਕਾਰਣੇ ॥ Millions are asleep, in the false illusion of Maya. ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇ ਜਾਗੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਜਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਚਾਰਣੇ ॥੧੩॥ O Nanak, they alone are awake and aware, who chant the Naam with their tongues. ||13|| But why aren't all awakened? Why are only some? Doesn't God love them?
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Where do you get this? Some new-age 3HO pamphlet? When has homosexuality ever been promoted in Sikhism? From the time of Guru Nanak Dev ji? Only heterosexuality has been promoted. If "gays are not looked down" by you mean to say that men can have close personal friendships with other men, fine. But men have always been encouraged to get married. Gurbani talks of the love and union of a woman and a man. Never a man and a man. The books of Sikh history never talk about homosexual unions. Where are you getting this? OK, what is that supposed to mean, exactly? You make sweeping statements. If a love is unconditional, that means no conditions at all, whatsoever. Also all means all, right? ਜਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੇਵੇ ਆਪੁ ਗਣਾਇਦੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਫਿਟੁ ਫਿਟੁ ਮੁਹ ਫਿਕੇ ॥ One who, not serving the True Guru, praises himself, is filled with falsehood within. Cursed, cursed is his ugly face. p304. Does that sound like "unconditional love for all"? Sounds more like if you hate God and love yourself and Mammon, then you are cursed. ਵੈਰੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਰਵੈਰ ਨਾਲਿ ਧਰਮ ਨਿਆਇ ਪਚੰਦੇ ॥ Those who hate the One who has no hatred - according to the true justice of Dharma, they shall perish. ਜੋ ਜੋ ਸੰਤਿ ਸਰਾਪਿਆ ਸੇ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਭਵੰਦੇ ॥ Those who are cursed by the Saints will continue wandering aimlessly. p306
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Bro, stop calling him "Sadguru"! That is blasphemous. Do you call Ram Singh, Partap Singh, etc. (gurus of the namdharis), Gurinder Singh Dhillon (guru of the Radha Swamis) "Satguru"? Then why would you do so for Jaggi Vasudev? Just call him by his name. If some American cult leader started calling himself Christ John Smith, do you think Christians would start calling him "Christ" without a moment's hesitation?
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OK, and the Christians do do a lot of that, as in "the Devil made me do it." 1) But how do you square that with the simultaneous Christian emphasis on the "sin nature" of man. Is not that "sin nature" internal? 2) How do you feel about the portrayal of the 5 vices (lust, anger, greed, worldly attachment, and ego) as external forces afflicting the soul in Gurbani? ਅਵਰਿ ਪੰਚ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਜਨਾ ਕਿਉ ਰਾਖਉ ਘਰ ਬਾਰੁ ਮਨਾ ॥ There are five of them, but I am all alone. How can I protect my hearth and home, O my mind? ਮਾਰਹਿ ਲੂਟਹਿ ਨੀਤ ਨੀਤ ਕਿਸੁ ਆਗੈ ਕਰੀ ਪੁਕਾਰ ਜਨਾ ॥੧॥ They are beating and plundering me over and over again; unto whom can I complain? ||1|| p155, M1 When a man dies, the five are shown as leaving, as if they were external in the first place: ਢਾਹਿ ਮੜੋਲੀ ਲੂਟਿਆ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਸਾ ਧਨ ਪਕੜੀ ਏਕ ਜਨਾ ॥ In this way, the temple is being demolished; the body is being plundered, and the soul-bride, left all alone, is captured. ਜਮ ਡੰਡਾ ਗਲਿ ਸੰਗਲੁ ਪੜਿਆ ਭਾਗਿ ਗਏ ਸੇ ਪੰਚ ਜਨਾ ॥੩॥ Death strikes her down with his rod, the shackles are placed around her neck, and now the five have left. ||3|| Raag Gauri Guru Nanak Dev Also: ਕਬੀਰ ਹਰਨਾ ਦੂਬਲਾ ਇਹੁ ਹਰੀਆਰਾ ਤਾਲੁ ॥ Kabeer, the deer is weak, and the pool is lush with green vegetation. ਲਾਖ ਅਹੇਰੀ ਏਕੁ ਜੀਉ ਕੇਤਾ ਬੰਚਉ ਕਾਲੁ ॥੫੩॥ Thousands of hunters are chasing after the soul; how long can it escape death? ||53|| Salok Kabeer ji, p1367
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Hi, ChristianGirl. No, what the poster you're responding to ( @dallysingh101 ) said is not that King Henry VIII founded "Christianity" but rather "I mean even the founder of their religious sect of Christianity " (emphasis added) meaning that King Henry founded this (your) sect of Christianity, namely Anglicanism. I think you took the phase as "their sect (Christianity)" while he meant "their particular sect ... of the Christian religion"
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Have any references, bro? Also, wasn't the earliest part of the Bible (Torah) written before the Babylonian exile? Or does it merely refer to events prior, but it was written during or after the exile in Babylon?
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Well, the thing is no one is going around blowing out birthday candles, but it would be nice to just tell people that this isn't the actual Sikh way of life. This is just something made up by shopowners to sell cakes and stuff.
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Do they? Probably most do for their children. It would be strange to celebrate a full-grown adult's birthday. The point is simply that why would you build yourself up? We're told to think of ourselves as insignificant. Amritdhari Sikhs celebrating their own birthdays would be a farce. As in vegetarian? I don't see why not, as long as you're not sharing from the same plate with someone not following rehit.
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200 year old sikh build being demolished tonight!!
BhForce replied to puzzled's topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
This Taksali Singh denounces the Babas that demolished the Deori and the SPGC that allowed him to do so. He also says that it's the normal operating procedure of the SGPC to do something like this, then when the Sangat cries out, they "suspends" a manager or transfers him someplace to placate the Sangat. All lies. He also says the Babas hands should be smashed. Finally that every modification of a historical building should be published in the newspapers in advance. -
Why are you misleading him, bro? It's not like going to be in you're in charge of his amrit sanskar. "Guest Jas", in the normal case, the Punj Piyare will ask if you are married. If you aren't, they'll tell you to marry an amritdhari when you do get married. If you are married, they'll ask you where your wife is. The reason is quite simple: They know that married life is composed of both husband and wife, and you won't be able to live an amritdhari life without your wife. It seems that you have gotten far ahead of your wife in terms of Sikhism. Why did you leave her behind instead of taking her with you?
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They immigrated to India, you know like the goray that come to work in Bangalore.
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Opinion on Satguru? Satguru is essential to meeting God, no can meet God without Satguru: ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਓ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord. But if you're talking about that charlatan that calls himself "sadguru", that fool is no true Guru. Has God placed Himself within this fool? And also declared it openly? Has everyone who met this fool obtained liberation? Gurbani says the only one who is Satguru is the one who is God himself. Is this fool God?
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OK, these findings are extremely interesting. Do you have a link for your blog so that these findings may be verified? How could that be? Isn't the system computerized? Or are interviews only given to specific individuals that are approved by humans?
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You're saying it would be one side fighting according to the "rules" and the other subverting them in order to "win"?
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Right, that's where #4 and #5 come in. That there's someone else above the man. This always has to be emphasized. Men should understand that if they are being abusive, the woman can go to her father-in-law, other relatives, the community, or the Gurdwara. (Yeah, I know, ineffectual.) But still, it should ideally all be part of a system. Total male control with no escape vale is bad. Feminization is a problem, too.
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Hmm, OK. That's a subjective view. But maybe @Christiangirl52, you can try to say "in your Bani" instead of "in your Holy book". Anyways, what do you think about the substance of what she said (for us): 1. Man is the head of his home. 2. A wife must defer to him and obey. 3. Children must come below both parents and obey them. 4. But man is subject to God. 5. Therefore he cannot abuse his family.
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Yes. All 5 things you said. But men should heed the last 2, as well: Man is subject to God, and he can't abuse his family.
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Yes. All 5 things you said. But men should heed the last 2, as well: Man is subject to God, and he can't abuse his family.
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Bro, with respect, she's not one of us, why should she be obligated to follow our norms? I called out someone on here for not putting "ji" with Guru ji's name. But he was purporting to be a Sikh. It's like the bread they hand out at the end of a Christian service. For us, it's fine (I think) to call it a "wafer". We could even call it a "communion wafer" to be polite. And she did say "Holy book" instead of merely book. Thoughts?
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What did that old fool expect?