Ranjeet01

I think that this thread has been seriously derailed. I think the class issue deserves it's own thread.

Well they do say that the low and high have more in common with each other than the middle.

I personally think that most men should not consider getting married before 30.

Punjab is not that different these days. It has changed and not for the better. The main difference between a girl from West and one from Punjab is that girl from the west will show her cards a lot earlier whereas girl from Punjab is like a sleeper cell. They keep their intentions close to their chest and boom you won't know what hit you.

I remember a woman I worked with once who had a problem with her mother-in-law when she came to visit. Her mother-in-law started to re-arrange all the stuff in the kitchen moving things around and it got on her nerves. They say a man's home is his castle but the home is a woman's domain. It is personal in a way that it is not for a man. Every cushion, matching curtain is placed in a specific place. It's that nesting instinct. It becomes very territorial for them.

It's quite tough with a lot of men because keeping a keen eye can be energy draining so they go with a flow. Then there are the men who think that one should not get involved between women's squabbles. But men do need to put their foot down. But then they have to put up with the silent treatment and all of the passive aggressive behaviour. Open aggressive behaviour can be much easier to deal with.

Some buddian have never lived with their suss and still act the same. I think that in some cases that some women push their sons to get married and the second they do something in them triggers. Fear of losing control, jealousy, competition etc. There are some things that women instinctively understand between each other that us men are not supposed to know. Remember most of women's communication is covert. There is a lot of subtleties that most men are oblivious to.

Simple. It means don't put sex first before Guru or yourself.

The Canadian immigration is some of the biggest scams going. Immigration is big business. They suck in a lot of skilled immigrants through their points system who end up working as cab drivers and pizza deliverers because they cannot get a job in their skilled profession because they need "Canadian Experience".

Reality is Pappu could not find wife to live with his parents, that is why he went to Punjab. Your second point mainly benefits the mother. The fourth point you made is linked to my answer on your second point. That they should find a girl that is compatible for their son not for their own selfish reasons. Reality is sons are seen as a pension scheme by a lot of parents. In the olden days there was a code where the parents look after children and then the children look after the parents. But this is no longer the case.

Listening on the radio, I believe that was one of the reasons but I believe the other reason is they feel they have no connection to India.

Too costly I imagine.

I think our parent folk are going to have to buck up their ideas on marriage. Gone are the days where getting your son married in Punjab is somehow going to keep your son living with you. What purpose and reason is there any point with getting married to a girl from Punjab? There is none! Unless there is some economic catastrophe where multi generational households become the norm again I don't this situation changing. I think parents cheat their sons by getting them married for the wrong reasons. If it is grandkids they want do what Christiano Ronaldo has done and have a surrogate mother to have kids with and then have the grandmother look after them. I'm being flippant with the last remark by the way but Ronaldo showing an example here.

There are a segment of muslims that want to get away from other muslims. These are the first ones that move to the Sikh areas. They prefer living amongst Sikhs and others than their own. I think these types are very aware of what their community is like. They will publicly show some solidarity but privately admit something else. If you talk to these Muslims on an individual basis, they are very candid on their community.

It's not me you need to convince.

I don't think that the empire building nature of our people will go away entirely but that may change with the coming generations. However, there will need to be a fresh approach.

I think we do quite a lot. The question is whether Sarbat Da Bhalla should be a virtue-signalling excercise.

Yes that is correct. There is so much the Panth does but on this site we constantly focus on the negative. The Panth does so much good but we are not ones to brag about it. Just look at the examples after the Manchester bombings and the London terror attacks? How many gurdwarae opened their doors to people? After the Grenfell tower,who provided supplies for those people? Have you ever heard of SWAT? They help the homeless. My colleague's mother was a nurse and she used go into gurdwarae and tell people about diabetes when it became more prevalent. You need to open your eyes.

Sarbat da bhalla - depends on the context. If you are describing welfare for all. Maybe I have got this wrong but what the heck: Khalsa Aid, SOPW, Sikh Awareness Society, Basics of Sikhi, for starters. Then there is Pink Ladoo campaign, then there is the campaign to have free education for girls in Punjab that has been passed through. Harjap Bhangra normally interviews a whole host of people that do a lot of good. There was one lady (Aulukh I think) that raises awareness for autism. Mr Singh's in Birmingham arranged a charity hike in Snowdownia. There is a lot of things our people do, you just choose not to see. Question is the OP myopic?

It's going to have to stop somewhere. People need to make a stand. But the problem with community is that one family moves out, then another and another one. Eventually the remaining folk sees newcomers and say where have the old folk gone? The other problem you have the people who have left put their old houses on rent which means you lose the sense of community. This exacerbates the problem. I think you won't find a Sikh stronghold perse. You will see a spreadout cluster kind of evenly distributed. Our people have come to the point that we do not want to live on top of each other. That is why we integrate ourselves so well and don't ghettoise.

Well that is how you started with your opening post.

Yes shame on them. Can you do us a favour. Can you create a new thread so with all these shameful acts and leave this thread for Tommy Robinson. Thanks

Let's follow this logic : This is disgusting. How can South Korea even dare have a democracy or even a country when their politicians cannot behave themselves. How can they even run a country? How dare they develop their country to become well developed and prosperous.

Sikhs in my observations tend to prefer living more towards the suburbs rather than the inner cities. My dad had a couple of good friends in East Ham back in the 80's but they moved to West London. I got a cousin who's moved to South Woodford from Seven Kings. But what I am alluding to is the movement from the East Hams and the Ilfords towards the Chingfords and the Brentwoods and deeper Essex. The pattern seems to suggest Sikhs even living amongst racist goreh feel that their quality of life improves the further they are away from muslims.

Pakistanis generally let other communities do the heavy lifting. We as Sikhs are a "canary in coalmine" community. We are the types who do the heavy lifting which open the floodgates for others to swarm in. I watched a program on one of those satellite channels "London Live" I think and there was a program on the "the last whites of the east end" about the white flight into Essex. Most of those people leaving was due to the islamic immigration. What is interesting is (I don't know very much about the East London Sikh experience) is that there seems to be a similar pattern in migration. It seems that Sikhs prefer to live among racist whites than with Muslims. Just my observation.