Ranjeet01

Well Sikhs who move from traditional area into a more affluent area also adopt this behaviour. You get that with nouveau riche They think they are posh when all they are is just one generation away from pendu

Lo and behold she happens to be an editor of some Wedding Magazine.

If she is half-hindu, why don't she just get a pandit and marry in a mandir or a hotel.She can still go to India and buy the lengha and the jewellry to wear for the ceremony. She can even buy the matching outfit for the groom with a nice pink Turban.

It really does not have anything to do with humanity or equality. What it is really about is the Solipsism of the Bridezillas among our community. The selfishness and self-centredness of these types, who look down other Sikhs, think of themselves as too good to even go into Gurdwara. If they want to marry someone outside of Sikhi, go get a registry marriage. But no, they cannot get away from their photo opportunity and the attention-wh****ng because they want to show off wearing the latest lengha and all bling jewellry attire to make all their fellow female peers jealous.

The reason could be because the children will be raised Jewish anyway.

Take a look at Anila Dhami (@AnilaDhami): https://twitter.com/AnilaDhami?s=09 New petition called "Not in Nanak's Name"

Interestingly with Jews, the lineage goes through the mother. Which means that if a Father is a non - jew and the mother is a jew, the children follow the Jewish faith.

Or even convert a non-muslim male to marry them. It seems that highly educated Muslim female puts Islam first in her priority. A highly educated Sikh female does not.

It would be interesting to get some statistics to see how many highly educated academically superior Sikh women marry non-Sikh and if they do marry non-Sikh what the reasons are for it.

So the hypothesis is: - Educated Sikh girl cannot find educated Sikh guy of equal status and will not marry less educated Sikh male with less status. -Less educated Sikh male cannot find Sikh girl in home country therefore goes to Punjab to find girl where his status is higher. -This leaves lower pool of eligible Sikh males for the highly educated Sikh women. -Therefore highly educated Sikh female goes for highly educated non-Sikh male of equal or higher status. -Highly educated Muslim female all the above except that she still marries a Muslim male. The question is then why is it so different for both sets of females?

I think our culture puts people who are more "academically superior" on a pedestal. Education impacts males and females in different ways. An academically superior male can marry a less academic female but for an academic superior female it's harder to marry a less academic male as social status and hypergamy takes precedent.

No Jagsaw I got your point, and I agree that maybe there is an issue with education with perhaps a segment of the Amritdhari population but I find that using the word "most" or "almost" can generalise and builds unnecessary stereotypes.

I know of quite a few well educated Amritdhari couples that are professionals , so I am not sure at what extent the amritdhari population is uneducated. You are making them sound as if they are like the ultra - orthodox jews. I also know personally of a Sikh couple who are both in medicine, one is a GP and the other one is a surgeon. Of course, you will see more muslims in University getting educated as they move up the food chain. Ironically, the universities are also big recruiting ground for a lot of the radicalisation that takes place.

It's the same mentality you see with the women who marry prison convicts.

It's quite common for teenage girls and young women who are rebellious to go for Alpha Bad Boys. These are what these muslim males represent.

My theory is that a lot of Hindus think that Sikhs are there to protect and serve them. An eldest son is there to protect and serve their families so what better way to re-inforce that notion than to bring up your eldest son as a Sikh.

I find it quite strange that the India/Pakistan punjab border is one of the most fortified borders with thousands of troops. How do Pakistani militants manage to infiltrate, particularly with Gurdaspur being only 10 miles from the border?

I personally do not know how many Sikh girls have converted, there has been no particular statistics, a lot of information we receive is of the grapevine. However, there is far more awareness of grooming particularly in the mainstream media. I like to believe the vast vast majority of our girls for all their faults are smart enough not to be duped. In the last 30-40 years the traditional family has been attacked, particularly the role of the male. The welfare state has replaced the father in a lot of cases. Sikhs being more integrated in the mainstream society are more susceptible to the changes in wider society. Muslims being less integrated are to some degree are more insulated from these changes in wider society. This means the role of the male and father has been undermined in Sikh families whereas in Muslim families the role of the male is more dominant. What we have seen with the grooming/converting incidents is the consequence of the lack of masculine male influence. Patriarchy and masculinity does have positive benefits.

Have you ventured into a bar like this?

The Khatri/Arora/Ahluwalia are part of the trading classes. They mix up intermarriages between Sikhs and HIndus so they are kind used to this kind of thing. You will notice that the Bollywood Industry is by and large a Khatri dominated industry with the relevant Kapoors and Chopras and you will see the intermarriages with the Khans. With these types money and social mobility is more important than Sikhi.The fact that someone is educated is no guarantee that they will make sensible informed decisions based on common sense. The Punjabi expression "parrhe likeh unparr" comes to mind. I would also think that there being no strong father figure would have an impact.

I think Hari Singh Nalwa saw the writing on the wall and was trying to persuade Maharaj Ranjit Singh to give power to the Panj Pyare.

+1 One of things I have noticed with relatives from India is they largely avoid talking about anything surrounding 1984. However, I have noticed that when they get out of India you see pictures of Bhindrawale on their Facebook pages (these are the much younger relatives). It could mean two things, they were either completely ignorant and only by getting out of India did it dawn on them what really happened. Or the youngsters always known what had happened and suppressed a lot of angst and only expressed their true feelings once out of India. I prefer to think of the latter, Punjab has never forgotten and feelings of justice and self-determination have always been under the surface.

In 1947 we did not rule, the British did and they carved territory on the basis of numbers.

I have read 1984.