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I don't like any of the above mentioned groups, but at least they spoke in favor of Bhai Sahib. What has Badal done for Bhai Sahib. Locked him in jail and treated him like he was nothing. Yet you have supported Badal in the past. You say: quote Khalsa ji, badal govt is doing bad not to allow peaceful protest to take place. unquote Letting police officers that are drunk enter the presence of Guru ji and then throwing Bhai Sahib in a truck like he is a sack of onions is just bad? Very obvious to see you have politically aligned yourself with the Badal dictatorship. I agree Darshan Ragi should not have been allowed to speak. But when have you come out and said Badal should not be allowed to speak at Sikh religious functions? You don't say a word to say Badal should not be allowed. Yet Badal is killing the SIkh youth in various ways in punjab. Hypocritical speech you have and you are supporting Badal who is currently committing political genocide of the Sikhs.

Bhai Gurbakhsh Singh ji is not fasting for religious expression as many other religious people do. Bhai Sahib is protesting by not eating to bring awareness around the world on what is going on in Punjab, so called SIkh state. The Jathedar can go right to hell for insulting Bhai Sahib. The Jathedar is not even worthy to be the dust of Bhai Sahib's feet. The sangat needs to let Bhai Sahib make his decision on whether to keep the hunger strike going and the result would be shaheedi. Or stop the hunger strike and take on another means to fight for prisoners rights that have served their sentence already and are not being released for unlawful reasons. Bhai Sahib knows what ardas he as made before Waheguru and either way Waheguru will carry him across. Whatever he chooses Bhai Sahib will always be a Soorma in my eyes. Sikh sangat needs to understand why Bhai Sahib has done this and act on it. Can something be gained politically by the whole Khalsa Panth becoming one unit now? Can a political party be made to overthrow the Badal's and their puppets? Can other activities be put in place for a better future for the Khalsa Panth. A Soorma has once again given his whole life to the Khalsa Panth. So how does the Khalsa Panth want to go forward from here?

I would not club all Nihangs together. Buddha Dal has been corrupted from the inside for many decades now. Clearly this was seen when Santa Singh went against the Dharam Yudh Morcha, but many other Nihang Jathas joined in on the Dharam Yudh Morcha. The dynamics of the Nihangs is not so visible to the western world. There is much internal conflict and power struggle among them. Whoever issued a news release to help Monica Bedi was acting in bad faith and only had the intention to destroy the reputation of good Nihang Singhs. Tarna Dal is being blamed for issuing this report and Baba Nihal Singh ji is the Jathedar of Tarna Dal. Baba ji would never issue such statements. I don't even see Buddha Dal issuing such statements and they made many deals with Indira Gandhi to benefit them in the 1980s and late 70s. I believe Nihang Jathas should clearly state who are the Jathedars of each Dal and present this to rest of the Khalsa Panth on an official website. Much hate is directed at them for not communicating effectively with rest of the Khalsa Panth.

In my eyes you are a secular fanatic who does not know when to draw the line. But I don't go around making fun of you. Your previous post says a lot about you. It shows your are very insecure and need to beat others down to feel good inside.

When you provide me with what I need. I will answer your questions. It's that simple. Until then you and your henchmen can keep playing your games among yourselves. Just so it's clear that means I will not be responding to you or others that keep asking about the same question, until GPS (you) provide what I asked.

I know what I said, but i need you to tell me what Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is saying in that video regarding the Punj Pyare being beheaded. As soon as you tell me this you will have your answer. Very simple, don't make this difficult.

http://www.sikh24.com/2013/12/a-brief-biography-of-bhai-gurbakhsh-singh-khalsa-haryana/#.Up6ZMNJDvGA Bhai Gurbakhash Singh Khalsa is today’s hero of the Sikh freedom struggle who has energized and mobilized the freedom movement by demonstrating unprecedented determination and commitment in sacrificing himself for the release of Sikh freedom fighters who are still behind bars, even though their jail terms have been completed. Bhai Khalsa was born on December 12, 1965 at Thaska Ali (Distt. Kurukshetra, Haryana). His father’s name is Jathedar Ajit Singh and his mother is Bibi Mohinder Kaur. He has two brothers and one sister. He took primary and Gurmat education from Gurdwara Lakhnaur Sahib and also took Amrit from there. During his childhood, he used to take a keen interest in Gurmat due to the pro-Gurmat environment in his family. Whenever any religious congregation was held, he used to sing poems on the Chhote Sahibzade. Although he was a Gursikh from his childhood, he became dedicated completely to the Sikh nation after meeting Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and from then on he began to spread Sikhi. The then rulers did not tolerate his mission and he was arrested in 1982. However, he kept on fulfilling his duties. He was married to Bibi Jasbir Kaur in 1987 with Gur Maryada and they were blessed with a son who was named Jujhar Singh. In 1986 to 1987, when the Indian state imposed a ban on the wearing of Kesri (orange) turbans by Sikhs, he was apprehended for some time for raising his voice against the ban. In 1994, once again he was arrested for allegedly delivering a so-called “radical” lecture. Afterwards, he was taken by police when they framed him in 10 new false cases. He remained in Police remand for almost two months and his wife was also humiliated and harassed. In 2010, Bhai Khalsa was awarded with 10 years rigorous imprisonment and fined 25,000 Rupees. For a small duration he was kept in Ambala Jail but he spent most of the time in Modern Jail Chandigarh. In Modern Jail, he met Jathedar Jagtar Singh Hawara and Bhai Jagtar Singh Bheora. Bhai Khalsa has severely suffered from the dual standards of the Indian state and he knows very well which conditions are being faced by the jailed Sikhs. Notwithstanding the completion of jail terms, they are decaying in jails and the unjust government is not releasing them. Bhai Khalsa says that the main motive of his fast is to get the detained Sikhs released from their political prisons and following the vision of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale is his main duty. This article was originally published by Punjabi daily “Pehredar”.

I did not want to address this question till someone from the 'other side' would speak honestly and tell in their own words that Bhai Santokh Singh ji actually said Guru ji cut the head of a goat and made it look like Guru ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare. And brother Mokham Singh ji came out and spoke honestly. I knew you, n30 or jivan76 would never do it. For me to answer your question, I need you to tell me exactly what Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa is saying on the Punj Pyare event in the video I posted. Without this I cannot answer your question because I feel like I am discussing with a Muslim when I discuss with you. Not because you are a Muslim, but because you act like a Muslim who changes like the wind where ever it serves his purpose to prove others wrong. You may or may not be offended by this, but I am being completely honest with you here. I wish we could discuss like Mokham Singh ji and I are, but you are not like him.

Thank you brother for being honest unlike the rest of them here. Also one benti can you also tell brother Waljinder Singh ji as well what you just told me above. Maybe privately message him about this matter. He says i am lying about it.

Read the whole episode written by Kavi Santokh Singh ji. He says in the above part that people in the sangat thought Guru Gobind Singh ji cut the heads of the Punj Pyare, but in REALITY Guru ji cut the heads of a goat. Send a private message to one of the people who liked the post i quoted of yours above and tell them to be honest with you on what Kavi Santokh Singh ji said. Or go ask a Gursikh you trust that has knowledge and then see what he says. All of them know that Kavi Santokh Singh ji said Guru Sahib actually cut a goats head and made it look like he cut the Punj Pyare head. But they (these members) won't admit it here so send private messages and they will open up like a book to you.

Here is a video of Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa who speaks against Suraj Parkash Granth account on Punj Pyare being beheaded.

Reading Suraj Parkash Granth on the Punj Pyare there is a variation of the sakhi told around this huge event in the Khalsa Panth. One of the biggest difference is around what or who was beheaded in the tent when the Punj Sikhs stepped up to give their head. Many take Suraj Parkash Granth as the Gospel truth, but Gursikhs do not take this view of Suraj Parkash Granth. One of these Gusikhs was last seen defending Sri Akaal Takht Sahib against the Indian government and its forces of Indian army. Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa was not only a great warrior but also very learned in understanding Gurbani and Sikhi all together. The writer of Suraj Parkash Granth, Bhai Santokh Singh ji writes that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji asked for heads from the Guru's sangat. Once the first Sikh presented his head to Guru ji. Guru ji took the Sikh behind the tenet and instead of beheading the SIkh. Guru Gobind Singh Ji beheaded a goat and the Guru's sangat thought that the Guru had beheaded the Sikh. However Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa does not agree with this view and says that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji behead the Punj Pyare. In the Khalsa Panth many are venomously targeting others for not accepting Suraj Parkash Granth as the gospel truth. This does not just happen on the internet, but in person. I hold the view of Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa. Which is not everything in Suraj Parkash Granth is the gospel truth and the writer has made some mistakes. However many are scared that if we say that the writer made a mistake in one portion. Then all of Suraj Parkash Granth will be rejected by majority of the Khalsa Panth. I believe such individuals are paranoid and do not understand the depth of damage they are doing by supporting something as the gospel truth when it is not. On page 200 of Suraj Parkash Granth, Bhai Santokh Singh ji says that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji beheaded goats. It would be very foolish to say that all of this Granth is the gospel truth and it will be equally foolish to say that all of Suraj Parkash Granth is full of lies based on one mistake. I hold the view that Gursikhs have done a inspection of this Granth and they accepted what matched with Gurbani and rejected what was not in agreement with Gurbani Here is the link to the reference in Suraj Parkash Granth on page 200: http://www.ik13.net/PDFS/Rut3.pdf

Yes However in his play he has shown two paths to human's. One that leads to Waheguru which is prescribed in Gurbani and other is without Gurbani (Guru Sahib) in your life and the soul ends up without Waheguru. Yet he controls which one a person takes and where the person ends up. His mystery is so wonderful that he can make a person follow the the path without Gurbani and then in the last breath make them utter Gurbani and by his command the soul becomes jivan mukht. The more ardas we do in our lives the more we progress in Sikhi. The less ardas we do in our lives the more we say I can do it no problem. It is not hard to complete so and so task I have done it many times before. This increases ego and takes us away from Waheguru. When reading Gurbani many ardasian are done, but only a few hear them to realize how powerful single ardas is.

To correct you I said Waheguru only DOES good. .

Yes I agree with you as that is exactly what I said in the post you disagreed with. Here it is again: Then also in the very first post, which you disagree with, I said the following: Which means he is the doer of all and nothing is done by the human. My post was specifically focusing on explaining how forgiveness fits into the play of Waheguru as a poster was unsure and thought the ability to forgive leads to free will. But after reading my post it shows the ability to forgive is also controlled by Waheguru and not outside his Hukam.

Singh123456777, do you think an atheist denying Waheguru existence is bad?

Now I know why Guru Sahib cleaned Sri Chand feet with his beard. I do ardas, one day Guru Sahib does the same for you, who twist Guru Sahib teaching so much. Added after: For those who have a hard time understanding English, poster n30, the above is not a compliment. it's said for you to realize how you are just hurting your own soul like Sri Chand was. I did not get effected by what you said.

I would like to stress the word tree, tree and tree. A Christian would be offended if you said that picture represented a Christmas tree. They have a very specific tree that is there Christmas tree. I don't know about you, but I am done discussing this topic. You can stick to your view and I will stick to what I have been told by elders in the Sikh community. I have said my peace and i believe you have done the same.

Waheguru only does good. Humans do bad so they ask forgiveness. If forgiveness is not asked then a person is in ego and is displaying that he can do as he wishes (I have free will). Waheguru gives a Hukam for the human to ask for forgiveness. Humans are fallible and Waheguru is not. Waheguru demostrates to souls what happens when Gur Parsad is not followed. Then Waheguru himself makes the person forgive and gives him the correct path to walk on. Everything is in his Hukam and nothing is outside. Saying free will does exist is saying that a human (creation) is capable of living without Waheguru. Not even the atheist are without Waheguru. Waheguru himself has made the atheist forget about him, but Waheguru himself will join the atheist to him as he commands. Lastly, no one has to feel sorry for anything. Waheguru commands the person either way and the play takes place. Forgiveness is part of the play willed by Waheguru. Those who understand this will be thankful for Waheguru running this play and their soul can unite with Waheguru. Understanding only comes after he wills. Otherwise complete darkness is only seen.

All i see is Kirpans in that photo. There is no Christmas tree. Here is a photo of a Christmas tree. Do you see the difference. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OIBgqzyVuYQ/STfzNZYDfPI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/98-B9EfwZGY/s200/christmas+tree.jpg

endorsing a christmas tree and then telling others not to celebrate Holi is a double standard. Gurbani is clear on what we should celebrate and that is what Guru Sahib has told us. Yet you want to please others by saying nothing is wrong with putting up a christmas tree. Is that clear enough for you?

I don't even know how to respond here. Not because I don't have a response, but due to how naive reasoning you utilize. Next you will say so and so Gursikh ate a human because of his high level and he did not see that human as human, but as something else.

Perfect, you have realized that puting up a Christmas tree and arguing with people to stop celebrating Holi is a hypocritical thing to do. Now it's on you to follow your own advice or not. Your agenda is to please others even at the cost of going against Gurbani teachinges

Just apology for your mistake and move on. Instead you try to justify the direct disrespect you wrote against Gurbani. Obviously other posters like GPS and Singh559 know you made a terrible mistake by saying what you did, but they are reluctant to say anything due to their agendas. Especially, GPS who welcomed you back right after you wrote the following: Jonny101 views satkar of Gurbani higher and GPS gives political power more importance.

So you teach against Hindu religious festivals, but celebrate Christian religious festivals. Okay now I understand where you stand. I won't label you like you just did to me. I won't drop down to your level. What can i say about your opinion other than disagree with such hatred that you venomously spit. I have not used the word sanatan Sikh once, but okay whatever floats your boat. Again the rest is your opinion and if I wanted to gather others opinions I have received support from other posters. If you want to keep track of how many people like you or do not like you then keep going down that road. All i am looking for is my Guru's approval. I knew before I signed up on this forum that when a person cannot discuss they resort to name calling and slandering. So if your thinking i will leave after your venomous attack, think again. Come up with another plan