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  1. Haha, I'm saying panENtheistic, not pantheistic. PanENtheism means Waheguru is the Universe, but is also greater than it. This is what Sikhi (I believe) says about Waheguru, it is the Universe, it is the Hukam, the law, but it is above this form. It is part of the Hukam. I'm not going to say Waheguru communicated with Guru Nanak Dev Ji to spread Sikhi, rather the Hukam was for Guru Nanak Dev Ji to spread Sikhi. Guru Nanak Dev Ji took it upon themselves to spread the truth in the form of Sikhi. I don't think Waheguru "gave" Japji Sahib to Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Rather, I think Japji Sahib comes from sach khand, a state where Guru Nanak Dev Ji was one with Waheguru. So it is divinely inspired, but I don't think Waheguru literally wrote it (but everything is Waheguru, so technically, Waheguru did do it). I reject the idea of prophets, I don't think Waheguru shoots down prophets and messengers to Earth like a post man. Waheguru will enlighten whoever needs to be enlightened. Karmi apo apni kai nerhe kai door - our actions are own, some are drawn closer, some go further away (according to their actions). If someone attempts to align with Waheguru, they will be enlightened. Whether the Universe is a living being? Well at one point, the Universe became conscious of itself. When it spawned us humans, it became aware of itself. We are not separate from creation. Waheguru is not separate from us. Perhaps Waheguru wanted beings to be aware of themselves. Sach khand are those people who realise Waheguru. I agree with you, bani does say there is no difference between Waheguru and the devotee.
  2. Which is why I suggested the word panenthiestic, where Waheguru is the Universe, but beyond it as well. This is just my interpretation. Thank you for not attacking me or calling me a nastik or RSS agent, I've had some people start to attack me for sharing ideas. I disagree with Waheguru "communicating", my idea is not of this man or entity who communicates with people. Sure, Waheguru is pervading within all of us right now, everywhere. We can form that connection with this singular force. We can experience Waheguru, the awesome enlightener. Does that mean he sits there talking to people and comes up with plans and ideas for them? I mean I doubt Waheguru would behave anything like a human, talking and thinking. Bani tells us that Waheguru is beyond our understanding, so It is nothing like a human. It is not limited by a brain or a body to be able to "think" and react to stimuli. Sach khand is not this special place where the "formless" One resides. By definition, the formless One cannot be restricted by residing in a specific place. This means that sach khand must be everywhere Waheguru is. So sach khand can be reached by us anywhere. Sach khand is the state of being when we become one with our creator. When we lose the power of maya, the duality and begin to experience life through the One. Waheguru is everything, the bacteria, the ant, the human and the elephant or just part of the play. Waheguru is the director, but It is the actor as well.
  3. Waheguru is not a human. How can it "think"? How can the all pervading One, how can the force in the bacteria, to the great elephant, the force driving the sun, the orbits of the planets, how can that One be anything like a human? How is it possible for us to understand how it works, how it acts? Panenthiestic is a better word to describe the concept of Waheguru. Waheguru is the Universe, it drives it. But Waheguru is beyond the Universe, it is above this manifestation. Everything is simply a "manifestation" of that One. When these things are destroyed, they simply return to the One. ਲੋਗਾ ਭਰਮਿ ਨ ਭੂਲਹੁ ਭਾਈ ॥ Logaa Bharam N Bhoolahu Bhaaee || O people, O Siblings, do not wander deluded by doubt. ਖਾਲਿਕੁ ਖਲਕ ਖਲਕ ਮਹਿ ਖਾਲਿਕੁ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਸ੍ਰਬ ਠਾਂਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Khaalik Khalak Khalak Mehi Khaalik Poor Rehiou Srab Thaanee ||1|| Rehaao || The Creation is in the Creator, the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||
  4. Fair enough, but compared to the actual problems killing Sikhi, "no parchar, not following SGGS, drugs, alcohol", it is an incredibly small problem. If we're talking about pronunciation and Sikh terms, I'd like our parcharks and fellow Sikhs to pronounce Sikh properly. I'd like us to use our own terminology. I'd like more accurate English translations, than the Abrahmic and Vedic influenced translations we have. My point was that there are no "Sikh" names. The only name given from Guru Ji was Singh and Kaur. I do have a problem with people getting westernised names for their Punjabi names. Like Harjot calling themselves Harry. Being worried about people laughing or changing your name points to insecurites about your culture. This again is a sign of a bigger problem. People not knowing anything about Sikhi. If you don't know about Sikhi, if you dont understand your root, then obviously you will want to fit into your wider society and blend in. If you have that strength from Sikhi, you will stand out in the world. Even if you have a different name, you will be secure about yourself.
  5. Completely agree. It is a disservice to SGGS when we just get people to parrot the words, when we don't share it with others. A Sikh's root is SGGS. Without the Guru, what are we?
  6. I disagree with some of the points made in this video. The issues "killing" Sikhi are far deeper and serious than these "problems". Sikh names. What is a Sikh name? Is Ishar, Gobind, Ram, Krishan, Kiran, Deep, Inder, along with many other formulaic names, Sikh names? Our Gurus had names from other traditions, Ram (the sovereign), Gobind (master of the Universe), Arjun (pure) all these names have roots in Sanskrit, Hindu traditions. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's sons, two had Punjabi names Ajit (victorious, unbeaten) and Jujhar (warrior). While the other Sahibzade had Persian names Zorawar (mighty, brave) and Fateh (victory). Are these "Sikh" names? How about Iqbal Singh? There are SIkh Iqbals, but you'll find more Muslim Iqbals. The "Sikh" names Jarnail and Karnail, they come from French words for general and colonel. They came with French soldiers who came to Punjab to fight in Maharaja Ranjit Singh's army. Are these valid "Sikh" names? Obviously there are some names which have a Sikh root. Any name with "Gur" can be said to be name inspired by Sikhi. There is a subset of authentic "Sikh" names, meaning Punjabi names that popped up in the genesis of Sikhi that relate to concepts in Sikhi. For example, any name with the prefix “Gur” (Gurbaksh, Gurpreet) relates to Guru. Obviously, for the vast majority of Sikhs, not everyone used these names. One notable Sikh that had such a name didn’t even go by it; Gurbaksh Singh being colloquially known as “Banda Singh Bahadur”. Some Muslims chose to change their names when they took Amrit like Ajmer Singh, but that was optional and done out of their own will. There are two "Sikh" names that every Sikh should use. Singh and Kaur are the only names mandated by our Guru, as long as a Sikh uses these names, what does it matter what their first name is? You can have an Arabic name like Kabir (great One) and be called Kabir Singh. You can have a Sanskrit name like Simran (rememberance) and be called Simran Kaur. Never heard anyone say the story of Chotte Sahibzade is scary. Why was the Chotte Sahibzade movie so successful? Many children went to watch the movie. Also, we don't mourn deaths. We celebrate death, we celebrate shaheedi. The shaheedis are celebrated in Punjab with fun fairs. It is not a sad thing that these brave souls did such inspiring things. Yes, we should remember our shaheeds. At Christmas, remind the children of the Sahibzade, give them a gift (if you give gifts for Christmas) but remind them of our Guru's sacrifice. The fact that some people don't remember our shaheeds points to a much bigger problem than "they will be scared". Sikhs don't know their own history. Many don't know how the sahibzade were Shaheed, many don't know why they were shaheed. Many don't even know HOW they were able to do the things they did. Lack of parchar among Sikhs, how many times is Kirtan just sung in our Gurdwaras without translations or a katha on the words? How much discussion happens in our Gurdwaras?
  7. When was Punjabi ever the same as being a Sikh? This mentality is what hampers the growth of Sikhi, we think "Punjabi" rather than "the world". There have been Sikhs from across the world since the Gurus. Look at Guru Nanak Dev Ji, he didn't just walk around Punjab, enlightening Punjabis. He travelled the world, spreading Sikhi. Only 1 or 2 of the panj pyare was a Punjabi, the rest were from Orissa, Gujrat, Assam. There would have been a lot of variation in their builds and appearances. Sikhi has no race or ethnicity. Sikhi is just Sikhi, it doesn't have an appearance or a height. All Sikhs eventually have the same identity, the image of Guru Ji, regardless of their height or build.
  8. Well we best spend money and effort on doing parchar in India, rather than waste money on <banned word filter activated> projects. Like spending 2.5 million rupees on painting all the buildings at Anandpur Sahib white. What a waste of money, not only are we destroying our history, defacing historic buildings, but that money could be used for something to benefit the panth. Think of the drug deaddiction centres, schools, parchaar, seva of poor Sikhs that could be done with that money.
  9. I don't understand, was this person a Sikh (no dastar) or was he a non-Sikh? I can understand where the Singh is coming from. At my local Gurdwara, people just use the car park to go to the shops. The car park is property of the Gurdwara, for people who want to go to the Gurdwara. It is right that the sangat stops people who aren't going to the Gurdwara from parking there, it just blocks up spaces. If this is the case, then the Singh could have phrased his reasoning in a better way. If they were preventing a non-Sikh going to the Gurdwara, then that is not how a Sikh should act.
  10. Are you going to get drunk off it? If not, then its fine. If you're having alcohol to get drunk, then you should stay away from it.
  11. What are you going on about? Who said you will become a pig for helping someone? I doubt Guru Nanak Dev Ji became a pig when he helped Sajan Thag. Guru Ji could have let Sajan Thag carry on killing and being a slave to his ego. But Guru Ji went and helped him, he did sangat of the lowly people and helped to bring them up. He helped them to realise that Waheguru was within them. Someone becomes a pig when they focus on themselves. When they are greedy and focus on their own ego. That is when the mind is a pig. How do you stop being a pig? You destroy your ego and see the light of Waheguru in everything. You don't see drug dealers, you don't see enemy soldiers. Like Bhai Kanaiya Ji, you serve those who need help.
  12. It can be hard for a parent. Your parents are Christian, I don't know how religious they are, but they might think that Chrisitanity is the only way that is right. As long as you feel Sikhi is best way for you, then it doesn't matter what other people think. You are at a young age, at this age we do go through phases. So, they might assume that you are just exploring and will lose interest. I'm not saying that you will lose interest, you may be at peace with Sikhi and find that it helps you to realise Waheguru. But your parents might assume that you will grow out of it. You are already walking the Gurus path, you seem to be growing in your Sikhi already. I guess the best thing you can do to show your parents how much Sikhi means to you, is to put it into practice. Start helping out with charities, work to fight your 5 thieves, contemplate upon Waheguru.
  13. Stop feeling guilty about it. Thats a massive obstacle in your path. We all fall off the path, this is life. This is the journey of a Sikh. We are children of the Guru, we will all fall, we'll hurt ourselves, we'll make mistakes. But we should learn from them, we will become stronger and better people. ਸੁਤੁ ਅਪਰਾਧ ਕਰਤ ਹੈ ਜੇਤੇ ॥ Suth Aparaadhh Karath Hai Jaethae || The son may commit many mistakes, ਜਨਨੀ ਚੀਤਿ ਨ ਰਾਖਸਿ ਤੇਤੇ ॥੧॥ Jananee Cheeth N Raakhas Thaethae ||1|| His mother does not hold them against him in her mind. ||1|| ਰਾਮਈਆ ਹਉ ਬਾਰਿਕੁ ਤੇਰਾ ॥ Raameeaa Ho Baarik Thaeraa || Waheguru, I am Your child. ਕਾਹੇ ਨ ਖੰਡਸਿ ਅਵਗਨੁ ਮੇਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Kaahae N Khanddas Avagan Maeraa ||1|| Rehaao || Why not destroy my mistakes and shortcomings? ||1||Pause|| ਜੇ ਅਤਿ ਕ੍ਰੋਪ ਕਰੇ ਕਰਿ ਧਾਇਆ ॥ Jae Ath Krop Karae Kar Dhhaaeiaa || If the son, in anger, begins to hit his mother. ਤਾ ਭੀ ਚੀਤਿ ਨ ਰਾਖਸਿ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੨॥ Thaa Bhee Cheeth N Raakhas Maaeiaa ||2|| Even then, his mother does not hold it against him in her mind. ||2|| ਚਿੰਤ ਭਵਨਿ ਮਨੁ ਪਰਿਓ ਹਮਾਰਾ ॥ Chinth Bhavan Man Pariou Hamaaraa || My mind has fallen into the whirlpool of anxiety. ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰਾ ॥੩॥ Naam Binaa Kaisae Outharas Paaraa ||3|| Without the Naam, how can I cross over to the other side? ||3|| ਦੇਹਿ ਬਿਮਲ ਮਤਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਰੀਰਾ ॥ Dhaehi Bimal Math Sadhaa Sareeraa || Please, bless my body with pure and lasting understanding, ਸਹਜਿ ਸਹਜਿ ਗੁਨ ਰਵੈ ਕਬੀਰਾ ॥੪॥੩॥੧੨॥ Sehaj Sehaj Gun Ravai Kabeeraa ||4||3||12|| In peace, slowly and steadily, Kabeer contemplates upon the Praises of Waheguru. ||4||3||12|| You need to change your mindset. It seems like you are almost forcing yourself to do bani. Don't force yourself to do it. Do it out of love, when you really want to do some bani. Don't do a lot at once. Just do mool mantar or some simran. You don't have to do the whole thing. Why not listen to some kirtan? ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਬਿਲੋਵਨਾ ਬਿਲੋਵਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ ॥ Har Kaa Bilovanaa Bilovahu Maerae Bhaaee || Churn the churn of Waheguru, my Siblings. ਸਹਜਿ ਬਿਲੋਵਹੁ ਜੈਸੇ ਤਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Sehaj Bilovahu Jaisae Thath N Jaaee ||1|| Rehaao || Churn it slowly and steadily, so that the essence, the butter, may not be lost. ||1||Pause|| Sehaj, slowly and steadily. Don't force yourself to do it at once, make sure you do something, but don't try to go really fast. This shabad is using the metaphor of making butter from milk. If you mix the milk too fast, you will lost the butter. Do you do seva? Get involved with helping people. Interact with others and put Sikhi into practice. You should go to a doctor, just to make sure. Why does this happen to you? Why can't you read bani? Does it happen with anything else? Can you read other things?
  14. Yeah, I don't think thats a Sikh viewpoint. Perhaps they are silently calling out for help, but we are just ignoring them. The crops in Punjab have failed this year, some farmers are just sitting in the market and no one is buying their produce, you have children from Sikh families not being able to go to school, they walk the streets doing drugs, you have families that were devastated by 1984 and the subsequent genocide. You have Sikh farmers killing themselves because they are in debt or their crops have failed. You have Sikhs being converting to Chrisitianity, because that House of Guru Nanak, that house that once empancipated the common people is now ignoring its own people. Its easy for us Sikhs in the west or the rich ones in India to ignore their plight, to say "oh, they are drug users and prostitues, they aren't asking for help". What do you think our Gurus would do? Would they have ignored the people's suffering? Did the sadhus and homeless people ask Guru Nanak Dev Ji to set up a langar? Or did Guru Ji see people who needed food and shared what he had with them? We should sort our own people out first. Even our own charities don't help Sikhs. Who is helping the Sikhlighar Sikhs? They don't even have homes to live in, they want people to do Sikhi parchar, they are asking for it. Why is no one helping them? We haven't even been able to do anything for those who survived the pogroms of 1984. Why have we ignored our own people? Its good that we help other communities, thats what we should be doing. But shouldn't we be supporting Sikhs as well?
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