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Waljinder Veerji I think what Bhaiji is failling to explain is that the avastha the video mentions are reached some days and not others depending on your own physical energy's on any particular day. When I say energy's, I mean ALL. Mental state after a hard day aswel as body condition. Sometimes its optimum sometimes not. The whole argument reeks of beadbi, a little decorum and Satkar wouldnt go amiss Veero. Were all learning, travelling using the same A-Z, some are further down the road than others. Just maintain the love of eachother please...... Bhul chuk maaf

Question was smallest chapter/shabd/tuk.........not simplest to describe or define. Incomparable yes.........whats your point????

Translation of Letter by Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara Vaaheguroo Jee Kaa Khalsa! Vaaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh! As the Sangat is aware, Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa has undertaken an indefinite hunger strike since November 14 at Gurduara Amb Sahib, Mohali for the release of those Sikh youth who remain unjustly imprisoned. Five Singhs; Bhai Lal Singh Akaalgarh (Nabha Jail), Bhai Shamsher Singh, Bhai Lakhwinder Singh, Bhai Gurmeet Singh (all in Bural Jail), and Bhai Gurdeep Singh Khaira (Karnatka Jail) all remain behind bars even though they have completed their sentences pronounced by the courts. Despite being on hunger strike for the past two weeks, neither the government nor the Hindi media has acknowledged Bhai Sahibs protest or demands. While various Punjabi and Panthic media outlets have covered the story, the government has not even taken notice. On one hand, long grandiose speeches are made that India is a peace-loving country. Those who feel forced to resort to armed struggle in order to defend their rights are encouraged to engage in non-violent struggle instead. On the other hand however, it has been proven time and time again that those engaging in non-violent resistance will be consistently ignored. Bhai Gurbaksh Singhs case is yet further evidence of this. Are the government and mainstream media not endorsing the belief that the only way to send a message through to the deaf ears of the state is through armed struggle? It is undeniable that if instead of a hunger strike Bhai Gurbaksh Singh had set off an explosion, the government, the media, and other Brahmanical forces would have been crying themselves hoarse until now. Now, when one Singh of the Guru has remained hungry for the past two weeks to have his just demands heard, what message is the conspiratorial silence of these institutions sending? This intentional silence, this state-sponsored message should be clearly understood that We dont care about non-violent protest and hunger strikes, we only hear the sound of bullets and explosions. Sending this message, how can they then hope for peace? Whatever happens Khalsa Jee, the Sikh Nation should not remain silent. In each and every village and city, a movement to support Bhai Gurbaksh Singhs struggle should be organized. What motive does the government have behind not releasing those Singhs who have already spent more time in prison than they were sentenced to? Our brother has taken a great step in our national struggle, and it is our responsibility to organize and mobilize a strong movement until the demands of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh are met. All Panthic jathebandis must unite and come up with a course of action to secure the release of those Singhs who have already completed their sentences. Rallies and protest marches should be organized everywhere so that this deaf government can hear our voice and it can be carried around the world. If the state continues to ignore our demands, then we will come up with the next phase of action. Servant of the Guru-Panth, Jagtar Singh Hawara Jail No. 4 Tihar Jail, New Delhi

Four days, and not a single response......... To all keyboard warriors of sIKH sANGAT dot com. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I notice your post has been edited before I read it....but even still, huh??Dim question time...........is his jaat relevant???

Read the entire conversation......! Spent too long on answering ill-thought comments. They're pretty easy to understand, especially Garch Bhaiji. So going to get back to the topic at the head of the screen. Bhul chuk maaf

WAHEGURU

If someone does not know who I am, then they have no business assuming without asking.How was I blowing my one trumpet (I don't actually own one, so clearly you don't know me)? Quote my trumpet blowing please. If I was putting shashi kant down as you suggest I could go further and state alsorts but I didn't because that was not my intention. This is from my post "For the record I admire his stance and am grateful for it." So you either didn't or couldn't read it properly. Pretty lame reason for your attack, says more about you then you realise.......

Ek oankar

VeerjiWith all due respect I was answering the comments denigrating the leadership of the Sikh Quom who have faced the onslaught of hindutva fanatical forces for thirty years, not thirty hours. For the record I admire his stance and an grateful for it. Again with all due respect you have absolutely NO IDEA who I am or what I have or have yet to do in terms if our sanji sangharash. Please contextualise mentally what and why comments are made before ASSUMING to judge others. Bhul chuk di khema What else is left to say???

Wait till shashi kant gets harassed, sees his family and friends harassed and then slowly killed one by one...........ONLY THEN COMPARE HIM TO OUR BROTHERS WHO STILL TRY AND LEAD. WAHEGURU

Fancy banana http://www.unp.me/f15/orginal-letter-wriiten-by-harchand-singh-longowal-in-1984-a-80776/

GPS Bhaiji Agree veerji, with one caveat. Longowal wrote to Indira and asked for tanks...."bhindranwale will run like a coward when he sees them".... Thing is longowal and tohra were stupid and thought that indira was helping them, so when tanks came they assumed nothing. But when they see what the delhi plan was......they realised that they too were fools. Eventually they realised they're mistakes and treachery. BUT BADAL HAS NOT AND WILL NOT REALISE THE ULTIMATE TRUTH........SAJJHA BUGHAT NI HI PAINI HAI.

Username1 "It's really sad people have publish books which make strong counter arguments on other religion and many muslim writers have written tons of books slandering sikhi, the gurus etc. only to later make themselves out to be the most tolerant people in the world. The saddest part is people can't speak the truth about islams entire fabrication" Bit contradictive really. The words : pot kettle and black come to mind... I say this not to be facetious, but to allow you the opportunity to realise that we all make mistakes, even when pointing out someone else's. Like, no doubt I have just done......doh!!!!! Bhul chuk maaf

Too long a sacrifice Can make a stone of the heart. O when will it suffice ?. . . Was it needless death after all ? - W. B. Yeats These words of homage for the Irish patriots may be applied with equal justice to the long string of Punjabi martyrs before and since Partition. There is something in the very chemistry of the Punjabi blood which makes it so eager to be shed for a cause, and sometimes even without one. Only one Indian dies for the liberation of Goa and he, for sure, is a Punjabi - S. Karnail Singh of Issru. And who can count the number of Punjabi's who died for the freedom of India? And even after Partition the number of Punjabis who have willingly embraced tribulation and death is legion. how many were sent to jail for agitating against the imposition of the infamous Emergency when the rest of Indians had been browbeaten into silence and acquiescence ? The record of the Punjabi Suba Movement and the Anti - SYL Canal Movement constitutes some of the most tumultuous pages of our history. Nineteen eighty-four was a watershed. The post - 1984 events, however, cannot be dispassionately studied and evaluated by anybody at present. S. Darshan Singh Pheruman (1883-1969) was a staunch Sikh and a staunch nationalist. Ever since he came of age he actively participated in every notable agitation for the liberation of the country and the Panth. To start with, he actively participated in the Akali movement for the liberation of the gurdwaras (1921-25). He was arrested and imprisoned for a year in connection with the Keys Morcha. He courted imprisonment again by leading a jatha in the Jaito Morcha. After his release he emigrated to Malaysia in 1929, but there too he continued to work for India's independence. He was arrested and imprisoned. In the prison he went on his first hunger strike in protest against being denied a kachhehra . The strike went on for 21 days, that is, till his demand was conceded. After returning from Malaysia Sardar Pheruman joined the Civil Disobedience Movement and was sentenced to imprisonment thrice. He took part in the Kisan Movement in 1930. Later, he participated in the Quit India Movement and was arrested and jailed again and again. By 1945, when he was finally released by the Government he had spent as many as 15 years of his life in Colonial prisons. Like the distinguished Sikh leaders of yore -- such as Baba Kharak Singh and Master Tara Singh -- he made no distinction between the Akali and the Congress Parties. Pandit Nehru was arrested in Jaito Morcha and Mahatma Gandhi described the success of the Gurdwara Agitation as the first victory in the battle for India's independence. Sardar Pheruman remained a member of the SGPC for a number of years and for two terms he was elected its General Secretary. He was also a member of the Rajya Sabha from 1951 to 1964. Sardar Pheruman was not only a firm and true Sikh as well as a nationalist to the core, but was also sensitively alive to the post-independence deterioration of moral, political, and religious standards. This sensitiveness compelled him to leave the Congress in 1959. He was no less disillusioned and disgusted by new crop of thick-headed, ignorant, uneducated, and selfish "Sants"--Fateh Singh, Chanan Singh et al -- who with their pusillanimity had made the virile Sikh community a laughing stock of the world. Sant Fateh Singh went on a fast unto death twice in 196 and 196 and, as had been predicted by one and all, survived each time, with a vengeance. To add insults to injury, before starting his second fast he got constructed two havankunds projecting out of the third floor of the Holy Akal Takhat in one of which he was to burn himself to death on the fifteenth day of his fast. But, as even a most naive person could have predicted, the havankunds remained unused. But long after the farcical drama of the fast his havankunds was kept intact, of course despite the loud and angry protests of people like Sirdar Kapoor Singh who described it as a monstrosity and an insult to all the Sikhs. I personally remember that the havankunds bore the following (or something like the following) words in Punjabi in bold characters: Is than te Sant Fateh Singh ji ne agnibhaint hona si. Sant Fateh Singh's fast was not unto his death, but it certainly led to the death of Sardar Pheruman. The question of merger of Chandigarh in Punjab, for which Sant Fateh Singh had undertaken his fast, was still hanging fire. Some vague assurances from Mrs. Indira Gandhi communicated to him through S. Hukam Singh had provided him the all-too-well-anticipated escape route to save his precious life ( for, maybe, yet another fast unto death), completely forgetting his ardas and pledge before Guru Granth Sahib. Sardar Pheruman's fast unto death was, at long last, the real thing. Ostensibly Chandigarh as also the control of Bhakra -Nangal were also the issues mentioned by him, but if one examines all the evidence minutely one feels convinced that primarily he died in protest against the gross perfidy of the Akalis headed by Sant Fateh Singh who enjoyed all the privileges which an Akali Government could grant. As Sardar Pheruman said again and again, he had decided to immolate himself in order to redeem the honour of the Panth which had been brought down by the fraudulent showmanship of its leaders. His sacrifice was to be a practical demonstration of what a true and humble Sikh could do. When he launched his fast on Aug 15, 1969, leaders like Jiwan Singh Umranangal and Sant Fateh Singh decried his "stuntmanship" wrongly thinking that he was also of their ilk. He was put first in Amritsar Jail and then shifted to the hospital where he successfully resisted being injected or force-fed. As per her old practice Mrs. Indira Gandhi also sent him messages of promise to reconsider the Chandigarh and other issues. A shamefaced and confused Sant Fateh Singh also arrived in propria persona a day or two before his death, obviously to persuade him to break his pledge and fast like he himself had done twice. Sardar Pheruman expired on Oct. 27, 1969 on the 74th day of his fast. All through his fast he remained either reciting or listening to Gurbani, particularly the Sukhmani Sahib. Here is an excerpt from his testament which was published in several newspapers on Oct 28, 1969: "For the last half a century I have worked through sufferings and tribulations for the freedom of my country and for ensuring ever increasing ascendance and expansion of the Panth. The country is now free but the Panth is still in bondage. In the country corruption and moral degradation have vastly increased. The management of the Sikh Gurdwaras and the conduct of Sikh politics have fallen into the hands of hypocrites, styling themselves pious menand sants and those who did not wish the Panth well. The doctrines of the Sikh religion, the traditions of the Sikh religion, the traditions of the Khalsa, the historical splendour of the Sikh Nation had been thus trampled under the feet of these undesirable persons. Those who had played up the drama of undertaking solemn vows before the Akal Takhat to immolate themselves have, by taking recourse to lies and cowardice, captured the decision-making centres of power . . . The traitors of the Panth and the pious frands, called sants, have successfully hatched an ugly conspiracy to eliminate every vestige of the wholesome influence of Sikh religion from Sikh politics with the purpose of making Sikh people ..... slaves of others ..... This grave sin can be washed away only through a genuine and pure martyrdom. The ugly and audacious memorials which Sant Fateh Singh has got constructed, as rivals of the holy Akal Takhat, are calling loudly for genuine sacrifices from the Singhs ..... To achieve this end, I am going to lay down my life." Thus Sardar Pheruman's martyrdom, like Christ's was expiatory. He died to atone for the egregious sins of others, namely, the so-called Sants and leaders of the Sikhs. But has his supreme self-sacrifice done any appreciable good to the quality of subsequent Akali leaders? DR. TAJINDAR SINGH 27, New Guru Tegh Bahadur Nagar, Jalandhar City. http://www.esikhs.com/articles/darshan_singh.htm

Jaspreeti You don't have to respond to anyone. You are your own man. With your own views and opinions. Your own ability to discern fact from fiction. You. So the fact that you are an individual SHOULD allow you some empathy with other humans and their behavioural patterns and traits. Surely Sikhi teaches us this. However, instead of using this to measure other people, you lump singular individuals into a group of "HENCHMEN" . That is a description which I find utterly disrespectful. You are someone who renders faith in the intelligence of man meaningless. With spiritual maturity comes Satkaar of each other. So for the timebeing i would rather prefer you not to respond to anything I write in ANY thread. I shall do likewise......... Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Jo Bole So Nihal...........

Waheguru Call me a bit dim, but, why are WE sharpening OUR shastr's??? I am not, btw. The WE and OUR, are Royal. Bhul chuk di khema

Waheguru Did i walk into another dimension when leaving the house this morning?? Singh559 Bhaiji, allow me to first apoogise for singling you out, as I have no itchia to offend. But the comment you have replyed to, has nothing to do with caps. Please reread. But my real concern is this new world I find myself in............ Was Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Ji's existence a dream??? Or have we been hacked by badal's high tech national secuirty aparatus??? And does the above really constitiute intellectual discourse??? Waheguru I think I need a lie down. Singh Ji 559 again I really do apologise for singling your post out, i'm sure I could have found another, and worse no doubt, but alas i'm too lazy and weak minded. Bhul chuk maaf

Jaspreet ITS NOW 48hrs!!!

"He is now resting. He is now at peace. Our nation has lost its greatest son. Our people have lost a father." -Jacob Zuma Oh no..........sounds like another Gandhi like (mis)use of someones hard built/maintained legacy. Well, vultures always circle a corpse i suppose.

Seriously????Read jail chittiyaa. Or better still find out how many days Shaheed Bhai Darshan Singh Pheruman survived before passing away!!!!!!!!!!! If you know who he is that is!!!!!!!! I hope i'm completely wrong but this sounds like a gupt questioning of Bhai Sahibs integrity, and now is not the time............I apologise for the curtness but as they say, ask a silly question........... Bhul chuk di khema

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Bhaiji with a name such as you've chosen, you sound defeated!!!!!!!

He was 18/19yr old gursikh of AKJ Amritsar, was a survivor of narakdhari kand....... Stayed with Bhai Mehal Singh and Bhai Anokh Singh Shaheed. He was a gupt kharkoo, without a dhari due to young age would wear salwaar kamize and ride on the back of a bullet, kaafi virodhi sohdai see. Unfortunately he was shot dead june 1st 1984 in crpf 12 hour shooting immediately prior to bluestar or bluestar itself depending when you agree it started. Baaki memory is failing me........ Bhul chuk maaf