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yea singh 132 is right mastana means to be absorbed in something to the level of almost being possesed/intoxicated by it, doesnt necessarily mean anything about clothes i dont think... It goes hand in hand with being nirlaip. Like when elephants are in masth.

dude she was asking for help... i agree with curious...you shouldve have given her Gurmanter or if she understood Mool mantar... or told her to get an Akhand paath done...

damdami taksal...?

<< Anything golden is jewerly first. Just because it depicts a cross, does not make it so.>> thats a totally subjective assertion you have no place to claim you know why it was bought

yes women can be sants slok mÚ 5 ] ijnw swis igrwis n ivsrY hir nwmW min mMqu ] DMnu is syeI nwnkw pUrnu soeI sMqu ]1] salok ma 5 || jinaa saas giraas n visarai har naamaa(n) man ma(n)th || dhha(n)n s saeee naanakaa pooran soee sa(n)th ||1|| Shalok, Fifth Mehl: Those who do not forget the Lord, with each breath and morsel of food, whose minds are filled with the Mantra of the Lord's Name - they alone are blessed; O Nanak, they are the perfect Saints. ||1||

soz for the double post, i can never edit my posts here dunno why on what basis is a Golden kirpan not a kirpan.

<<Meaning, why doesnt she wear a wooden cross around her neck ? Oh wait..its not fashionable.>> how on earth can you qualify this statement she said she 'feels naked without it' that she's worn it for years. Thats exactly how I feel if I take off my kara e.g.

loku ] salok || Shalok: Aiq suMdr kulIn cqur muiK i|AwnI DnvMq ] ath su(n)dhar kuleen chathur mukh n(g)iaanee dhhanava(n)th || He may be very handsome, born into a highly respected family, very wise, a famous spiritual teacher, prosperous and wealthy; imrqk khIAih nwnkw ijh pRIiq nhI BgvMq ]1] mirathak keheeahi naanakaa jih preeth nehee bhagava(n)th ||1|| but even so, he is looked upon as a corpse, O Nanak, if he does not love the Lord God. ||1||

<<A golden Crucifix is not the same as Jesus' . If they want to argue that, than carry a real wooden cross on your back to school all day.>> Then why dont you carry a 4 foot long kirpan, bow and arrow and have a hunting hawk while you're at it. You think Guru Sahib went to war with a 6 inch knife?

thats not fair everyone has a right to express their religion in their own way if she loves Jesus and wants to wear a cross because of this then no one can stop her. Sikhs have died in the past for other faiths' freedom. To say it isn's demanded by the church is ridiculous...she has a right to express her faith how she likes.

they said the kirpan in the newspaper was 3 inches instead of feet....

I disagree, I agree with Pheena

and another thing, since when was dancing against Sikhi? we're not Catholic <.<

listen to sant gyani kartaar singh jees katha on gurmatveechar.com , i cant remember the filename anymore but it may be the rehat in sikhi one,,,he gives an explanation very different than the one given by gyani takhur singh in the stuff u've been posting 138338[/snapback] there are many levels of interpretation of Gurbani, all of them valid. Gurbani is extremely deep, even the interpretations by Namstang show two interpretations. I have heard Mahapursh say that once your anbhav gets going then everytime you read Gurbani you understand it differently

the 3HO people arent necessarily Sikhs - 3HO is essentially the yoga part of the organisation. Within this organisation, some members became Sikhs. Were these people Sikhs? Besides, it is exercise, anything that gets your heart rate up is exercise.

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<<Cant they jus keep the singing limited to gurbani and anything else they wanna explain do it thru talkin alone? Why do they have to mix sining of dharnas with gurbani? Are there not enough shabads to sing? Are ther not enought raags in SGGS that we dont need to compose our own music?>> The point is whether its wrong or not. You keep asking why, I ask you why not? Namstang has already said that St Attar Singh Ji was given jukam by akash bani. The aim of dharna kirtan as stated by St Attar Singh Ji is to give the most uneducated people a chance to understand the depth of Gurbani - and they usually back up their dharna with Gurbani anyway. Basically, if you dont to listen to it dont, but why stop those of us that do want to listen to it. I for one know for a fact that if it wasnt for dharna kirtan i would have much less understanding of Gurbani than I do now. Dharna makes early understanding Gurbani much more accesible, its like a stepping stone.

5 Sikhs together - consider that the Guru Himself is there 5 pyare - look at their names and order they were called - its v significant Dya Singh - you have to have Dya Dharam Singh - when you have Dya you get Dharam Mohkam Singh - When you get Dharam then eventuall you get mohkam/stability Himmat Singh - when you have stability you have to apply himmat Sahib Singh - when you have these 4 characteristics then you are a Singh Sahib.

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<<t is fine to take your kanga, and kirpan, and place it in a clean and respectful place nearby,>> where does it say not to keep your kakars with you....keyword being nearby We have people on Sikh Sangat denouncing Guru Sahib and Sikhi maybe we should be shut down...but nooo we pick on someone who is respectfully giving you their opinion to the best of their ability, yet you tolerate marxist extremists over here. >.>

<<Another bias comment, here is a picture of 3ho gora sikh with sant jarnail singh khalsa bhindranwale>> who is also wearing white soz for double post - it wasnt letting me edit my post

suixAY jog jugiq qin Byd ] suniai jog jugath than bhaedh || Listening-the technology of Yoga and the secrets of the body. ***************** gauVI cyqI mhlw 1 ] gourree chaethee mehalaa 1 || Gauree Chaytee, First Mehl: muMdRw qy Gt BIqir muMdRw kWieAw kIjY iKMQwqw ] mu(n)dhraa thae ghatt bheethar mu(n)dhraa kaa(n)eiaa keejai khi(n)thhaathaa || Let your ear-rings be those ear-rings which pierce deep within your heart. Let your body be your patched coat. pMc cyly vis kIjih rwvl iehu mnu kIjY fMfwqw ]1] pa(n)ch chaelae vas keejehi raaval eihu man keejai dda(n)ddaathaa ||1|| Let the five passions be disciples under your control, O begging Yogi, and make this mind your walking stick. ||1|| jog jugiq iev pwvisqw ] jog jugath eiv paavasithaa || Thus you shall find the Way of Yoga. eyku sbdu dUjw horu nwsiq kMd mUil mnu lwvisqw ]1] rhwau ] eaek sabadh dhoojaa hor naasath ka(n)dh mool man laavasithaa ||1|| rehaao || There is only the One Word of the Shabad; everything else shall pass away. Let this be the fruits and roots of your mind's diet. ||1||Pause|| ************************** kvn rUpu qyrw AwrwDau ] kavan roop thaeraa aaraadhho || What form of Yours should I worship and adore? kvn jog kwieAw ly swDau ]1] kavan jog kaaeiaa lae saadhho ||1|| What Yoga should I practice to control my body? ||1|| ...... gux pUjw igAwn iDAwn nwnk sgl Gwl ] gun poojaa giaan dhhiaan naanak sagal ghaal || Virtue, worship, spiritual wisdom, meditation and all service, O Nanak, ijsu kir ikrpw siqguru imlY dieAwl ]4] jis kar kirapaa sathigur milai dhaeiaal ||4|| are obtained from the True Guru, when, in His Mercy and Kindness, He meets us. ||4|| iqs hI gunu iqn hI pRBu jwqw ] this hee gun thin hee prabh jaathaa || They alone receive this merit, and they alone know God, ijs kI mwin lyie suKdwqw ]1] rhwau dUjw ]36]105] jis kee maan laee sukhadhaathaa ||1|| rehaao dhoojaa ||36||105|| who are approved by the Giver of peace. ||1||Second Pause||36||105|| pUrw qpu pUrn rwju jogu ]2] pooraa thap pooran raaj jog ||2|| Perfect is the penance; perfect is the Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||2|| hir kY mwrig piqq punIq ] har kai maarag pathith puneeth || On the Lord's Path, sinners are purified. pUrI soBw pUrw lokIk ]3] pooree sobhaa pooraa lokeek ||3|| Perfect is their glory; perfect is their humanity. ||3|| krxhwru sd vsY hdUrw ] karanehaar sadh vasai hadhooraa || They dwell forever in the Presence of the Creator Lord. khu nwnk myrw siqguru pUrw ]4]45]114] kahu naanak maeraa sathigur pooraa ||4||45||114|| Says Nanak, my True Guru is Perfect. ||4||45||114|| **************** now please tell me where it says not to do yoga...yoga has many different forms, sittin gdown and doing naam jaap is yoga too

o yea people have already somehow decided that there are no sants/mahapursh/brahmgiani etc and have started the mentality of other religions that only *our* Gurus were brahmgiani etc its v worrying for the future, especially as these ppl have the loudest voice and are the most forceful with their opinions

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Quote Sinister <<See you and your "Learned singhs" their! Ill have the chaa ready before 1800........ ......<banned word filter activated>>> Dude how about less ad hominen?? from your previous posts its pretty obvious youve studied a lot of other viewpoints and havent studied anything about real Sikhi. Read around the web, google is your best friend then when you know something about Sikhi then come back and argue. Check out www.atammarg.com and read the english articles on what Sikhi is. If you dont believ in spirituality no one is forcing you to be a Sikh >.>