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  1. try telling that to your average teenager :happy2:
  2. No you forget that certain Hindu elements want the general population to forget what the Sikhs have done from the start ..they are trying to attack those places which shows history of Hindus Owing Sikhs bigtime to frame us as a band of offshoots from hinduism who are surplus to requirements ... into the fire comes to mind
  3. What do expect from Badal's corporation? If they stood up straight they could still walk under a snake... what forum is this a cut'n'paste from?
  4. jkvlondon

    Ilford

    Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki fateh, I am a transplant to Ilford too, my personal experience is I made the mistake of sending my eldest at age 3 to GGSK college... he was bullied constantly by older students and also to some extent by his teacher because of his mixed background his father is European descent Brasilian and I myself Punjabi . I thought being a Sikh school with its own Gurudwara the kids would be more understanding of Keshadhari Sikhs thus my Son would remain confident in Khalsa roop but the truth is he was picked on constantly by the Mona sikhs and even had a knife pulled on him by a 13 year old and was told that if he told that boy would kill his parents, the staff tried to push the blame onto my kid that's when I took him out of there. I should never have taken him out of Montessori based schooling for that ... Guru SIngh Sabha on Seven Kings High Road have a lot of sangat , many amritdhari families not sure of quality of classes etc but Karamsar GuruDwara has quite well advertised punjabi classes also they have Tanti Saaz lessons along with vocal training pricing is reasonable for quality of lessons Mischief makers are trying to defame Karamsar (see above ) and the gurudwara has put a statement out on their Facebook page thus: A video is going around (in fact, a few are) of Gurdwara Karamsar ILFORD, in which a group of Sikhs are being 'STOPPED' from doing Santhia. The videos are skewed and are being uploaded by an individual. FIRST POINT: The group who attended this evening had begun santhia around 6 weeks ago, without gaining any permission from the Gurdwara management. They have been coming in and were since told not to continue, as there is no responsible individual who can be held accountable, if something were to happen. In addition, the group were told that there is santhia which occurs every Thursday, so it is not as if there is 'nothing for the sangat', as is being implied in the video. There is also Gurbani viakhia on Mondays, Weekly simran on Thursdays, along with Punjabi and Sikh History classes. SECOND POINT: The darbar sahib was being shown to be locked. The 2nd floor darbar is usually locked for security reasons, and is opened when there is a programme (It is a spare hall). Again, such individuals were denied access but wanted to forcefully run their santhia. This group contains individuals from the Mata Sahib Kaur Academy (since closed), and they have been denied access at all the local Gurdwaras. The main darbar, on the 1st floor, was open and kirtan and katha carried on till half past 9! THIRD POINT: There is no rule that the police officers couldn't wear their shoes and hats outside the darbar sahib. They did not wear shoes in darbar sahib. The police were called prior to this event, and they maintained a calm presence, only being there to prevent any violence. From observance, and by being a human being with eyes, I can see that some people only attended to increase the sangat numbers. Speaks for itself. The Gurdwara trust has allowed many regular activities and events to occur, and as such it is my most favourite Gurdwara. Please keep an open mind when these videos come before you. Waheugu Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh So my own view point having been there is this Gurudwara is truly trying to serve the sangats needs and providing programs and classes to promote sikhi in the youth. It is sad that where naam and bani is the focus people are attacking them because of their success in joingin the people to Waheguru and Sikhi.
  5. you being wacist ? :ph34r: besides you get dark going out during the day not tea LOL
  6. In that case guys Chocolate is out too ... don't cry too much :biggrin2: When I was expecting I couldn't take anything which contained caffeine this included the sweet drug Chocolate ... severe illness not matter which stage . My advice if you are stopping -taper down rather than going cold turkey as you can get really bad symptoms. remember it is only a temporary boost to alertness the come-down is twice the tiredness
  7. Tory party is under scrutiny currently for 'losing' over 100 files relating to evidence gathered supporting allegations of predatory Paedophilia going on within the Tory party hierachy during the eighties (Thatcher era) , one would think they would do some homework before putting their foot in their mouths like this normally they are very conscientious of image ... opps methinks
  8. only thing is other people who don't realise or are not 1. amritdhari 2.up to date with current situation in India or here will always click to sign and Gorey who are uninformed.
  9. Theresa May probably is chasing the agenda of Indian Govt as Sikh Federation UK have opposed Gandhi statue and that has put a fly in the ointment for good 'relations' , Gurnam SIngh is being a fool playing into the Govt hands next they'll be rounding up Singhs who wear Bana and Shastars without reason, holding them under emergency terrorism laws. Khalsa can sort out these hotheads by talking them down and around to a more calm way of getting justice for our girls or to stop Non-sikh activities in our gurdwarey. But it has to be a panthic effort.
  10. According to that philosophy no-one would be selected ...taking Amrit is just the first step I was just talking about how older sikhs did things ...of course the ideal is you know your banis and can read but then what are you going to do about those poor souls who want to become Guruwaley although their janam may mean they never had the opportunity to read, write or even pray ? Yes I'm talking about the untouchables and the 'lower castes' they aren't even allowed to hear their granths being read . It is about the soul being ready the body is secondary ... I mean sakhi from Guru Gobind Singh ji's time ...it is the time of war and everyone is coming to join Guru ji's forces even the call was answered by a udasi , Kirpal Das was Udasi Mahant and leader of the udasi sect all his colleagues ran when the call came to arm and fight but he was the only one who came to Guru ji. When he offered himself to Guru ji the Singhs in darbar started laughing because this guy was fat had only a loin cloth as clothing , a kirpan and a club as weapons , he had not been trained in shastar vidhyiya he was a scholar sadhu but he still came because Guru ji called. Guru put a stop to the laughter by saying that Kirpal Das would fight as he was so resolute in fighting for Guru ji and the Khalsa panth. In The battle of Bhangani Kirpal Das went up against Hayat Khan a skilled pathan soldier who deserted Guru ji despite his inexperience he cries 'sat sri akal! ' and engaged Hayat , the pathan attacked with a kirpan blow but Kirpal Das defended hiself with his club then countered with a crushing blow to the skull finishing him. This written of in Bachitar Natak . Sanjog and Kirpa is what decides an abhilakees time for initiation everyone has their time ... sometimes as infants or children (your point would mean then they wouldn't even get choola) sometimes as adults , sometimes they have to wait of their life partner . My Nani waited nearly her whole life for Nana ji to be ready but in the meantime she still did her bhagti ... and had partak darshan of Guru ji BEFORE amrit . Nani ji has been gone from this world a long while now but her words were to us to always do work /action as beauty fades, power comes and goes but naam is the only constant.(sada rehnda) . I know you got a bit impatient with what I said but it kind of proved what I said but also if listening to full paat of Guru ji can removed deadly cancer from a nastik imagine how transformative it would be to those who are open to it...
  11. In Bhai Randhir SIngh ji's book Jail chitian he explain that abilakees for amrit sachar were expected to sit through whole Akhand paat ji and then get interviewed by Panj piare, who were made up of High avasta/kamai vale rehitvan Gursikh if the abilakees were deemed to be wanting they were refused . I have undergone through that interview process(minus the akhand paat as was during reshanbhai) twice once when a little girl and later on when I had again with my children. If you had mischief-makers in that situation would they sit day and night in darbar for three days just to have Amrit interview only I think not . They would get impatient angry etc proving they are not ready. Being illerate was never a barrier to becoming Khalsa as you can learn bani by listening and also studying gurmukhi that how early sikhs came from diverse backgrounds to Sikhi.
  12. The Khalsa can and will vet themselves we don't need jokers like you suggesting we carry toys ... we are the khalsa and we are here to save the oppressed and establish the raj of sach here on this Earth. Sorry your family member got scared, maybe he was scared because he was the cause of the accident ? I don't know, that little story doesn't prove anything the world is made up of Individuals maybe that Sikh guy was having a superbad day . if you don't believe we are living in the medieval ages explain why messed-up stuff like this happens
  13. sounds like my childhood , just walking around doing my thing with quickfire questions from all sides , it was challenging but I was lucky I was switched on to Sikhi and also other Dharams so I enjoyed smiling and sharing Sikhi and Guru ji with the different Non-sikh folks , they were always so grateful 'you're the first sikh girl to answer my questions they usually ignore me or say I don't know' I would apologise for the lapse and offer to answer what I could and to be straight when I didn't know (rarely). Religious education classes the other kids would ask me questions or to explain more about other faiths we were studying instead of the teacher cos He just had a script to follow. People really WANT to know us and what makes us tick. I agree our girls are not invested in , in terms of sikhi, punjabi literature, languages, gatka, gurbani ucharan anything ....why? Because HIndu dowry system devalues our girls , Guru Gobind Singh ji said to us, He who asks for dowry is not my Sikh. Pity greed is highermost in people's mind than Guru's bachan:' jab eh gahe bipraan ki reet , ma na karoon in ki partit.' so the girl's family only concentrate on their boys and nuturing their sikhi because 'she's gonna get married and nobody wants to have amritdhari DIL it's no point teaching her this stuff, she'll only make life harder for herself in her in-laws' I have had friends who are amritdhari and been told off for doing their bania by their in-laws ...why are people so thick? If your DIL is dharmic your grandkids will be Sikhs and also do their bania and have true faith in Guru ji. As the gurudwarey are full of fools trying to increase their own image rather than serving the sangat's needs we need to show our younger brothers and sisters the online resources , there is now so much english content teaching itihas, doing katha, teaching gurmukhi, even discussing raag kirtan terminology on youtube and other websites. If the parents wont do it we can ...
  14. Maybe we all need to do parchaar of what we are and why we are all the places we go, if someone asks us questions . It can be easier if we start using the pamphlets produced by 'Basics of Sikhi' team here in UK (check out their channel on youtube ) they even have translated it to French, Spanish, Brasilian Portuguese and other languages just download print off the double sided, three fold colourful leaflets. They even did one for 30th anniversary of 1984
  15. An ex3HO SIkh, Gursant Singh has been trying to alert people for ages about the beadbhi that happens onsite at the Espanola Gurudwara and the fact that Sikhnet follows 3HO policies but tries to get donations from bhole Gursikhs and Sangat on their site. I mean they have a moderator that prescreens/approves any entry on the discussion forums, so there is no real open spontaneous discussion. Yogi Bhajan was not a very good human being(stories of gun running, drugs smuggling and sexual assaults all over internet) and some even suspect he was linked with govt RSS types . While he has created his own personality cult we should try to be sympathetic to those who joined thinking they would find true sikhi and give them help to find the real message of Gurbani
  16. Depends if Girl kehndi hai singh sajo , amrit shakia? then you would kiss that girl's feet for recognising the truth ...Guru ji is everything You're right any Man who throws away his Sikh kaum for the temporary love/lust of a girl is lost to the world ... is janaam juhe ch haria.
  17. Ok maybe then America is more like it was when I was younger than I thought ... But surely the Vaisakhi celebrations in the White House/Pentagon got onto national news this year? We knew about it here in the UK
  18. I am female wear a dastaar and I have been known to openly admire strangers' dastaars no matter what culture , funny story I used to see a young African lady every morning on my bus to work when I was 17 man she has such a pristine dastaar my heart would lift when I would see her. Finally after a couple of months I sat next to her and got up the courage to ask her ...'hi am Jasbir I was wondering if you are also a Sikh ? she looked a bit surprised then replied 'sorry no I am African' 'that's OK I just wanted to tell you I think your turban is always beautiful and I admire it' thankfully by that time it was my stop so the crazy sikh girl could make an elegant exit by flashing her a smile and stepping out .... I openly admire my sons' hair and dastaars, discuss different looks, techniques and encourage them to love every part of themselves as Guru's gift, they have messy days but that's OK at least they are still in there trying to improve and find their style. Even Isher has days when she'll decide to wear a dastaar for the day and that's cool ...she has to have it exactly like the ones she sees online i.e. a dumalla. It's not a push thing she's free to choose. It is easier now to be accepted cos more people know about sikhism as it is more visible in the media and our own panthic efforts so I don't agree with that sentiment you need to be more brave now than then.
  19. No! make them accepted at home they will feel self-acceptance then and it won't matter what happens outside, I used to be bullied by boys and girls physically in gangs at junior school after having to walk alone past the gangs of skinheads that used to hang around the council estate I lived on and being jeered and sworn at even spat at . But instead of crumpling and giving in I kicked back against it all, my Perfect Guru didn't make a mistake in making me a sikh . That is the steel of Khanda inside ...
  20. Veer ji , it is only rare because we as a panth have made it so , When I had my first child I made a real heart-felt decision that I would create the kind of home environment that I had but better ... my childhood's background music was kirtan even when Dad and Mum hadn't taken amrit in the early days they would play old LP vinyl records of kirtan whether raagi kirtan or the soundtracks from Nanak Nam Jahaz hai with Mohd. Rafi . Mum was a very spiritual person as was my Nani ji in fact Mum had amrit before marriage from Kaleranwale Sant amrit sanchar, but that was taken away from her in order to marry Dad : she was told 'don't worry you can have amrit again after marriage' . My Nana and Nani ji thought my Dad was worthwhile Because he had moved to the UK and still maintained his dastaar and beard despite that ... so Sikhi Saroop has always had Good connation in my folks. My Mum would read Bani from her gutka even though Dad wasn't that much into paat, My Dada ji came to visit in 76 and brought Guru ji in senchian for my Dad with the instruction make your life worthwhile do paat. In that following year My Dada ji passed away in a road accident and within the month My eldest Mama also passed ,my Dad got the Naam bug and had Amrit with Mum , we were considered too young still. Then they would take us to programs by bus across London every weekend. Sangat and Sewa is what we gained as Kids that where I learned how to make rotian and samosey etc in the langar kitchens and I saw other gursikhs which made me feel happy and confident in being different. In the Summer of 79 we were taken to India by my Mum as she was tired of the misinformation about India run on the TV affecting us, that is the first visit I remember of Harmandir Sahib and other Dharmic Asthaan Gurudwarey, of seeing Guru ji's Ladli Fauj - nihangs, of asking questions and having in depth answers back . I asked for books on SIkh Itihas and Gurbani my Mum bought a complete set of books to help me . By November I was fully ready to give my head ... so if we are willing to help our families to prosper in the true way we can have a strong future
  21. wrong ! show your daughters brothers in their own household with sikhi saroop who are caring, helpful to others, hardworking, fun-loving who keep Guru's rehit and I guarantee 100 % she will want to marry a gursikh not a kesh dhari but Khalsa . My 6 year old informed me in no uncertain terms' i am going to marry an indian' ( as we live in mixed neighbourhood) I asked her what she meant and she pointed at her teenage brothers 'like my brothers with turbans who do waheguru waheguru'. It's not about control its about opening their eyes to how others live . she doesn't want to marry someone who eats meat (that's killing animals mum) or drinks (my in-laws do both) she doesn't want to be like the ladies in the burqas (her school friends mums) she has told 'I'm going to wear a big keshki and have a big kirpan and fight baddies when I grow up ' Her first career choice was to be a power ranger for the same reason (only ever saw the program once in her whole life) She loves gurbani and will not sleep without I have do it down the phone if I am away at the set time, its about developing preet for Sikhi from when both sexes are babies and keeping that a part of their routine and life.
  22. Well it just goes to show that he hasn't bothered paying attention to rehit of amrit if she is a mem then his amrit is null and void they both have do pesh and take amrit together . That's why amritdhari girls pick an amritdhari guy because they pay attention unlike these bheki singhs
  23. How can you be low like that ? You should be saying I want a singhni who will give my future family strong faith in Guru ji, who is strong in her abhihaas , is intelligent, have a warrior spirit, can read Guru ji and teach children the same; NOT provide me with housemaid service and 'entertain' me jeeez . SIngh ho ke ehni neech soch and you wonder whats up. Try learning to cook and clean and provide your own entertainment THEN look out wards . Become a worthy husband PRIOR to looking for that wife by becoming a true khalsa and having an uchi suchi jiwan. Guys look for that special SInghni with the Guru's eyes not your human eyes and Ladies look and see Guru ji da ladla Khalsa be discerning all of you - select someone who respects Guru ji and Sikhi if she's looking for a clean-shaven or trim beard sikh (fitt jaun da) or he 's looking for removal of hair, dastaar or even 5 kakkars in singhni (ditto) just do fateh and walk away quickly in the opposite direction don't even look back. Don't be pressurised by your folks into accepting less than a gursikh . BTW getting a girl from India is no guarantee of getting a singhni she may be even more brainwashed into hating sikhi saroop by Bollywood than girls from Uk USA or Canada; If you want to make sure your sisters are happy in life stop the Bollywood films and serials that the older bibian watch 24/7 and get them to keep sangat at sikh camps instead and keep saroop and rehit of Guru Gobind Singh ji yourselves so that they feel at ease with look and the lifestyle. I was discussing marriage and caste system with another bhaine ji on another forum this is my view of what we should think of when considering marriage : Marriage is about life's mission which is to join with Akal Purakh and become Jiwan Mukht, it is sad that now this divine soul's mission has been forgotten and all people can talk about is things which have more to do with MOH , Ahankar, Kaam and LObh . You are one sikh when you are unmarried but marrying gives you lifelong Sangat (Khalsa maths formulae: 1 is Sikh, 2 is Sangat, 5 is Guru) and you can support each other in this most vital of tasks, you live your lives, do your grisht duties, kirt di kamai, have kids but in the understanding that they are a special sewa assigned to you not belongings . Teach them about the world , give them an idea of Sikh Itihas, get them Gurmukhi tution if you can't teach them, make opportunities to join sangat in Gurudwara, play kirtan in the home, do nam jap from the get go and do nitnem banis as a family group . Sure go out, have fun, do sports etc but become whole people.
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