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Sorry to disappoint you.Coup has failed by Turkish people.

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Have you met each and every Punjabi Muslim girl ? lolz Listen dude girls are just girls they do all sort of things

I'm agreed with your statement but don't you think that India had already been partitioned (1947).The myth of Indian unity was broken by partition in 1947.

Well the myth that every one is Indian from Khyber pass to Dhaka was shattered in 1947.What is this INDIAN term ? Why Bengalis in Bangladesh are not Indian while Bengalis in West Bengal are called Indians ? What is the difference between West Punjabis and East Punjabis.West Punjabis would hate to call themselves Indians whereas East Punjabis are called Indians ??? Indianism is also an artificial term like Pakistan.The difference is that Pakistan is 70 years old whereas Indian is some thousand years old term. When Khalistan will be created and after 60 or 70 years of creation it will too have a history of 60/70 years.

Well as far as I recall the creation of an Independent state in 1971 did not have any impact on West Bengal.Indians never bothered what would happen if a Bengali state is came into being.Pakistani leadership may think same about Khalistan. Creation of Khalistan won't affect West Punjab. Every Pakistani govt supported Sikh separatist but it was only Benazir bhutto who gave info to Rajiv Gandhi in defiance to Pak army.She was no fan of army as his father was hanged by army . Unfortunately our leadership never cared about the interests of Pakistan.They always cared about their personal short term benefits.

I know very well that Sikhism is different religion.It has nothing to do with Islam or Hinduism.Actually some guy has said that Islam copied many things from Judaism so i replied him that Sikhism too copied somethings from Hinduism.Simple

@Sheikh Yo Bro Well Sheikh Bro,Good Luck to all those people who leave Islam.If they are satisfied then most welcome. Here is an Antheist from Sikh background This is because Muslims are not a single ethnic group unlike Sikhs who are united by one langauge.Muslims have dozens of ethnic groups that's why they have diff mosques.A Muslim can go to any mosque.Some of my cousins live in Netherlands and they go to Moroccon mosques for prayers.So your statement is completly wrong that Muslims and Arabs don't go to each other's mosque. Agreed there is friction between Arabs and Pakiz but even in Pakistan there is friction among diff ethnic groups.A north Indian muslim is quite diff than a south Indian Muslim.Having said that does not mean that they don't have a sense of belonging to Muslim Ummah.There were a lot protests in in South Indian cities like bangalore in 2012 against that Islam bashing movie. An avergae Paki ,Arab or Indian Muslim would react in almost same way against Islam Bashing. Muslims from diff ethnic back grounds marry each other in western countries and there is nothing in Islam which forbids them doing so. If Gurudwaras are not caste based than why they are named as Ramgaria Gurudwara why not just Gurudwara ? True ,Turks,Arabs and Pakis have their own mosque but there is a big cultural gap between these groups and they are all united because of Islam other wise they have nothing in common with each other.But that is not the case with Sikhs.Majority of Sikhs have same ethnic background have same culture and most of them belong to same state Punajb. Yet they have different gurudwars even though most of them belong to same ethnic group. I know that Sunni and Shia mosques exist but I have yet to find a caste based Mosque.Like Jatt Muslim Masjid or Cheema Masjid ,Bajwa Masjid etc (Correct me If am wrong) Same goes for Sikhism.Sikhsism is also a divided society.Jatts Sikhs and other low caste Sikhs don't get along well.Jatt Sikhs vs Nirankaris friction.Hatred for eachother.

Bro I think you are taking me as some kind of frustrated guy.Well I can assure you that I'm not. I was not very religious person at all.I used to think that religion only divides humanity.So I was very critical of religion then I joined Atheist groups on Facebook (mostly Pakistani and Indian ) where I find many Atheists from Hindu background and most of them were supporters of Modi. They were extremely anti Muslim and anti Pakistan.They were quick to defend Modi and India and they never miss a chance to abuse Pakistan.That was the turning point in my life.I began to feel guilty for betraying my community I thought if these people can defend their country and a mass murderer like Narednra Modi and they are also quick to defend Hindus against Muslims even though they themselves are Atheists.Then what's wrong with me ? So I decided right there and then that all this high talk of morality and Atheism can go to hell.From now on I would also do the same.I wonder if they can stay loyal to their identity and their community then why can't I ? My English is not very good but I hope you will get my point.

A Muslim is a Muslim does not matter from which race he blongs.African Muslims take as much seriously Islam as Pakis or Indian Muslims do.They do believe that there would be paradise and hell after death.And they really mean it.BTW would like to apply the logic of "Naive" on Punajbis as u knw majority converted to Islam 15 % converted to Sikhism whereas rest stayed as Hindus ? What do u say ? If you think they are so Naive why don't you go and try to convert those Africans (wether Christian or Muslim .Your choice).Lag pata javay ga hahahahah I don't know why some people take the Africans so easy 1/3 of Muslims live in Africa.And all the Muslims who live in Africa are not Blacks.I think that guy DTF is right.15 % Muslims are Black.Bcoz right from Morocco to Egypt people in these countries are not Black.They live in Africa so they can be called as Africans but not blacks.30 % Muslims are from Sub Continent.Muslims still go to preach Islam in Africa.My prof told us about his visit to Togo for Dawah purpose. By the way don't worry If we have a Big population.Even now Sikhs have started parchaar soon you will too have massive numbers. Good Luck to you Guyz :DP.S Hindus have many ethnic groups like Punjabis , Gujaratis ,Marathi,Tamil,Bihari etc whereas Sikhsism is confined mostly to Punjabis.

Same goes for Sikhs.You must have been aware about caste distinctions among Sikhs even though Sikhism strongly rejects caste system. Some Jatt Sikhs consider themselves suprior to Ram Garias or Ravi Dasis Or Niran Karis.Many don't even consider the Niran Karis as Sikhs.What a pity that the religion which stood against Caste system now has caste based Gurudwars.The resentment against Jatt Sikhs' treatment of low caste Sikhs can be clearly seen when some low castes Sikhs converted to Christianity.Same goes for Muslims.Shia and Sunnis have diff mosques. This is bound to happen coz every religion was created by Humans.I still wonder that even after hundreds of years of their death men like Jesus,Buddha,Mahavira,Muhammad and all Sikh Guru Sahibaans still influence lives of billions of people on globe.

That's why I support separation of religion from state.I want to show my Muslims fellow that we can be equally proud of being Muslims and on the same time we should adopt modern ideas like equality of humans etc separation of religion from constitution. // Do you now see why apart from being a atheist you are also a hypocrite. You support a religion in which you have no belief and the tenets of which clearly would call for your death.// Bro that is ur personal opinion about me.I don't see any hypocrisy in this.I call it loyalty.I would stay to my Muslim identity because I'm born to a Muslim family and I have a great sense of belonging to Muslim community.I won't betray my community when there is a hard time for Muslims in today's world. I have mention before about great writer Khushwant Singh who was an Atheist yet he was proud of his Sikh heritage.He had no faith in God yet he wear 5 K's.It shows that you can stay loyal to your community even if you don't believe in its religious scriptures. P.S must read his biography Truth, Love & a Little Malice. Its free on Internet.

Well not just Arabs but almost every Muslim is considered a slave of Allah.The word Islam itself means submission to the will of Allah.And low attendance of mosques does not mean that that those Muslims have no love for their religion or Muslim community.Many Muslims drink alcohol and practice fornication , watch porn that does not mean that they have less love for Islam.In fact those guys who did 9/11 (I don't support their barbarous acts by the way) were seen in bars drinking alcohol etc hope u got my point. And I don't know who your Turkish friends are they might be Atheists or staunch secular but don't be in illusion Turkey is one of the few countries where Pakistan has good image. Generally Turkish people and Pakistanis have good relations.People of modern day Pakistan supported Turkey during Caliphate movements Muslims gave donations for Turkish army in those days since then we have very good relations with them.Even Turkish nationalists acknowledge that.I can show you even Pakistanis who hate Arabs and other Muslims like Hassan Nisar who have no love lost for Arabs.Such people can be found in every community.Even some Punjabi Muslims looked down upon Bengali Muslims.But generally speaking an average Muslim from any community has great sense of belonging to Muslim Ummah and some Pakistanis esp seculars make fun of this Muslim Ummah concept but again you can't make 100 % people from any community to agree on one point and Muslims are no exception to it.You know I have Turkish friends who hate their founding father Kamal Ata Turk for making Turkey a Secular republic.There are always some sections of secular in almost every Muslim community who look down upon Muslims from other ethnicites. Muslims from secular countries took part in Charlie Hebdo protests in great numbers.In Turkey and in Russian regions such as Chechnya Muslims protested against Charlie Hebdo which clearly shows that Muslims from secular countries still have a great attachment to Islam.Don't let your some secular Arab or Turk friend to ignore ground realities in the Muslim world. See how even secular communites of Muslims Chehcans have great love for Islam.Heart warming to see so many people shouting Allah O Akbar And Pakistanis are not modern converts. Pashtuns of Pakistan converted to islam in 7 or 8th century.Same goes for Baloch Muslims.Punjabi Muslims started to convert to Islam from 12 century onwards.Every Muslim in this world is converted in some way.Even the family of Prophet Muhammad was not Muslims at one point.Whole of Arabia was not Muslims.Turks too were shamniists before converting to Islam.Persians were Zoroastrians. Paki/Indian Muslims were Hindus.Afghans were Buddhist/Hindus same goes for Bengali Muslims.Indonesian and Malaysian Muslims too are converts.So basically every Muslims is convert By the way I find it hard to digest that those Turkish friends of yours look down upon Indians and Paki Muslim but they get along with you guys even though you are Indians and have same ethnicity as most of Pakistanis have.This clearly shows that your Turkish friends are either Atheists or Secular which means they don't represent whole Turkish community. Atheism is growing in every part of the world but the problem with many people is that they always look to other communities weak point like you guys are always ready to point that how atheism is growing in Muslim societies whereas you completely ignore to look in your own community.Atheism is also growing in India and in Sikh community you just need to open your eyes to see that as I've told you that instead of looking for Muslim atheists you should join some Punjabi Atheists groups and then you will know how many punjabis from Sikhs background are leaving Sikhism for Atheism. True many Muslims leave Islam but we Muslims produces millions of babies every year so that does not have huge impact on our over all demography. Dawah centers are preaching Islam in almost every non Muslim country.If thousands of leaving Islam then there are thousands of those people in western countries who are accepting Islam to the extent that they are willing to fight for Muslim causes.

Generally Muslims don't believe that a person like Prophet Muhammad or his relatives can do anything such barbaric.Muslims simply view it as a mere infidel propaganda.After all how can Muslims believe what their enemies say ? And even if Muslims esp Punjabi Muslims accept that Prophet Muhammad did all sort of things.Then again it won't change anything because the hatred for Hindus and Sikhs is too much among Punjabi Muslims.And how can Punjabi Muslims or even Sikhs forgot what happened to each community in 1947? Hatred between 2 communities would still continue.I don't see any reconciliation between Sikhs and Punjabi Muslims.Both communities have solid reason to hate each other. (I knw its not related to topic butttt :D)

And African American in United States are reverting to Islam not for the sake of idendity.Their ancestors were brought from Africa to work in America.Their ancestors were Muslims later on when they arrived in America they were converted to Christianity and now Black Americans just want to go back to their roots.I read in some newspaper that A black Christian named his daughter after the daughter of Prophet Muhammad (Fatima).Why ? Because he wanted to remind his cildren their true roots.

Does that matter if a person is balck or white ? Why so much discrimination ? As If you Sikhs belong to white race lolz .By the way you need to check you stats about Muslims.1/3 of Muslims are black not half.FYI people living in north African countries like Egypt,Libya,Morocco and Tunis are not Blacks.And Islam is not belong to just one race.There are millions of people from other races who follow Islam.There are millions of Native Europeans who follow Islam i.e Albania,Kosovo,Bosnia.Macedonia has 30 % Muslims.And then there are Muslims in Russia esp in Tatarstan,Bashkorostan and Checnya etc. Agreed Muslim conquerors played a very big role in spreading Islam then again In Indonesia,Malaysia,Philippines and in some provinces in South Thailand which are Muslims majority here in these areas Islam spread by Dawah (Muslim missionaries) almost 250 millions Muslims live in these countries. //And lets face it Black people will convert to anything. They are very naive race and will convert to anything. thats why so many blacks are Christians. These people want a sence of belonging in the world due to their skin colour which they are discriminated against.// Complete BS.There is no sword of Islam anymore they can convert back to any religion but see this won't happen.90 % people remain in the religion in which they are born. I don't know If Muslims have a superiority complex or not. But one thing I've noticed on this forum is that you guys have a real inferiority complex .That's why you guys are obsessed with Muslims which means you people definitely had a good thrashing by Muslims that's why you still have not get over it.If some Sikh marry a Muslim you people start shouting.Don't believe me ? Just see the number of threads which are related to Muslims in this forum.

Did not get it ? What Nankana Sahib has to do with Atheists ?

Bro as I told you that I'm convinced Atheist and I know that every religion is man made so there is no point on wasting time on any religion.I won't get anything by openly confessing I'm an atheist.And nobody will ever know that I'm an atheist because I have no intentions of openly confessing. So You think that Pakistan is glue which hold India together ? Well I don't agree.You know when Pakistan got divided in 1971 it did have major impact on India.No state from India seceded.Even the creation of an Independent Bengali state did not force Indian Bengalis to get freedom from Indian rule.Indian Bengalis are quite patriotic.If we accept your logic that Pak is glue which holds India together then west Bengal should have joined Bangladesh by now.Disintegration of Pakistan won't harm Indian unity.As you know India is a name a brad which has a history of 5000 years whereas Pak is just 70 years old entity.

I know I'm an Atheist but I don't see it is necessary to tell any one in my neighborhood that hey look I'm an atheist.And why would I tell anybody that I'm an Atheist.There is no logic behind it. And you know Atheists from any community tend to do more for their community.I read somewhere that founder of RSS was an Atheist.And I seriously believe that our founding father Jinnah was an Atheist too.I owe to my community the Muslims.And I want to see Muslims open minded and more powerful.You know even if a Jew do not believe in God he is still loyal to his community/faith.Same with me.I'm proud to be a part of Muslim community and ready to fight for Muslim causes. Because Once a Muslim is always a Muslim.And considering our huge population even if 200 million people leave Islam (which is highly unlikely) it won't be big deal for us but as hardcore supporter of Khalistan I would like to advice you that you should focus on Punjab.For the first time in 500 years you are in majority in Punjab.Don't let Atheism and Bihari Bhayas to turn Sikhs into a minority.As you know Gurdaspur ,Jalanandhar,Hoshiarpur and Nawanshar are Hindu majority now.Do something to improve you demography before its too late. Agreed Atheism is growing but this is not unique for Muslims.Atheism is growing in almost every country.You must have been aware that in India particularly in Indian Punjab atheism is growing.There a lot of people in your Punjab who are abandoning Sikhism and Hinduism.

@SheikhYoBooty "We need to defeat Islam by spreading knowledge of what it stands for in order to free people from slavery to it." You can't defeat Islam because even if a Muslim does not believe in Islam he would be still loyal to his faith and more importantly Muslim causes.I know many Muslims who have no faith in God yet they are proud to call themselves as Muslims. ​And lastly you shouldn't worry about Islam.Even if 5 million Muslims denounce Islam it won't make a big difference to our numbers.We produce millions of Muslims every year.You should worry about your Sikhs bros in Punjab.Just join some atheist group of Punjab like Dharam dy tarak etc. And you will know how many Sikhs don't even have faith in Waheguru.I know many Atheists from Sikh family background.They are my friends on Facebook.So instead of focusing on Islam why don't you do something for those Sikhs in Punjab who are becoming atheists ? Communism and Atheism has good following in East Punjab. AND at the end I would like to say that Islam would be the last religion to be finished by Atheism.In today's world Muslims are more loyal to their faith than any other religion. Even Atheists from Muslim background like myself are loyal to it

"We need to defeat Islam by spreading knowledge of what it stands for in order to free people from slavery to it." You can't defeat Islam because even if a Muslim does not believe in Islam he would be still loyal to his faith and more importantly Muslim causes.I know many Muslims who have no faith in God yet they are proud to call themselves as Muslims. ​And lastly you shouldn't worry about Islam.Even if 5 million Muslims denounce Islam it won't make a big difference to our numbers.We produce millions of Muslims every year.You should worry about your Sikhs bros in Punjab.Just join some atheist group of Punjab like Dharam dy tarak etc. And you will know how many Sikhs don't even have faith in Waheguru.I know many Atheists from Sikh family background.They are my friends on Facebook.So instead of focusing on Islam why don't you do something for those Sikhs in Punjab who are becoming atheists ? Communism and Atheism has good following in East Punjab. AND at the end I would like to say Islam would be the last religion to be finished by Atheism.In today's world Muslims are more loyal to their faith than any other religion. Even Atheists from Muslim background like myself are loyal to it :D

""Islam is nothing but a fake copied religion" As a matter of fact every religion in this world is man made.Sikhism is copied from Hinduism and Islam.Sikhism copied many things from Hinduism like concept of Reincarnation and burning of dead. It is interesting to see Muslims bashing other religion and calling them fake :D And so does some Sikhs.I have questions for both Sikhs and Muslims that why they are so sure that their religion is true one.Sikhs would say it is in Guru Granth Sahib and Muslims would say that it is in Quran hahahaha . They will prove the authenticity of their religion by quoting their own religious scriptures I don't know what was so special in Muhammad Jesus Moses and all Sikh Gurus that they God(If he exists) sent them to spread his message.

In my opinion Prophet Muhammad did everything to get power.He got rid of anyone who disagreed with him. By the way I think religion is simply outdated.One thing still wonders me how people can be so stupid at some times.For example just ask any religious person how you know that your religion is true one or a revelation by God ? He would quickly say that it is written in their holy book i.e Quran/Geeta/Granth/Bible etc.

"What else can be expected from blood thirsty terrorists who beleive in killing innocent people " Would U say the same thing to the man who was asking for the killing of innocent people of Malerkotla who had nothing with what happened in Gurdaspur.

Who gives a damn what is written in Quran.It is just another book written by a man like rest of religious books. As If I am representing Muslims community