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Look how entitled these feminists are. To even ask for clarification for their opinions is to be an agent of a government who committed a genocide against the Sikhs. ? the feminist are the new white supremacist...how dare you ask me to explain myself? ? It is a violent crime against me to ask for clarification. @ADMIN @MOD you better step in here, how dare @BhForce ask for clarification. @BhForce should be banned forever from this site.

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How many times has this same arguement been presented on this site and every time the argument holds no water. This poster is a troll. An honest person would have searched on this forum for the discussion and learned from them. Yet this guy is not honest, he is a troll. If you guys have not noticed he wants the other side to present Gurbani or other evidence and then some way he will say, where does it say what you are asserting to say. He will never actually acknowledge proof presented and he will never present evidence for his arguments because they don't exist. Also he won't present evidence because it's easy to say no to an argument rather than make one, which takes time. These trolls will never quit. Stop feeding the troll.

I know you don't consider the Gurus lives had substance or their teaching holds no substance. Such an arrogant person.

You think because I called you a troll I am rattled. This name was given to you in the first day of you spreading your propaganda on this forum. It is a consensus among senior posters here you are a troll. Have you noticed how the admin who you questioned has not responded to you. Why do you think that is? Because he knows you are not here for learning or development of the Khalsa panth. You have one motive and that is to be a troll.

Nice come back, you really taught me troll. If Christians are standing up to murder of babies in the womb, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji would gladly give them support. So will Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Sikhs.

Again changing the meaning of a word to mislead sangat. Feminists are those who murder baby in the mother's womb. Guru Sahib will never stand beside these murderers.

When the feminist @Sukhvirk1976 lose in a discussion they start to become personal. They are very petty. These feminists will be telling Sri Guru Angad Dev ji, who are you to tell people not to worship a devi? You worshipped one therefore you can't tell anyone not too. Again these people are very petty. They are the same people who will try to execute Gurmukhs if they get the chance. They worship the devil.

Okay let's apply your theory to Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji. The Mughal emperor Jahangir hated how successful Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji was to converting Hindus and muslims into Sikhi. Jahangir wanted Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji to become a Muslim. Now your theory would tell Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji to accept what shows up in Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji life. Instead Guru Sahib rejected emperor jahangir request to become a Muslim. Next a marriage proposal came from Chandu Shah. According to your theory, Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji would have to accept the proposal from Chandu Shah, but Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji rejected the marriage proposal made to him for Hargobind Sahib ji to be married to chandu Shah daughter. So your theory is again is meaningless according to Sikhi. The latter angered chandu Shah and chandu Shah manipulated mughal emperor Jahangir to have Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji tortured and executed. Since Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji to Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji there was no defense attempt with weapons this falls into resisting by not accepting demands made as described above. Also this event did not end here because Vaheguru in is Sixth form as Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji got revenge for the torture and execution of his fifth form by torturing and killing Chandu Shah. So the Gurus did not accept the torture and execution as you describe in your theory. Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji was the first Guru to pick up the sword to start a defense against oppression. Before you mention Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji as accepting your theory let me explain. Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji would be following your theory if he had rejected the Kashmiri Pandits request to help them. Guru sahib according to your theory would let the mughal emperor kill all the Hindus because that's what came into the hindu pandits lives. Instead Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji inserted himself in the middle, which you would describe as something different and egotistical, and gave his head to save the lives of the Hindus. Even the younger children of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji rejected to accept being muslims. Your theory does not work in any circumstances surrounding Gurmat and the history of the Gurus.

Explain what illusion Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji was beyond? I ask you guys to define terms so they can be discussed but you guys refuse too. Many feminists like to keep key terms in a discussion ambiguous so they can change the meaning as it serves them best. I applied your theory of 'Gods will is your will and your will is Gods will' to Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji not accepting the janue that showed up in his life and he wanted something different. According to you this is being in ego, but we know through Gurbani this is being a Gurmukh. Your theory didn't pass the test of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji decision making, which is classified as Gurmat. Therefore your theory is meaningless in Sikhi. Let's put your theory further to the test. I mob is about to burn a baby alive in front of you. Now this has showed up in your life. To want something different in this scenario would be to not have that baby burnt alive and to save it. For you, according to your theory the correct action is to do nothing. Now this is what Hindu swamis do. They do nothing and let that baby be burnt alive. The Guru has given Sikhs the instructions to stand up for the innocent even if your life is at risk. The Sikh will make an attempt to save the baby from the mob and risk his life. This is the teaching of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharak and this is how the Sikh will act. If the Sikhs hands are tied and unable to escape and cant save the child then the Sikh will accept the hukam(will) of Vaheguru. I provide this example because Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale was presented with this scenario from a hindu swami. The swami provided a answer much like yours. But Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale gave an answer to what I have said is the Gurus hukam by attempting to save the baby. what you describe is how a plant has been limited by Vaheguru. The plant can't get up and move into the shade. It can't go get food or even protect itself. It has to endure all that comes to it. It has certain mechanisms to protect itself but not from every day occurrence like someone stomping on it or ripping it out of the soil. It can't stop certain animals from eating its leaves. A plant has to accept everything that shows up in its life. But even plants attempt to fight off a disease. So maybe you want to be like a rock. what you were trying to say was that accept everything in your life that is according to gurmat. So if a husband and wife are about to have a third girl. They should accept her without having any doubts and not have an abortion.

What would you say to Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji who did not wear the janue? The janue showed up in his life, but he wanted something different. So was he feeding his ego? Why didn't he accept to be a hindu as he was born in a Hindu family? What you are describing is the teaching of the hindu scriptures that is considered to be part of the 3 lower qualities that dont know the fourth way which Guru Sahib has given. We don't have a will. Today Guru Sahib gives me the blessing of praising him. Tomorrow he takes me to the pit of hell and makes me forget his name by absorbing me in anger and the roller coaster of emotions takes over. Next sunrise I feel humbled for I understand I don't control anything and beg for his mercy.

In the first post you wrote I can't understand free will through discussions. By which you accept free will exist. So I asked you to define free will that I can't understand through discussions. In this post you have changed your position to claiming you don't know whether it exist or not and add that I can't understand the question of free will just by talking about it. Therefore the Gurbani lines you provided can also be applied to anything else and this is manipulating them and not presenting the Gurbani in it's true form to be interpreted correctly. Here I will demonstrate: Does the flying spaghetti monster exist. I say no it doesn't exist. Then another poster presents the following Gurbani lines to say you can't understand the question of the flying spaghetti monster by talking about it. ਇਕਿ ਆਪੇ ਉਝੜਿ ਪਾਇਅਨੁ ਇਕਿ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਇਅਨੁ ॥ Some, He causes to wander in the wilderness, while others are committed to His devotional worship. ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪਿ ਬੁਝਾਏ ਸੋ ਬੁਝਸੀ ਆਪੇ ਨਾਇ ਲਾਈਅਨੁ ॥ He alone understands, whom the Lord causes to understand; He Himself attaches mortals to His Name.   Now the existence of the flying spaghetti monster is up to someone saying I was told by God the flying spaghetti monster exist and no one can deny it because you were not given the understanding. Also Santa claus also exist on the same premises. Let's go further I was given the understanding that humans were monkeys. It seems you want to say free will exist but don't want to define it.

They are not secular. They are on drugs and worshipping tantric and mantra sadhs. Each finger has a different colored ring to protect them from some sort of evil and bring them wealth. The youth boys and girls are on alcohol. They are on drugs. They have rave parties where girls are sexual abused. This is not secular. Also there is no such thing as secular Sikh. I knew from the beginning you didn't practice Sikhi and are here to twist Sikh practices. Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa was going through villages and found similar issues. He through the teaching of Gurbani woke up many villagers and this was done through education. Sikhs who are still oppressed will support a new country that will give them the freedom to earn for their family and have a normal life. Not a life of being oppressed and the threat of life being taken away or your land or business being taken away by force.

Leftist are changing definition to confuse the public. When it comes to abortion they changed the meaning of life threatening circumstances to the mother. Any normal person would think this means the mother would die if the pregnancy continued. But this is not how its actually defined for when a pregnancy can be aborted after 24 weeks. The women could be going through stress or the boy friend leaves and these reason are enough to murder the baby even in the 9th month and are classified as life threatening circumstances to the mother. In similar manner this poster has changed the meaning of dating to misguide what dating actually means to every individual who understands western culture. Meeting someone for a quick meet among parents is not dating by any means. This cunning behavior is actually what everyone should have a problem with, regardless of where someone sits on this topic. This is why members here refuse to discuss with this member.

Maybe this is a good place to start. Financially helping the shaheed families. Get them the help they need and also fund Gurbani schools so the younger generation know what the Guru is saying and they have a sense of belonging to Sikhi. If you look at the Sikhs around Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa. They were average sikhs. They turned into soorma after receiving the Guru's teachings. This is the key to turning anyone into a soorma. Find a good teacher in india and fund him financially to open schools and watch the culture of Punjab change from giddars to Gursikhs.

It's best to read Gurbani and understand concepts. Sikhiwiki is not a good site to be trusting when it comes to understanding Gurbani.

From the first line its understood Vaheguru does all. However you believe free will exist, according to the second line? So can you define free will for it can be discussed?

Gurbani says Vaheguru takes some off the path of Sikhi and also puts some on the path of Sikhi. Some people Vaheguru makes as kings and in the next split second crushes them and makes them into beggars. Its Vaheguru play. He does as he choses. Free will is an illusion of the mind like saying you exist as an individual person.

No, the threads name is marrying another race who is Sikh and than one self hating punjabi said, why can't we date? @BhForce provided proof to treat every women as either mother daughter or sister and you come up with a naive assertion of but it doesn't say how woman should treat other woman. In this context your assertion made no sense other than to accept it as some how woman have a lope hole on how they should treat other woman in regarding promiscuity. Even in this post you were unable to point out what exactly your were referring too. Instead you accuse me of being a right wing thinker compared to you the holy feminist of non binary'ism'. Even @BhForce had to write, not as a sexual partner of course.' Now we see the back peddling from you by blaming others to have unclean thinking and you are not willing to define exactly what type of relationship you were referring too.

When the white school trustees or elected officials of government get together about issues. They don't care or know what is happening in punjabis communities. Even if they see a problem that can be solved by putting in some sort of program or open a centre for the punjabi community they will not do it. They will hold town hall meetings to fight against it if punjabis get together and ask for it. For this very reason when you donate or think about giving back to the Community. Give back to fund the punjabi community related programs or centers or punjabi families in need. If punjabis want to live a better life in the west. Then support your fellow punjabis.

Hes very confused. I think he wanted to write that on another forum. He got confused and couldn't tell what forum he is on.

Before we go any further you know this forum can be seen by any age group. If you want women to treat another woman in some promiscuous way. Keep that thought in your mind and only there.

He was talking about the yogi bhajan cult. The one that used and uses Sikhi as a way to make money. Dance to Gurbani, have yoga as their central teaching but say Sikhi in videos to confuse their true intentions. They support tantric sex because yogi bhajan. But you know what, they are better Sikhs because the white complexion makes them right.

Culture plays a huge role. A punjabi Sikh can marry a white Sikh but have the white Sikhs parents accepted Sikhi. No, so when this couple have kids the grandparents would instill their culture on the child when they are taking care of them for time to time. Just look at the yogi bhajan cult. They aren't Sikh but no matter how much influence they had on them from a punjabi culture they still dont ever accept Gurmat. Gurmat has a culture which is close to traditional punjabi culture. Parts of Christian's culture was similar to traditional punjabi culture but never the same. And Christian's have completely abandoned it 100's a year ago