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24 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

He was a middle class kid from Baltimore. 

His parents were in the Black Panther movement. 

This is the tutti fruity guy that Jada Pinkett Smith preferred over the other tutti fruity Will Smith

She has a type.

And don't anyone deny there weren't moments in Fresh Prince where we thought, "Will Smith is acting a little sus here. Is he?..." When he did that campy effeminate voice and limp wrist, even as a kid I knew it was fruity, lmao. 

1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

His fatal error was that he started to believe in the thug image that he manufactured for himself, got gassed up, and assaulted a known gang member without thinking of the consequences.

Tupac was gifted as an artist but he was no gangster. Watch his early interviews before he is swallowed by the latter persona, and he's very delicate verging on fruity. These are ultimately creative, introspective types; they aren't gun-toting action heroes despite the bull5hit image they peddle to gullible hangers-on.

Do some of these guys toughen up and ultimately get a little involved in some of the darker side of things? Sure, but they cannot go toe to toe with the real hard men who've been in the gang business since the cradle. The film and music industries are peddling a nonsensical image of a particular artist in order to sell a product. A true "gangsta" is not going to get tied down to contracts and be dictated to by fat, rich record executives, lol. 

7 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

Panjab is a hellhole, a prime reason why people are clawing at the opportunity to leave and make a life in the west. The criminal element lurking within the Panjab is some hidden stuff beyond the diaspora's understanding of the homeland. 

Yes, 100%. As a foreigner with Punjabi roots, we're raised on depictions of white and black gangs that are mythologised in films and music almost as untouchable beings. We seem to think that "our" equivalents are clowns running around in chappals in dusty pinds, but the reality is a lot more sobering. It IS very difficult to explain, because the frames of reference to how they think, operate, and conduct their business is beyond anything that we're familiar with. Even Punjabi gangs in places like Canada walk in the footsteps of what they've seen depicted in the media of their countries, but their native Punjabi equivalents are something else. You don't want to enter that world.

45 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

You make a good point, but I would take it a step further and argue that the need for community leaders and role models is itself a failure. Ideally, our role models growing up would be the people who brought us into this world.

What kind of person would fit your description? Whoever this hypothetical person might be, if they existed, there would probably be a thread about them on SikhSangat pointing out their various deficiencies. And that is unavoidable because everyone has deficiencies, and it shows how problematic the need for leaders and role models is in the first place.

Indians cannot function without figureheads. They cannot think for themselves. They require group consensus on a micro level, and a strong man / woman to inspire them on the macro. Probably goes to explain why they kept getting bent over by invaders, waiting for that hero to emerge to show them the way.

Sikhs in particular have a problem with realising that human leaders are flawed. They expect too much in some cases; in other instances they place their hopes into entirely the wrong type of person. Sikhs are simultaneously some of the most ignorant and cunning people around, lol. Total contradiction.

26 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

I think you are worrying too much about "what's coming" in places like the UK and US. Don't be so negative.

And in any case, where would you even go? If the UK and US are hell on earth, where is the utopia that I have somehow overlooked?

Yeah. I know it'll be pretty much business as usual. Things eventually settle down again for a few decades. I was talking to an older guy I worked with, and he said the 70s and early 80s were very similar to what we're seeing now in terms of divisive politics and cultural issues. While there does seem to be a strange air of finality about some issues currently occurring in the world, I think things will be somewhat ok for most people.

As for the utopia... Israel!

@Punjabiwolves I suspect there's a handful of Glowies on this forum. They have a bunch of incendiary talking points which are consistently cycled through in order to keep emotions and anger at consistently high levels. It's a very common tactic by intelligence services who lurk on internet forums; basically never allowing a lull in the conversations they want to focus on.

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It's been existential since 1947.

Very surprised that there are 10k to 15k Sikhs left in Pakistan. 

I thought that there would be less than 100.

In my teens I would get triggered thinking of Pakistani and Afghan Sikhs, wondering, "Why don't they just move to another country?" Now I'm older I can appreciate how difficult it is to just get up and leave especially if it's not an immediate or direct life and death situation. Not many apne are capable of looking at a degrading society they call home, and extrapolating their existence 20 years into a dark and dangerous future. By all means, WE should be looking to leave the UK considering what's coming especially if you've kids and elders who can still move around a little bit. Americans in the major cities should've started leaving around 2 years ago. 

Hate to even think this, but a terrorist attack at Nankana Sahib is an inevitability at this point. 

16 minutes ago, 5aaban said:

I didn't even know it was the Queen's jubilee until a news website posted about it yesterday. I don't think many Aussies are aware about it either. 

It's been plastered on Screwfix's website for a few days, lol. I didn't know it was happening until a couple of days ago.

53 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

“We opted for a Hindu ceremony, because my wife came from a Hindu village, but she has adopted the Sikh religion since then. During the ceremony everyone sits around the fire chanting mantras and giving offerings.

“The husband usually leads the way, as the couple has to walk around the fire seven times. Towards the end the wife leads the way.”

This needs to be discussed a lot more than it currently is. The large majority of people in the pinds from this generation and earlier (and maybe as "recently" as the 70s) may have identified as Sikhs yet they still carried on with Hindu ceremonies and cultural practices. It was very commonplace yet you wouldn't know or think this if you listen to Sikh parchaar and discourse in Gurdwaras. They give the impression Sikhi has been one long uninterrupted line of adherence beginning from 1469 to today. I would argue it was only with the lehars of the late 70s and 80s where the Sikh identity was magnified for obvious reasons, did this "dipping toes in both waters" begin to recede or at least go underground, although I'd argue in the past ten years our people over there have started to openly revert to Hindu cultural practices once again under the guise of non-descript Punjabi-ism. It's a very interesting conversation.

How long can a religion such as ours (with an obviously floundering birthrate and adherence levels, terrible political leadership, and ignorant and unrelatable religious hierarchy) with a heavily interdependent shared mythology with the original "brand", resist a gradual reabsorption into the main branch? It'll take some doing to resist.

4 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

Communist with an intense dislike of religion and religious fervour.

Good Lord.

7 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

You need to get a grip.

People are joking in this thread about Tupac and Biggie. But the sad thing is that there are some black people who go overboard about the significance of their deaths. Some of them act like a destructive, ignorant, hot-headed m0r0n like Tupac was some sort of hero who was going to uplift the black community. Why? Because he would occasionally say something thoughtful, while 95% of his music was pure ignorance and hate? Tupac had a far greater negative impact than positive, and he died because he was an idi0t who tried to live up to his ignorant lyrics. When a community is ready to make a hero/martyr out of someone like that, it is indicative of some very fundamental problems with the community. I am guessing you are Canadian or British, but FYI the black community in the US is not in good shape.

Similarly, it is ridiculous that so many Punjabis are making out these recent Sidhu deaths (why are they all Sidhus? lol) to mean so much. I don't know why Punjabis worship these stupid celebrities.

Let us please try to raise our standards.

We need to produce normal, grounded, relatable leaders and role models with integrity and knowledge of how things truly work. Celebrities and, even the other extreme, hardcore brahmgyanis locked away in their religious compounds with little understanding of what life is like for the average person, are just no help to anyone.

23 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

@dallysingh101 

I don't think you understand context i am saying this under. Ofc i agree with what punjabi culture has become BUT look at the deaths in Panjab ..under AAP..40+ murders under Maan. They took out Deep Sidhu, then kabbadi player Sandeep who spoke against drugs in Panjab and now Sidhu....

What's the ideological "leaning" of AAP if you had to describe it according to Left vs Right in Anglo nations? Congress is currently - I suppose - what Labour in the UK / Democrats in the U.S. are globalist, Islamo-appeasing, neo-liberals, while BJP are Conservatives / "India First" Republicans? Or do those labels not apply to the sabji that is Punjabi politics, lmao?

What a gandhu.

1 hour ago, proudkaur21 said:

We were almost decimated once before too. I know that as long as we stay true to the guru there will be a way. God will make the circumstances that will pave the way for us to rise again just like it was last time. That doesnt mean we have to put no effort. Look at ukraine. Dont think a few months ago anyone thought this would happen. The world is unpredictable. Anything can happen at any moment. I just know that god will never let the truth be lost. 

When the United States sent Ukraine military aid and support, they didn't send them bandages, Dettol, and a shoulder to cry on.

You realise American and British special forces are most likely tearing up Russian forces over there? The wind didn't just change, and a useless little country like Ukraine started to stem the Russian tide. Why'd do you think there's a selective media dampening of coverage? When the Yanks and British hand Ukraine victory, then the Western propaganda will start up again about the resilient Ukrainian fightback against the Russian Goliath.

Sikh's craving saviours is why we're going to disappear.

3 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

@dallysingh101

Cant the police arrest them? These well know gangs in Panjab...We are talking about the Panjab police here. Do they not have intelligence services out there that well known for harassing / killing Sikhs after 84...lets not bury our heads in the sands...gov/agencies are behind those gangs..

 

If these same armed guys were flying Khalistani flags and shouting Sikh slogans, there'd be commandos swooping in from helicopters to take them out, lol. Instead, because they're fighting over drugs and other nonsense, the State wants to watch the tamasha so they kill each other off. Less potential reformed Sikhs to develop a conscience.

On the bright side, perhaps these armed Jatt soorme will be the only thing that stands in the way of Muslims when they begin to show their hand in Punjabi pinds.

11 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Read about Mossad when Israel was created and how they took out their enemies..its crazy ruthless world. 

Yes, I read on this subject extensively a couple of years ago. Really opened my eyes to a lot of things. It's a cold, cold world. Injustice and justice is irrelevant. Those who act get things done.

But you need resources, a vision, and cohesion where it matters. We are severely deficient in all three, and the latter two attributes can't be taught or bought. Our general 5hitty, small-mindedness and lack of imagination is a cancer for us. False hope is also a fatal flaw. It's actually worse than doing nothing.

9 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

The call to arms was prior to the government scaling back security. It was more like petty politics by AAP given that the Jathedar had only 4 security men to begin with. In comparison, Kejriwal gets 90 Punjab Police Personnel (even though he resides in Delhi) and Raghav Chada gets 50. Also, these are not temporary scale backs. Bhagwant Mann has in fact requested and received 100 companies of the Indo-Tibetan Border Patrol force to "keep the peace". Interestingly, the Jathedaar's call was made after this police build-up in the state.

Almost no point in withdrawing those 4 men from the Jathedar when others have considerably more personnel assigned to them. Does seem very petty. Question is why is Bhagwant butting heads with the jathedar?

Could this all (including the Moosewala death) be an elaborate "false-flag" by Congress to weasel their way back into Punjabi-Sikh affections, and eventually the state itself?

Our "masters" aren't even pretending to keep their maanta of evil beings and forces undercover anymore. It's being celebrated in the open.