MisterrSingh

I would think so. But those who do it usually present some loophole or another that justifies it, lol. I stopped caring a while ago. It's just amusing to see, that's all.

Their real lives are barely distinguishable from the roles they play, lol. It's all fantasy.

It's worrying to hear such sentiments from gianis and parcharaks when they take to the stage at some of our biggest takhts in India. This happens too regularly for my liking at places like Bangla Sahib. There's absolutely zero understanding of the wider world and the way things are shaping up on the international stage between various religions, cultures, and communities, because whilst the sentiment of friendship and cordiality is admirable, these so-called learned individuals should also possess foresight enough to understand that people of their status and position should not be seen to be encouraging relationships where we -- as the comparative minority and smaller religion -- will struggle to maintain in a way that benefits us as a faith and community. That's without taking into account those of us who are all too eager to quote lines -- out of context -- from Sikh teachings and scripture in order to justify and illustrate modern lifestyles, choices, and trends. These people live in their own little world, and yet they purport to possess such knowledge that encompasses every facet of existence.

It's quite common. Of course, they'll try to convince you that's how it grows naturally, lol.

Who knows. We think it's a choice because it's clear not all Muslims are walking around with hijabs or burkhas, but it could be a case of picking and choosing what parts of Islam to follow or not. That's not something that's exclusive to them.

They're burkhas, the full body coverings.

I think what upsets some people is the u-turns in philosophy. I guess some of her followers feel she's undermined her faith by abandoning an article of clothing that symbolises a certain level of adherence to that faith. I suppose it's easier to understand if we compare it to when people of our background cut their kesh, etc.

I recognise this lady. She was being pushed hard a few years ago on YouTube as a hijabi-wearing vlogger. From the few videos of hers I watched, they were focused somewhat on her identity as a Muslim female, particularly her adherence to her faith, which I suppose most people would define as her covering her head. I'm surprised she's removed her head covering.

No female responses, lol. Coz they bleach or trim it, even the amritdhari bibiya.

Yes, women of all races and ethnicities have that type of fuzz. It's not a big deal, and certainly not limited to amritdhari females.

Unfortunately, most males (nevermind young Singhs) are what is commonly referred to as thirsty, lol. They've been conditioned since a very young age to believe certain things and when this is coupled with a lack of exposure to the female nature in an amorous sense, the inexperienced male mind is overwhelmed and is unable to discern fact from fiction. There's nothing more sad than seeing a good guy being taken for a ride by a scheming girl, and he simply can't see it because he hasn't been equipped with the necessary skills and life experiences to deal with these situations. I'm not suggesting all females are scheming vixens hoping to get their claws into a weak yet decent man who'll paper over the cracks of their indiscretions, but the attractive ones who invariably cultivate a colourful past as a result of their own ego and poor decision-making (to put it mildly), should be avoided at all costs. If you're a Singh with an affinity for Guru Sahib and Sikhi, and you end up coming across these types of females, don't trade what you have with God for the superficial and fleeting attention and so-called highs you'll invariably experience in these particular situations. Your own fathers will never inform you of such realities, because they're unfortunately clueless about these issues. Let me be your daddy for a few moments. ? I reiterate: as much as it's easy to stick the knife into female nature, the male nature is as much infuriating and weak in its own way. Boys and men -- even the mediocre, average sorts -- have way too much ego than what is warranted by the reality of their capabilities and their appeal. Humility, self-awareness, and honesty are qualities that males should seek to develop. For Sikhs, Gurbani assists us in this endeavour, but only if you "do" Sikhi the right way. I'm not going to tell you what the "right" way is, because if you even have to ask that question, it's likely you aren't at the stage in life where you'll accept and embrace the answer.

I tend to believe the children who've fallen prey to the groomers are the true victims. Plus, it's not merely about age and applying a certain cut-off point after which someone is adjudged to be lying. In the cases of university-age Sikh girls, one can easily discern whether the victim is an actual victim of grooming, or whether they've been playing with fire and find themselves in over their heads, and realise the only way out of the situation is to cry wolf. I've heard of many, many cases where the latter was discovered to be true after some investigation. The "no makeup and head covered with a chunni" routine once the 5hit hits the fan is a surprisingly common tactic to fool certain individuals into believing the "victim" was blameless. It's a dark, dark world out there. Keep your eyes open. If it's too good to be true, it usually is.

Classic female ploy to deflect blame, claim victim status, and not accept responsibility for one's actions. The idea is to portray themselves as the victim of a great deception instigated by the duplicitous male where these females were "duped" into parting with their chastity. They're fully aware of what they were doing at the time. Don't entertain such fantasy, because once you present the slightest notion of sympathising with such nonsense, you are inadvertently enabling their behaviour. Shame is what's required. Bring back a little shame, lmao!

And it's an argument that ignores an important possibility: maybe most of these people actually like being Muslims, lol? Shocking, I know, but there it is. Most people are very protective and sensitive of their religious belonging especially in the eastern third world. It displays an incredible sense of arrogance to assume huge swathes of a population would revert to a way of life that hasn't been a factor in their lives for hundreds upon hundreds of years.

Someone wants to strengthen Hindu numbers and see them flourish. ?

I'm referring to generalities: behaviour, mindset, etc. The statue issue is not a problem for me. Protest is a good thing. If that means up-and-coming youngsters succumbing to the odd bit of impetuousness here and there I don't think it's too much of a problem. Other developed races have a social conscience, and every successive generation rallies against the norms of its previous generation. That's how discussions are started, and it's a good thing on the whole. But what I'm warning against is dancing to the beat of someone else's drum. And I'm referring to EVERY instance of such situations, not just the the obvious sort that we can discern to be in opposition to us. More often than not our so-called friends and allies are also taking us for a ride for their own ends, but we rarely, if ever, allow ourselves to challenge them because their language is one of superficial friendship and conciliation, whereas behind the sentiments and kind words lay as much potential problems for us as the issues we'd face from straightforward threats that we identify with ease. That's where my belief that we should pick our battles comes into play. There's a stereotype that we go bustling and charging into battle at the slightest instigation; shoot first, ask questions later. I'm saying we need to change.

All I can say is we need to learn to pick our battles. Wearing our hearts on our sleeves is a trait we must discard. Most of the times we think we're being noble and direct is usually a precursor to us falling on our backsides and making fools of ourselves. We have a fatal flaw in our nature that is actually quite embarrassing: the desire to be praised and noticed. It's a childish and generally small mindset. It leads us to try and set ourselves apart at the most inopportune moments. We try to emulate the feats of gods and saints -- because we assume that's what they would've wanted -- but we struggle to understand context because we get so high on a sense of certainty that we lose perspective. I'm wasting my time. It is beyond us as a race and a people to develop these traits. That's not fatalistic thinking; it's cold facts based on decades of history and experience. Ours is a community that is not so special that it cannot disappear. Pain is a wonderful teacher. Perhaps a harsh lesson is required?

I understand it all. I just happen to prioritise and compartmentalise based on context and situations. I don't play the same tune 24/7, 365 days a year like you and Jagsaw. No, that doesn't mean I'm not a man of my convictions; far from it. Our history has taught us time and time again that playing it straight has gotten us absolutely nowhere. You aren't interested in formulating plans and implementing solutions; you and the likes of Jagsaw just seem to spout ideologies rooted in whatever personal trauma and experiences you've encountered in your own lives, and extrapolate those occurrences to the wider community, i.e. the rest of us. It displays an incredibly limited, narrow, and somewhat immature mindset that isn't helping our cause at all. If I, as a fellow brother, is pushing your buttons -- and holding back in many respects because I do genuinely like and respect you -- then imagine what someone genuinely hostile to your opinions will say and do to get a reaction. You can misrepresent my arguments as you've been doing in order to attempt to emerge victorious in this little meaningless t1t for tat, but it just means we'll end up at square one. "My" people are your people. The fact that's something you struggle to comprehend even at this relatively late stage of the game suggests you simply cannot be relied upon or trusted.

You continue to prove my point. Misrepresenting my arguments -- especially with you being intelligent enough to understand my points -- just makes you seem very biased, unstable and unreasonable. The video you posted above makes you seem foolish. You're coming across like an emotional woman lashing out in anger.

To be honest, you're the last person I'd be able to have a balanced and nuanced conversation on this subject. The first sentence you wrote was exactly what I said we shouldn't do, yet you give the impression I'm endorsing attending the next EDL or BNP get together, lol. You aren't exactly known for being even-handed, are you? You must acknowledge your own blind spots, surely?

And from where does this anti-British sentiment stem from? It's part of the mindset which suggests that factors such as patriotism and pride in one's culture that sets us apart from others is deemed to be equivalent to racism and genocide; that the first Britons thousands of years ago were black (?). If you support a media and press that consistently emphasises that even the adorning of a national flag is an act of aggression and racism, then eventually the susceptible and easily led members of society -- a category in which sheep-like Sikhs fall into much too readily -- will succumb to that pressure and begin spouting off certain sentiments without thinking them through and tracing their natural conclusion. Ours is the one of the middle path; neither for nor against. Most will convince you this is straddling both sides. No, it is one of balance. Without balance there is always excess. Certain individuals cannot have it both ways and then complain and cry when the chickens come home to roost. If they possessed insight beyond the end of their nose, they'd realise occasionally it is necessary to side with the devil you know, for as long as it's pertinent, than throw in your all with the devil you don't. Again, most of us simply are incapable of holding two conflicting concepts and ideas simultaneously. It's too much for simple minds.

Yes, that's called bisexuality; apparently it's under the LGBT umbrella, too. ?

Although a paedo is a paedo, I think there might be a difference between the South East Asian psychology and related societal dynamics that informs the mindset of one of your nonces Vs one from the West. Although, I think you are subtlety obfuscating the argument to draw attention away from that idea that male paedophiles who target boys do possess homosexual leanings.

That doesn't make sense. So why not target a female child if innocence, hairlessness, and tenderness is what attracts these paedos?

Never heard a peep from OP on 1984, Jaliawalabagh, and Partition, but when it comes to his high-caste ancestors being massacred, then he gets the violins out.