MisterrSingh

You're looking at the issue from a solely Islamic and sexual violence perspective, but it's more complex than that. Much more. What most people are concerned about are the overwhelming numbers of migrants arriving (even from places like Bulgaria, Romania, etc), not just the Muslim angle. The grooming issue is separate to the migrant issue, because, in the UK, the grooming is mostly undertaken by 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, i.e. "British" citizens, whereas recent cases of Muslim sexual assaults in places like Germany, Sweden, etc., that have hit the headlines are concerning the largely Syrian and Iraqi refugees who began to arrive last summer. It's the new arrivals from places like Syria that have put immigration into sharp focus in terms of Brexit.

Constant top-ups aren't helping matters, lol. Also, grooming certainly goes on in Britain, and the Pakistani community is disproportionately at the forefront of those issues in areas where they live in considerable numbers, but it's not like every single Muslah is at it. Yeah, I know, I'm being reasonable.

If the west hadn't interfered in the Middle East throughout the last century, particularly when places like Iran, Afghanistan, etc, were on the verge of secularisation, the world would've been so very different at this moment. The proxy wars between the U.S. and its allies and the Russians have put those parts of the world back hundreds of years. The U.S. was playing kingmaker, and with the West's dependence on Saudi oil and the Saudi promotion of Wahabbism, the Americans have unleashed a genie they thought they could control but they simply cannot. Even now, they fail to understand the cultural and religious subtleties of that entire region. The Musleh are making the best of their opportunities. There's a hugely intricate game being played at the moment.

He's a Turkish nationalist more than anything, but he has moments where he unleashes his inner Ahmedinajad and goes hell for leather for the Islamic cause. He's playing Europe like a fiddle, and he's getting away with it.

Makes you realise how helpless we are in places like the UK. I'm not a fantasist who dreams of springing into action like John McClane if something was going down around me, but how on earth can we defend ourselves if the unthinkable ever happened? Of course, running is the most realistic option, but what if one was trapped and had no choice to fight our way out? Against a madman with a gun, or even a mob with blunt weapons it just isn't going to happen. Everyone thinks they'll be a hero if that situation ever arose, but real life is not a Hollywood film. Heroes do not arrive at the last minute to save the day.

Tough to say as I don't have official figures to hand, but anecdotally, the thought of Britain leaving the EU prior to the migrant crisis was unlikely. There have always been rumblings about a referendum, etc., but nobody actually believed Britain would ever opt out of the EU. Now, if polls are to be believed, it seems Britain is on the verge of exiting the EU.

Can't dispute any of that. But keep an eye on the bigger picture: that's something I occasionally lose sight of when I start to get pi55ed off with Muslims. They're being enabled. If the West wasn't so dependent on Saudi oil and riddled by a misguided sense of political correctness, they would've been put in their place a while ago. Muslims are only making the most of a welcoming situation. The blame lies with the western establishment.

To be fair, they do turn up anywhere there's prosperity like most migrants looking for economic opportunities. Canada, Australia, New Zealand are getting an influx of Muslim migrants in recent years (not necessarily refugees), and they certainly aren't in the EU. The geographical location of Europe to the Middle East also plays a part as well.

The Brexit issue is larger than immigration. It's about trade, industry, autonomy, etc. It's not just about migrants, although that is an issue that is in sharp focus due to recent history.

The same thugees in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? Kali Maa Shakti deh?

It is quite complex to highlight those occasionally subtle differences without becoming lost in semantics. I just think it's a culture of laziness at times. Some of it might also be mischief making in order to undermine Sikhi. Ultimately, it's the job of Sikhs to get that information out there and ensure it's accurate and verifiable, because if we don't do that, then others with agendas will come along.

Examples?

My word, that is total madness.

Don't be that guy.

Forget science. Become a wandering ascetic with a nice side-line in fighting crime using martial arts. You don't need science.

Much like the questioning of Dasam Bani, i.e. a common occurence that will causes trouble amongst Sikhs on a wider basis, as opposed to a few pockets of troublemakers / trolls who want to divide the Sikh kaum by sewing seeds of doubt into the minds of the people. I hate to say it, but such is the direction of the wind in these current times, I can see many irreligious acts that are generally considered to be forbidden for us will gradually begin to make their way into Sikhi. That's what happens when you fragment an already relatively small religious population by splintering off into smaller sects within sects, making it increasingly difficult to regulate what's being preached and taught to its followers.

Exactly. I can foresee a time where taking amrit and becoming a Gursikh will begin to be questioned, because it's not explicitly specified in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It'll happen one day, unfortunately.

The ones who count themselves as religious, god-fearing Sikhs (I.e. Gursikhs) are the people caught up in this nonsense. The others I don't care, they can do what they want.

Nobody cares, bhenji. Why would they, when Sikhi has become a religious buffet that individuals pick and choose which aspects of it to follow according to lifestyle requirements and tastes? The lessons found in Sikh scriptures should be enough for us all. What else do we need in order to stay on the straight and narrow?

Up until around 15 years ago when I was a kid, marriage according to Jatha wasn't even a thing. It didn't register at all. Lmao, well done, we really are determined to stamp ourselves out of existence. Well, survival of the fittest and all that. If a race is determined to destroy itself, that can only be a good thing. Suicide is preferable to murder I suppose.

Sikh guys are cucked by their parents, a hypocritical and degenerate Punjabi culture, then by a distorted and increasingly weak western society, and then they get married, lol. Just cut your balls off when you emerge from the womb, and make everyone happy, lol. OP: Learn your lesson from this and grow.

Like I said earlier, we were so desperate to give the Indians a bloody nose that we failed to be sensible when choosing our allies. That coupled with a complete lack of a Plan B meant we were cornered and destroyed. Yeah, I'm not fond of Islam or Muslims, but for good reason. I won't apologise for that. Not at all.

Me? I never raised the subject of Pakistan helping the Singhs. In fact, I even went as far to say to say that nobody has ever openly discussed on this site what role they played in Sikh separatism, if any. I responded to your points about Bhutto / ISI betraying Sikhs. I didnt even realise there was a Pakistani involvement until a couple of years ago. Don't go below the belt by trying to shut me up by labeling me as pro-Indian govt. That's pendu politics, and something I didn't expect from you.

My issue lies not with Pakistan per se; they're entitled to do whatever they want to further their strategic interests. I do have a problem with our Singhs allying themselves with the followers of a faith that even Guru Gobind Singh Ji had stated cannot be trusted, because they've been proven to be liars despite swearing on their Koran. That's one bachchan of Dasme Paatshah that was conveniently forgotten at a time when it was perhaps essential to adhere to. And as history eventually proved, it cost us dearly. The reluctance to honestly and openly question some of the poor decisions made by the Singhs that resulted in the death and destruction of hordes of the Sikh population is quite baffling to me. NOBODY is being an armchair general, or a "hero" after the fact. None of us are fit to lace the boots of those Singhs who fought for Sikhi, and gave their lives at Harmandir Sahib. Yet, it doesn't make any Sikh disloyal to question whether the decisions they made at the time was the best course of action to take. It's what anyone who isn't a sheep should do. I'm arguing that the fight was necessary, BUT our choice of ally was completely misguided, and strategically, historically, and theologically a very poor choice. If some of you aren't convinced, let's look at the situation from a wholly spiritual perspective. Logicians, rationalists, and others of similar persuasions don't need to read on: