Singhberkshire

Doesnt surprise me this kind of talk and arrogance from a committee member. It is Parwinder Singh ...... Like i said before ....Its the way forward folks.....name and shame these besharam idiots. They are the reason for the number of sham interfaith weddings beadbi. Yet they dont want to be questioned by anyone. Yes they know who they are dipping their hands in the funds. Its the only reason they wont leave. I suggest all the gurdwara member engaging in these practices are named and shamed here so it is out in the open who these people are.

Big Respect to you. I too have refused to take part in these sham weddings.

you obviously are not reading the forum well to think the above. Like many have pointed out to you Sikh men are having the finger pointed at them too. There are now many sikh boys/men marrying guji girls in our gurdwaras. There are sikh boys marrying muslim girls in our gurdwaras. There have been for at least 15 years now sikh boys/men marrying white goriya whether they are polish , british, latvian or irish. Read the forum properly and then speak otherwise you tend to look a bit silly with your dated accusations

Youve got is all wrong pal. Like i said before it appears you are around coconuts. Bit of advice...Get out and about a bit more. Meet the world . All the very best

Common occurrence this.... Sadly the old boys don't see fit to see it any other way. Best thing is to name and shame. Another Gurdwaras in Southall allowing this practice is Ramgharia Gurdwaras Oswald Road. They have a purpose built small "gurdwara" built at rear of main gurdwara on the premises itself. Here they hold regular weddings to Gujus, Gorey, thavay and most recently Muslim yes Muslim to Sikh anand karaj. Proof is wedding on 24 th May of Ramgharia lad to a Algerian Muslim girl. We were told by multiple sources these besharam Oswald Road committee allowed it due to the groom being grandson of life long committee member/founder. They try to dodge the local sang at by holding these sham anand karaj on weekdays. Or "after hours" on Sunday's after sang at has left. Yes if you're reading this committee of Oswald Road Gurdwara you know who you are don't you? Shame on you boys real shame.

All i can say after reading his bakwaas is he must be living within a circle of friends/relatives who are damn outright coconuts. I've never heard so much rubbish come out of ones mouth. Sunday roasts? Who is this Joker?

Thing the guy is out of touch.....sunday Roasts? Where do u get that from?.

Not as easy as that....not with all the corruption and hogging of commitees. The old boys will not budge and I have even seen in one gurdwara it came to a full on fisty punchup in front of sangat on a Sunday morning. If one tries to vote another out they are seen as troublemakers and can seen in bad light amongst our close community. They all have their own "reasons" not wanting to step down or be voted out. For example one Gurdwara in Southall the Pardan's son was a mortgage broker. When the Gurdwara decided to purchase some properties yes they went to him. And yes he offered the Gurdwara the worst possible deal on a interest only mortgage term. Why I hear you say?...Because his commission was a dream earner. It was all stamped up by the Pardan and his son now at the age of 47 sits retired. Yes he made that much money from the commission that he retired!! Left the Sangat to pick up the pieces financially. They only got found out when during an audit questions were asked about why the hell they were obscene amounts in payments..... And yes the pardan still sits there in power.....

Parents and Gurdwaras fault. They know who they are. And this is a problem stretching across the world young man. Some areas of Sikhi being adhered to are way off in parts of USA and Canada and Oz

I hate to say this but the sad truth why the parents allow this to happen is because they have become scared of their kids...daughters and sons alike. Yes its true... Gone are the days where kids respected their folks and would not even think about bringing on such shame. Instead parents are running scared of their kids and have very openly accepted such relationships. Gurdwaras?....Well I cannot stress enough it is partially greed and partially the old boys network....They cannot refuse old boys they've known for years. They have become shameless. Yes shameless to the point that sikh boys and girls and their parents are now confident enough to hold anand karaj in our Gurdwaras. My goodness it does upset me a great deal to think what our Gurus would be thinking. Waheguru waheguru waheguru. Sanoo guruji maffi theywo. Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru. Please note I have no problem Sikhi boys and girls wanting to carry on with muslims or the like. But waheguru please please PLEASE!! NOT IN FRONT OF OUR GURU MAHARAJ...take it elsewhere. And to those parents who approach Gurdwaras omitting the partners full name and religion. For wahegurus sake please be honest at least in a Gurdwara. Is it too much to ask. Take this kind of behaviours elsewhere and keep it out. Waheguru Waheguru.

And how would this solve the Mums of such girls who are happy for such weddings to go ahead?.. Im on your side brother but would like to know how would it sway the poisioned mums?

As far as I am concerned it is game over when our Gurdwaras allow the anand karaj of such weddings. There is very little we can do until these old boys who choose to turn a blind eye and bless these weddings during weekday weddings or "after hours" on Sundays when the sangat is safely on their way home. These Gurdwaras are completely shameless. By them allowing this to have happened has worsened the problem. The parents of girls are slowly believeing that it is ok to participate in such relations and I am sick of hearing the old line of "well so and so's daughter did it so we said ok as well". Its fast becoming common knowledge and a common scene to witness such weddings. I know of a girl who wanted to marry a somlian guy in a west london gurdwara. The date was set - a weekday again- but sadly for her some local boys found out what was about to happen and put a stop to the gurdwara going ahead. So what does the girl and her parents do? Yes they move onto the next gurdwara who gladly took her money and held the anand karaj of her and her somalian fiance in a backdoor anand karak on a sunday afternoon. Sadly for us it is becoming game over and I blame the gurdwaras and more importantly the PARENTS of such Sikhs who have allowed this to happen. I know of a another gurdwara in Southall on Oswald Road. They too are happy to proceed with girls or boys marrying muslims. Only in May they blessed a Sikh boy marrying his Muslim girlfriend.....and before you ask no the girl is no convert and still practices Islam. The reason Oswald Road allowed it to happen?....Because the boy was a grandson of one of the committee members. And then the word gets round and some other Sikh mum appear and say "hey my daughter wants to marry a Jameel can she too have her wedding here?....and before you know it the Gurdwara is obliged to. Its a sad but true fact. It really is game over.

Even bigger fools are the so called Gurdwaras allowing this to happen on there premises. A well known Gurdwara in Southall have been allowing Anand Karaj of such weddings in a secret back room on Sunday mornings away from the main gurdwara sangat. they know who they are.... Yes if you are reading this SHAME ON YOU!!

Oh think you may have me wrong pal.....i object to it both ways....sikh guys with muslim girls in Gurdwara and sikh girls with muslim boys in gurdwara....IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ANAND KARAJ FULL STOP,. My point was gurdwaras have become a business.....very very very sadly that is fact. But to me it is rubbing our historys noses in it.

There is a gurdwara in Southall carrying out Anand Kharaj to a Sikh boy to his Muslim girlfriend this month Saturday May 24th. I had bought this to the attention of our Sanagt earlier last month which sparked an interesting debate. It surprised me the amount of private messages I received telling me that I was old fashioned and to "be in line with todays trend". I for obvious reason quite openly object to this and am finding it a very sad state of affairs that our gurdwaras have allowed this to happen. I am still hoping with me are others who can turn these gurdwaras to see sense rather than the money

topic closed. Many thanks to those with sensible inputs

Ignore pappiman. I'm quite sure he is here to wind people up. MAny have sent me a private message expressing their concern and have reported him to forum administrators for using such degrading terms. The guy quite clearly : a) a fanatic or b) requires professional help. Ignore him

May I ask why you again quote on mona? What about the Sikhs with turbans who I know to smoke/drink and even take the occasional spliff?..And not to mention the Mcdonalds big mac they scoff down? It is not only the mona who are doing this?. Look at the way Singh Sikhs behave on Vasaikhi? Bottle of lager in one hand with Sikh Khanda flag in other.. And the girls who with bottle of wine in one hand wearing a Sikh Khanda handkerchief on their head while danceing to the dhol outside of gurdwara....Yes its true. I see this with my own eyes whilst inside the gurdwara premises.If you dont believe this I invite you to go to Southall/Bham and the likes....Court marriage is best for these boys AND girls too.... Are you suggesting it is ok for them to Anand Karaj because they wear a turban? Ive never heard such rubbish and am wondering why on earth I bothered coming here on this forum but for the few who have private messaged me showing support. All the very best

A protest is one thing and should always be peaceful. But it always gets out of a hand at such protests....something we do NOT want . As for forcefully removing GGSJ from premises I WOULD NEVER EVER ENCOURAGE SUCH A THING. A GURDWARA IS A SACRED PLACE. The fact that the people running it are breaking common ground rules should not not mean having to forcefully remove the GGSJ. Brother one big mistake you have made here. The people running it should be made to leave. Not our GuruJi

Nobody shouted making myself clear having asked a few times now

EVERYONE PLEASE STOP!! THIS IS GOING WAY OFF TRACK. PLEASE STICK TO THE ORIGINAL POST

Ok now listen this is getting off the topic again. Please refrain from doing this and keep all comments on the subject of gurdwaras allowing interfaith weddings. The original post by me was questioning a gurdwara who are giving their blessing to a Sikh boy and a muslim girl

SinghSabha....what exactly is your point here? I think we will have to agree to disagree.... All the best Singhsabha

SinghSabha your suggestion that I am trying to break link is unfounded. I do not know where you get this from. The couple in question have no intention of ever adapting Sikhism. It is the parents who feel it Anand Karaj should be conducted in a gurdwara. I have never ever seen the couiple in a gurdwara full stop. In fact I would never even dream of trying to get them to see ways. The guy smokes and drinks like a fish.....the girl in question also smokes and I have seen her in our town with a bottle of what looked like cider in her hand struggling in her heels. She has no intention whatsoever of becoming a Sikh....what on EARTH gives you this idea?. I feel you are obviously completely disengaged to the real world and are instead trying very very sadly to justify the situation. There is not justification for our gurdwaras allowing this .. Once again my question is WHY, OH WHY do our gurdwaras allow this? Lets not sell our souls for a mere few hundred quid

root problem?....I blame the parents of these kids. I'm sorry if this upsets people here. I have see in one family where the whole family ganged up on a girl who wanted to marry a Ramgharia boy. Family said this can never happen Jatts marrying Ramgharia....What you will read next is truth and nothing but truth. 10 years later another girl from family pipes up she wants to marry a gorah. This goes ahead. A year later another girl from family shows up with a Guju boy and says she wants to marry him. It goes ahead. At both of these wedding the Baba of the family - the eldest grandfather - was dancing at both weddings and even had his arms wrapped around the gorah when she married his grandaughter. Same man who turned alot of the family to gang up on the girl who wanted to marry a Ramgharia. When he was pressed on this the answer was "that is how we thought back then". To me that was not an answer because what is different about our roots and culture now? Someone in the family said at time "it is matter of time before we see one of our kids walk home with a kala or muslim soon". At the time I thought he was wrong. But yes a family relative soon sent wedding invites out to rest of family their girl marrying a kala. I know alot of the younger folk who did not attend. (And yes he left her with a kid and she's now back with her family who took her back in) I have also very sadly noticed that alot of these parents are of the kind where they like a good drink or two and can often be seen at wedding completely plastered hence the lack of guidance and not exactly being the role model we should be. I have even seen with my own eyes at what is fast becoming almost normal is fathers pouring their daughters alcohol spirits and then dancing inappropriatley on the dancefloor. Completely shameless I have seen as others have mentioned it is us younger folk who are standing up to this with older parents accepting this as perfectly ok. I have even seen parents rowing with siblings of girls/boys who want to have a out of faith marriage. Yes they are standing up to siblings fighting thier corner saying "well at least she is happy". It is fast becoming a sad state of affairs.