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I don't agree at all. I think certain closet casteists miss him and his ramblings. I think his plan is to encourage casteism and then support connections with that community who've made a rep for themselves with their grooming 'skills' because they often come from the same beloved caste biraderi as him. That's probably the real reason he ignores or plays down how our community has been targeted in my opinion. Plus he really is inconsistent with his thoughts. A few years ago he was actually saying that he believed that goray invading and 'annexing' Panjab was the best thing that happened to us Sikhs (he actually said this as West London 'Singh'), whereas a few days ago he was crying about how he's never had issues with sullay but has had a lot of negative influence on his life by goray. Might be issues with his meds that makes his opinions swing so wildly?

He should sod off to juttworld.com and paedogroomersymphathisers.co.uk - that's where he belongs.

At this stage I think that is harder to do than it appears on the surface, and I think this is because of the key difference of all Abrahamic faiths being what we call dualistic or binary in that they've got a clear demarcation between good-evil, God-Devil so it is very black and white in that respect. I think this leads to externalising our 'bad' actions as derived from external nefarious sources as opposed to the the result of our own internal base natures? Also, linguistically, we do rely on translations in Christianity and although there is nothing wrong with this, I do belief that this can be dangerous due to potential mistranslations. I do wonder if in the effort to remove perceived superstitions and excessive rituals (which is understandable) reformist Christians lost some key elements of mystical spirituality from their religion? A lot of it does seem rooted in identity politics between England and Europe and exerting an independent identity from the RC church as opposed to matters of spirituality? (no offence meant here) Yes I would agree that people seem naturally flawed. I think another key difference between Sikhi and Christianity (at least in its modern form) is the practice of simran or meditation. This is a main vehicle to connect to the divine. Also the externalising of God in Abrahamic faiths (God as an anthropomorphic entity that is separate from us) as opposed to the internalisation in Sikhi. You know (as an aside), I've always wondered why most major religions originate from countries with hot climates, be this India, Arabia, Mid-east etc. do you think there may be a link between religious thought and weather? I've always suspected that the cold here might have something to do with most English people not being remotely religious - but I've also heard that the carnage witnessed in the world wars also shook the faith of the indigenous and led to a decline in faith.

Don't they have any sort of planning permission/listed buildings type thing going on over there?

So you think people that critique certain aspects of society and history here should all sod off do you? There are plenty of things that I do like about the culture but that doesn't mean that I pretend to like the stuff that I don't. I think this is healthy.

The neighbours of my nana's house back home had some mad issues apparently (I think a lot of them got killed in an accident, then further calamities happened), and one of the last surviving members of the family hung themselves there. The house was empty for a good while fat rewards (might still be?) and apparently you could hear bhoots roaming around at night (but I don't know, might have been stray cats?) My nani would tell us some crazy ghost stories but I don't know. She was a proper textbook unparh pendu women (God bless her) and once, I told one of her stories to another guy whose family was from miles away - and he said that he heard the exact same story from his grandmother. I think bibis like that do indulge in some tales and make out like they were eye witnesses.

Wow.

Yep. That's one I forgot. The old: "We aren't like that now!" Despite the fact that they won't blink to jump into any foreign country to grab resources (often with England tagging along like an opportunistic poodle) leaving death, mayhem and instability in their wake - which they then profit from by 'rebuilding' the nation they've destroyed. I got to say. In my lifetime I've seen the former soviet union go from being a war torn, dark grim looking place where people had to queue up for hours just to get basic food stuff, to a now prosperous, developed looking nation under Putin. I know you can't be an angel to do that but respect where it is due. People used to laugh at Russia but he managed to get their respect and strength back. Ona raj-niti tip apnay can learn a lot from that.

This is really interesting. Gives another take on western feminism. You know sometimes I think apneean are well behind the curve on this. I talked to one (very well educated and successful) British-African women about this a while ago and she was telling me about how she doesn't support 'feminism' because she thought it was a white women thing, and how it totally ignored racism by white men against other non-goray males - in effect negating the experiences that her brothers, nephews or sons might have. So she was talking about 'womenism' which was distinct from feminism in that it recognised that women do need a voice and do face unfair inequalities but also acknowledged structural racism and other nuances. She also said that intergender behaviour differs between cultures in that what may be perceived as intrusive harassment by females in one culture might be perceived in other less hostile ways by another culture. Interesting topic.

A Panjabi Miss Haversham maybe? Maybe one of those women who got married to a pardesi, who was then discarded after he had his wicked way and gotteh dowry? She's still waiting for him to return from Canada. That's why she was waiting.

Well it is to me. I mean the foundation seems rotten when you've a wife beheading psycho as the founder of a religious movement. I mean, how much was that guy influenced by the life and teachings of Jesus? And Queen Elizabeth's family are the number one beneficiaries of all the looting, pillaging and raping the indigenous have been indulging in over the centuries. It's easy to be sitting on the accumulated wealth of only God knows how many murdered and displaced people and periodically going abroad to watch some dumb natives do some exotic dances for your entertainment. Whilst you preside over a 'kingdom' where inequality is a norm. People sleep in shop front stores. Poverty and lack of opportunity is rife. Poor old people don't have money to heat their houses in winter. Hell, we've even got an epidemic of youths stabbing each other to death here the opportunities for them are so dire..... Let's not forget that we've had thousands and thousands of vulnerable females (including Sikh ones) being raped and abused on industrial scales here, all whilst the police, government and social services have sat around like a bunch of clowns often actually helping the perpetrators do this. I don't know what planet english christians are on. Look at what you've got going on in your country. Sikhs are allowed by faith to kill for self-defence, Christians are explicitly not supposed to kill. They've still managed to outdo us with their murderousness in spite of this. And I'm not saying that we don't have bad people amongst us. But you English people are often in straight denial about what you truly are or or trying to hide under a facade.

You don't understand goray. They either have major cognitive dissonance going on about these things and do all the usual (denial, suppressed thoughts, throwing blame on others) or they actually sadistically love what they've historically done and actually rue the fact that they can't openly do this anymore. Bring up the topic of slavery or ethnic cleansing and they either 1) run off or try and change the topic to avoid the conversation 2) get angry that they have to face these truths 3) act really pleased about it all.

No, there is another way of looking at it. Making movements at ground level that go upwards. The example I gave previously is a good one to study. I was talking to some younger lot and they said this: That grooming thing was originally confronted and challenged by a relatively tiny number of people and all the usual obfuscation techniques where thrown against them. Media manipulation, accusations of racism, being made out to be backwards, police harassment, imprisonment and other judicial system attacks. Wheeling out tokens to try and undermine what was being claimed etc. But they persisted. Now if we had a thousand of such people nationwide, and they just successfully taught 3 youngers each. We've already got a 4 fold increase. Then think about what some of them may go on to do. What the youngers told me was that we've now got a generation who've been informed about this, so they are aware of it, and also the tactics used by certain goray and sullay to try and obfuscate. That's against all this effort to counter it. Yeah, some people have taken hits in order to achieve this, but that is inevitable. But we've got to a point where more people than ever are informed and potentially active. This momentum must be kept up. This is just the beginning. We have to 'feel' our way through this. Actually the model being followed is a historically Sikhi one. Gurus' made their impact at ground level and the relationship between them and the state was always one that fluctuated from support (like with Akhbar) to outright violent hostility (like with Jahangir and Aurenga) . But they still got their message across and built up the community through all of this. Our thing right now has to be about weeding out the selfish and greedy from amongst our leadership, or at least tolerate only those who also have some genuine love for the panth and it's ideals and are conscious of the insidious games being played against us. Awareness is growing.

I'm not even judging those people as bad. They are just natural products of their culture. Hell, you even see our own people doing similar when you go out. My point is that I don't think spirituality is something that comes naturally to English people. I mean even the founder of their religious sect of Christianity was someone who used to routinely behead his wives on any old pretext. King Henry the whatever. They guy was clearly a psycho. That this type of figure is fountain head of a religious community says a lot. That such an obvious ethically and morally dubious character can be celebrated and admired explains a lot. Especially all the murderously ruthless plundering and enslaving that people from this island have engaged in over the centuries - that they can actually keep a straight face and say that this was done as some act of paternal benevolence to help 'civilise' natives says a lot too. Those promiscuous clubbing types are the least of our problems here on this island. I'd be more concerned with all the sociopathic, self-centred and inherently deceptive animals you've put in positions of power here if I was you. I bet a fair few of them go to church to keep up appearances too. But the truth is that you're probably hopeless because it's been a long time (if ever) since English people have ever managed to successfully challenge their power structures for some noble cause.

Yeah you touched a nerve. A backwards bahmunh like you should sod off where you belong. Hinduism. Ghar vaahpus jaa bahmunha!

No, don't get it twisted. I don't equate success in formal academic education, or an ability to express yourself as 'intelligence'. Some guys are not remotely educated but have an innate grasp of human nature and social realities that enable them to see the truth around them incisively. Formal education can be as much of an indoctrination than anything else (I'm sure we've discussed this before?) It's like all the grooming filth. It was actually ground level (not highly educated) street guys who picked up on it and tried to combat it first. If they had been educated farts they probably wouldn't have got off their ar5es in the first place - or make a thousand excuses for it like the majority did. Now, with all the supporting undeniable evidence of gorian also getting targeted on 'industrial scales' - the farts have a tougher time maintaining their position (which is based on fear and selfishness when you analyse it). I think a lot of the 'educated and erudite' people you speak of can actually see the truth, but chose out of fear and selfishness to go along with the majority policy of silence and conformity. Another thing I've noticed is that established leaders are often very narcissistic - and they would rather tear down, or resist anyone taking the hits to get important contentious issues to the fore - then risk diminishing any of their own importance. And again, it all boils down to who we chose as leaders and how much we openly support them - especially when the establishment tries to (inevitably) tear them down. Since when have Singhs ever historically chosen pu55ies to lead them? This is a new habit. You could probably guess that I think this sort of thinking has its antecedents from the 'annexation' period and all the compromises made then.

Are you really that big a tw@t Mr. Bahmunh? Is it your aversion to dark skin coming out again?

This is good too. Very short:

Can you not feel the growing suspicion amongst intelligent people (of all backgrounds) regarding modern mainstream culture? I think they are suspicious of it but feel powerless against it. I think we may have tough times ahead. We need bold, strong, inspiring leadership with foresight in the diaspora. We can't hide behind conservatism away from the world (like so many try), because we'll just get chipped away at and become relevant then (death by a thousand cuts). We need things in the open between us. Unless we get dynamic again we'll be in deep doo doo. It's a bad enough that we have all and sundry trying to pull the wool over our eyes without being able to trust and rely on each other. There is an obvious link between how disunited we are (or as Ranjeet put it - a low trust society) and how much we will be getting targeted by others. And by this I mean for ideological conversions. So you can have all the external insignias of the faith but internally you are converted to another way of thinking - and when this is done well - a person would actually have no clue that they had been converted at all. Personally I feel that the whole debate about colonialism and how it led to mass mind-manipulation amongst our quom is actually very relevant to today. But it is SO contentious (right now) with families being indoctrinated for a good few generations now, that it is hard to broach without serious backlashes. And this looks like a block on intellectual growth to me. I think in the UK, the truth finally emerging about what is now known as 'grooming' might be waking more people up. We have to show them that certain state operatus (like the police, media, government departments) aren't the benign forces we might be led to believe but sometimes actively acting against Sikhs or covertly supporting others who are anti-Sikh. We need to get an independent, well informed, sophisticated mindset as common amongst apnay - which is no easy task given their proclivities......lol We also need to get more discerning regarding our leadership. We need people who aren't scared to face and counter established forces and their deeply entrenched narratives effectively. On the plus (coming from an old schooler) we have seen some of this happening with Bhai Jagraj Singh and SIkh Youth UK lately. But it still needs to grow, until most apnay are broadly singing from the same hymn book - with all their diversity. Disabling those apnay chaaplooses that they wheel out to counter any progressive or challenging narrative we come out with must be a top priority too.

Look, theoretically it could be a mutation very early on in a primitive lifeforms existence (a micro evolution) that subsequently results in the significant difference we see between creatures later on. Say like proto-tadpoles which may have been purely water based then some mutations occurred where some of their respiratory systems changed to allow them to survive out of water for longer than others (albeit briefly) and these types interbreeding, passing on those mutations and actually strengthening them. So you'd get that split between purely sea based creatures and amphibious ones like that.

That's an interesting idea. How and why do you think the scientific community has it so wrong then?

How often do you hear European/American history being openly uncovered like this?

Where? I've been here for decades. Those people don't really exist. You want to see English people being their true selves just go out on the town on a Friday night. I'm not judging this btw. I'm just saying, that God and spiritual matters are not things most English people are concerned with (remotely). I think they are more concerned with enjoying life as much as they can - while they can.

I hear what you are saying. As much as I Iove science it's patently obvious (to me) that it doesn't answer everything and that a lot of it is conjecture or one particular interpretation of data (amongst many possible interpretations). Having been in an academic setting a number of times and having worked in academia too (albeit briefly) I know that anyone who considers 'research' from universities to be the result of some pristine pursuit of truth will be a lulloo of epic proportions. Research can be motivated too, like pharmaceutical 'research' skewed in a particular way, historical 'research' that is really biased by racial or nationalist agendas (our own Sikh historical research is not uncontaminated by this either!). Research into genetics is another way that white supremacists may embed their ideas into the general public consciousness - who start believing in stuff without having a real clue about the strengths and weaknesses behind the techniques used. Regarding yugas. There are other possible interpretations like that they metaphorically represent spiritual states. Or maybe they take quite an advanced period of Indic human development as their starting point. I mean look at where most of us here are from (Panjab). If we look at surviving evidence like the Vedas (one the oldest if not THE oldest book by humans with a sophisticated content. The ruins of Harappan civilisation. The apparently advanced grasp of biology and physiology (as evidenced by the development of yoga), literature production, weapon manufacture etc. It points to an advanced civilisation existing a long time ago. I mean even the way painti is structured with it's systematic breakdown of sounds into aspirated, unaspirated, voice, tonal, nasal is mind blowing when we consider that the advance grasp of sound and biology that underpins it - was around thousands of years ago in the land of our ancestors (that's if the understanding that Sanskrit was originally developed in Panjab is correct). Looking at us now it seems unreal that our own ancestors could have been so advanced, sophisticated and productive given our current simple-minded jungly state. I am confused about reconciling the yugas thing with evolutionary theory. Like I said, it might have taken a pinnacle of societal development as it's starting point, and used that as the model to aspire too? And come on evolutionary theory has got some merit. I mean sabre tooth tigers, things going extinct in living memory like dodos, the development of 'exotic animals' in isolated locations like the emu, or Komodo dragon.

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