FreshMind13

ਭਸੌੜ ਨੂੰ ਜਪੀ ਜਾਉ।

I was never really fully convinced on Brahm Kavach, but he is saying Uggardanti too?

What will Dhumma supporters say now?

4 hours ago, Sikhi4Ever said:

- New Trend of saying "Video cut/edited" and only stupid folks are falling for those.

- He is journalist, Katha Vachaak full time. I am just ordinary person with full time non-sikh based job and even i know "Not to talk with Harnek Neki" and he even showing full respect to that kalank even knowing his past bullshitting. 

- Using his own media platform with sound effect to gumraah the gullible minds.

- Person on left is nobody and possibly planted from day 1 once his video was out.

Agree with everything except the last point. That "person" is Jathedar Ranjit Singh of Takht Sri Patna Sahib, he is also shown in the video from @ADMIN

8 hours ago, FreshMind13 said:

I saw a video on Facebook where Makhu was with the Jathedar of Patna Sahib. Apparently he was forgiven and said his views had changed from 4 years ago.

Otherwise, Makhu is weird. His tone of talking seems egoistic (dunno how to describe it).

Found it

5 minutes ago, Sikhi4Ever said:

It is not only about Sri Dasam Granth sahib but whole lotta more issues

They want to kill sikhi !!!

Not sure about that in Purewal's case man. In an interview he mentioned he used to have Sri Guru Granth Sahib parkash at his house and did 2 annual sehaj paath shaibs annually with his wife (his words not mine). He also said he used to for many years do akhand paath roul seva at his local gurdwara.

The real ppl trying to kill Sikhi are the nastiks dressed up as Sikhs.

On 6/5/2020 at 7:29 AM, chatanga1 said:

Have you heard the audio recording of makhu and neki about Sri Dasme Patshahs Granth Sahib?

I saw a video on Facebook where Makhu was with the Jathedar of Patna Sahib. Apparently he was forgiven and said his views had changed from 4 years ago.

Otherwise, Makhu is weird. His tone of talking seems egoistic (dunno how to describe it).

On 6/1/2020 at 11:16 PM, Sikhi4Ever said:

• Pal Purewal (calendar guy)

I am not someone to clean up someones image, but I know two facts about Pal Singh Purewal:

- Probably a decade ago, a Singh in our local area found Purewal's phone number. He called him and asked him why he is against Sri Dasam Granth. Purewal's reply was that if he ever spoke against Sri Dasam Granth, he is ready to have his head chopped off. (In Punjabi, he had said: ਮੇਰਾ ਸਿਰ ਵੱਢ ਦਿਉ)

- Purewal has admitted he did not want to publish his book at one point during its manuscript phase because his calculated results did not match with Sri Dasam Granth. (He explains this in the preface of the English translation of Guru Kian Sakhian)

So yea, maybe he is taking the politically correct way out. He is not the same as nastiks like Dhadri and neo-missionaries.

On 5/28/2020 at 12:47 AM, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Are our enemies preparing new doctored ggs and wants to get rid of current authentic ones ? 

Huh? What kind of rumor is this?

There is no doctored version of SGGS Ji. How is such a thing even possible?

On 5/28/2020 at 7:35 PM, jkvlondon said:

yes and sgpc are helping their agenda by allowing non sikh printers licence to print/ do beadbhi of saroop before even angs are assembled .

What? It is law in Punjab that only SGPC can print saroops.

Again, where are these rumors coming from?

The document is dated Magh Vadi 11/18 Magh - Nanakshahi 409, Bikrami 1934.

Indeed this date matches: Magh Vadi 11 was also 18 Magh in that year.

The English date for this Hukamnama is: Tuesday, January 29, 1878 C.E.

Whoever typed up the Hukamnama gave the wrong year 1877 C.E. This also proves Nanakshahi Sammat was used in history and is not a modern invention.

2 hours ago, Koi said:

Whilst you do make a good point, please remember, Gurbani is "sutantar", free from and kind of vidhi or viyaakaran. That's why you'll find astpadis in the Gurbani that have more (or less) than 8 tuks. And that's why you'll find Gurbani not bound by viyaakaran.

Yes, Gurbani is ਸੁਤੰਤਰ from any wordly grammer or poetry system. Ones who say that Gurbani is beyond Viyakaran, make a purely emotional statement without any backup. Everything that Waheguru does is perfect and under divine rules made by Waheguru. Similarly, ਧੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ too is constraint by not some worldly grammar rules but by the unique and divine grammatical rules.

You are free to have your opinion, Guru Sahib knows best.

For other readers, I'll be sharing a short article by Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti on Vyaakaran:

There are different types of "Missionaries".

1. SGPC Missionary Colleges - Run by SGPC to train pracharaks. (Though, no one really refers to them as Missionaries)

2. Classical Missionaries - Respected in the Panth. Likes include Prof. Sahib Singh who did Teeka of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Baani. (They used to be called Missionaries, but they aren't anymore)

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3. Neo-missionaries - Whenever someone says someone is a "Missionary" today, it usually means this. They have been described well by @Sikhi4Ever

7 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

So hv u verified ashtapadi has 8, 9 , 10 and till 11 only.

11 is significant because rigveda also has a thing called "tristubh" meter in which most of Rigveda hymns are written and it has 11 mantras each 

No my point was that in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, Ashtpaddi refers to a Shabad that has 8 or more paddas.

Here is an example of an Ashtpadi with 12 ਪਦੇ, made up of ਚਉਤੁਕੇ, and the ending one is a ਛੇਤੁਕਾ:

ੴ ਸਤਿ ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ਸਾਰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ਘਰੁ ੬ ॥
ਅਗਮ ਅਗਾਧਿ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਜਨ ਕਥਾ ॥
ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੀ ਅਚਰਜ ਸਭਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ॥
ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਇ ਅਪਾਰ ॥
ਮਨ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ॥
ਗਿਆਨ ਅੰਜਨੁ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਬਿਨਾਸੁ ॥੧॥
ਮਿਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਬਿਸਥਾਰੁ ॥
ਸੋਭਾ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਅਪਰ ਅਪਾਰ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਰੰਗ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਗਨੇ ਨ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
ਸੋਗ ਹਰਖ ਦੁਹਹੂ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੨॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਬੇਦ ਧੁਨਿ ਕਰਹਿ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਮਹੇਸ ਬੈਸਿ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਧਰਹਿ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਪੁਰਖ ਅੰਸਾ ਅਵਤਾਰ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਊਭੇ ਦਰਬਾਰ ॥੩॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਪਵਨ ਪਾਵਕ ਅਰੁ ਨੀਰ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਰਤਨ ਸਾਗਰ ਦਧਿ ਖੀਰ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਸੂਰ ਸਸੀਅਰ ਨਖਿਆਤਿ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇਵਾ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ॥੪॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਬਸੁਧਾ ਅਨਿਕ ਕਾਮਧੇਨ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਪਾਰਜਾਤ ਅਨਿਕ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੇਨ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਅਕਾਸ ਅਨਿਕ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਮੁਖੀ ਜਪੀਐ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥੫॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਪੁਰਾਨ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹੋਵਤ ਬਖਿਆਨ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਸਰੋਤੇ ਸੁਨਹਿ ਨਿਧਾਨ ॥
ਸਰਬ ਜੀਅ ਪੂਰਨ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੬॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਧਰਮ ਅਨਿਕ ਕੁਮੇਰ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਬਰਨ ਅਨਿਕ ਕਨਿਕ ਸੁਮੇਰ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਸੇਖ ਨਵਤਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੇਹਿ ॥
ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਤੇਹਿ ॥੭॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਅਨਿਕ ਤਹ ਖੰਡ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਬਨਾ ਅਨਿਕ ਫਲ ਮੂਲ ॥
ਆਪਹਿ ਸੂਖਮ ਆਪਹਿ ਅਸਥੂਲ ॥੮॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਦਿਨਸ ਅਰੁ ਰਾਤਿ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਪਰਲਉ ਅਨਿਕ ਉਤਪਾਤਿ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਜੀਅ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
ਰਮਤ ਰਾਮ ਪੂਰਨ ਸ੍ਰਬ ਠਾਂਇ ॥੯॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਲਖੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਕਲਾ ਖੇਲੈ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਧੁਨਿਤ ਲਲਿਤ ਸੰਗੀਤ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਗੁਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟੇ ਤਹ ਚੀਤ ॥੧੦॥
ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚ ਭਗਤ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ॥
ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਰੰਗਿ ॥
ਅਨਿਕ ਅਨਾਹਦ ਆਨੰਦ ਝੁਨਕਾਰ ॥
ਉਆ ਰਸ ਕਾ ਕਛੁ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਰ ॥੧੧॥
ਸਤਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਤਿ ਅਸਥਾਨੁ ॥
ਊਚ ਤੇ ਊਚ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਨਿਰਬਾਨੁ ॥
ਅਪੁਨਾ ਕੀਆ ਜਾਨਹਿ ਆਪਿ ॥
ਆਪੇ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਿਆਪਿ ॥
ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਇਆਲ ॥
ਜਿਨਿ ਜਪਿਆ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਭਏ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥੧੨॥੧॥੨॥੨॥੩॥੭॥ (ਅੰਗ ੧੨੩੫)

On 5/15/2020 at 12:21 AM, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Honestly makes no sense. esp when doing for just one asta-padi out of 17 total.

This needs further research actually. Rules are not meant to be tweaked like that. We need further intellectual research in this.

Research has already been done. In SGGS Ji, Ashtpadi can have 8, 9, 10, 11, etc paddas. Guru Sahib never used the word Naupadda, Daspada, etc. to label a Shabad.

Otherwise, a whole new section in the Raag would need to be made just for Naupaddas Daspaddas etc. (this is just my theory)

On 5/10/2020 at 3:15 AM, Koi said:

Brother, it's not difficult to compile a list of Birs where the Mangal comes after the Sirlekh either, and I'm sure you seen pictures of these. However, if we examine majority of the saroops at the various Takhts, written by the prominent Sikhs of the time (Baba Deep Singh, Bhai Mani Singh etc.), the Kartarpuri Bir, and other hand written Gutke and Pothis, there is overwhelming evidence that the Mangal does not always come before the Sirlekh. Hence why the current saroop is written in this way.

That being said, I don't wish to divert this thread. If you want to discuss this further, I'm happy for another thread to be open for that.

There was vidhi of reading mangal.

Likhari would write mangal aligned to the right, and then the sirlekh would be left aligned and a few centimeters lower. To a person who blindly reads from left to right, they would not be aware of this, hence why it is claimed those birhs have mangal after sirlekh. In reality, learned paathis would read them first.

Even in Sanskrit tradition, the manglacharan to avtaar is always written and read first.

The modern printing presses screwed with this maryada and started centering the mangals and sirlekhs, which complicated the issue further.

I blame the Chinese Government - The Chinese Communist Party accountable for this pandemic.

Aside from people eating meat or whatever, it is the governments fault for silencing doctors and hiding numbers.

6 hours ago, puzzled said:

this same man baba jagtar singh kar sewa wale tarn taran went pakistan lahore to demolish old gurdware, luckily in lahore by law you can not demolish any building older than 100 yrs because of it heritage value.   he wanted to demolish the gurdwara in chuna mandi lahore which is the janamasthan of guru ram das ji, the lahore government made it clear that he cant demolish the structure but can repair it, they also used to come down daily to make sure that he is not altering or demolishing the structure.

For everything bad Pakistan does, thank god this law exists.

As others have stated, Gurmantar from Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the one that will give you mukti.

Other mantars and sadhus have reached, with intense bhagti to Karam Khand, but without Gurprasad, they did not reach Sachkhand until they came to the house of Guru Sahib.

It is called Naam Abhyiaas for a reason! It is a exercise. Everyone has a different reaction, I have experienced this before.

As far as I am aware, Santa Singh only printed the steeks. Someone else actually did the steek and Santa just printed under his name.

I still have to verify this.

I remember there was a Saakhi of Guru Sahib shutting down Langar? I forget the details, does anyone here know of it?

I don't know why you are beating a dead horse. The maas argument has been argued since olden times, just re-using arguments that have been used for ages. Who are you trying to change? Focus on your own kamai and jeevan.

PS: I am a vegetarian myself.

15 hours ago, MrDoaba said:

ਤੁਮ ਕੌਣ ਹੋ ਯਹ ਬਤਾਨੇ ਕੇ ਲੀਏ ਕੇ ਮੈਂ ਕ੍ਯਾ ਹੂੰ ਯਹ ਕ੍ਯਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੂੰ? ਐਸਾ ਲਗਤਾ ਹੈ ਕ੍ਯਾ ਤੂ ਖੁਦ ਗੁਰੂਵਾਣੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੜਤਾ

 ਚੁਪਚਾਪ ਬੈਠ ਔਰ ਸ੍ਰਵਣ ਕਰ ਛੋਰਾ.... ਯਾਦ ਰੱਖੀ..ਤੂ ਕਿਸੇ ਦਾ ਅਫਸਰ ਨੀ .....

I dunno if you are writing Hindi in Gurmukhi for jokes, but lol

1 minute ago, 1Anonymous1 said:

How long ago was this?

In the late 90's.