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My god what are you? You’re incredibly daft, aren’t you? You detest Jatts so much you made this a 10 page thread hahaha. ? All I posted were some DNA/genetic studies and attested history and it really got you riled up. You surely think of yourself superior to Jatts, how sad. Dally will ironically be seething in the corner about Jatts even as our quom goes on to succeed and accomplish brilliant things. ‘B-but they’re Jatts! They’re dumb! They’re idiots!’

This DNA is from thousands of years ago, buffoon.

Looool I’m literally a Sikh Jatt. Your hatred against Jatts is pathetic. All I posted is that Jatts have the most Aryan DNA in all of India (which is proven correct) and you’re seething. POOR YOU. You can keep trying to erase history as much as you want.

You are absolutely ridiculous. If you uploaded your DNA results and if you’re really a Tarkhan, you’d get around 9%-10% NE Euro. It just means Sintashta steppe

lmao and I bet all this is fake too? https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19837-Jatt-Origins

Right so I guess every single Sikh great grandmother was spending time with white men on the sly? Literally every Sikh Jatt scores similar to me. There are thousands of results available. You’re disgusting. You should take a DNA test yourself, Tarkhan. lol stop denying history

Jatts were a foreign group (mlecchas) and they were placed as Shudras by the clueless and threatened Brahmins. They only took up farming much later. Jatts and Khatris and other prominent Sikh castes have intermixed.

Have you not noticed all the charts I posted? Literally every medium to high caste group in India has significant amounts of NE Euro and Caucasian. NE Euro is Sintashta Steppe DNA aka Saka or possibly Scythians. It’s not a hoax. It’s just that Jatts are the most western/Scythian shifted out of all the castes in India. ASI (Ancestral South Indian) are the native inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent, Baluch are the Iranian Neolithic farmers that migrated eastward into the subcontinent. It peaks near the present Indus Civilisation aka Sindh. Steppe is the downward migration from the North when the Mongols pushed the Steppe people out of present day Russia/Kazakhstan. Jatts are different because we ARE. Stop denying history. It’s better to acknowledge it and just improve ourselves instead of crying all the time about the past! Seriously! Lol at everyone dissociating themselves from Jatts and dissing Jatts. Ah yes, this is EXACTLY what solves casteism! Smart move, lads! also I’m a Jattni, not a bro. Thanks, lol.

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You clearly have a personal vendetta against Jatts, you keep seething about them in every other topic. Even in topics not related to caste, you keep mentioning Jatts. Are you implying Jatts are inherently less intelligent than other groups? How could it be if we are all equal? What's your problem, mate?

I don't really care if some Pakistani dude posts some click-bait Youtube video about Sikhi for views. A lot of them are two-faced. I saw a few of them make videos about the Farmer's Protest. I wonder why? They think of Sikhs as a pawn. Also, yuck at all the Sikhs in the comments seeking validation. We are literally so naive.

By the way, I find it weird that there are people in the west who just assume they're Jatt if they're Punjabi Sikh. Some are not even aware of their own identity. Like I knew a Saini who was saying he was a Jatt. Maybe this is a good thing? Let's make everyone Jatts. What do you think? lol.

This is so weird. Casteism and all of this can't be erased by a couple of people whinging on a forum about Jatts and fostering more divide. As I said instead of whinging, take it upon yourself to educate your children and future generations.

Ok so how does that explain why Jatts are the most western shifted groups in India alongside Khatris? Haryana Jatts are the most western-shifted population out of them all (probably because Haryana Jaats are more strict when it comes to mixing). Jatts are not even native to Punjab. Maybe that's why you hate them, lol.

It's true, lol. Why would these scientists even care about random castes in a very obscure religion according to their standards? The west literally does not care that much about Sikhi, it's evident. We're a non-issue to them (unfortunately). Meh, I took mine on 23andme. It just showed that I'm fully South Asian with some West Asian (obviously) and then I uploaded the results to HarappaWorld. I scored like 31% South Indian (native Indian), 35% Baloch, 15% NE Euro, 10% Caucasian, and 2% NE Asian. Kind of typical of a Jatt (maybe some more mixing because of my high ancestral Indian). Here are all the results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0 They don't have any of the 'lower' castes here like choora and chamar because it's costly and Indian people in India can't take it. It doesn't really matter though, all I'm implying is that centuries old histories and customs of certain tribes can't be eradicated just like that. People are loyal to their tribe foremost. It's just how it is in the subcontinent. Pashtuns are loyal to their tribe and besmirch other Muslims, for example.

@dallysingh101It's ironically people like you that mention Jatts in every other thread that make issues between castes worst. The truth is that literally all castes (if they're a Sikh) are still very loyal to Sikhi. There are more important issues like our decreasing birth rate and the wannabe assimilation to western ideals.

It's true. I know you will try to deny it as much as possible. I'm saying that Jatts have been marrying other Jatts and retained their customs LONG before the British strengthened the divide caste has on India. This is literally impossible to erase. Jatts are actually a foreign population in India anyway but I don't want to delve too much into it. I even took a DNA test myself. There's also a countermovement spurring too. I've seen a lot of people call Jatts stupid, evil, the biggest opponents of Sikhi or whatnot.

Lol. ? Khalistanis were the proto-Taliban. However, one group failed and the other succeeded.

That was the point of Singh/Kaur. As for the topic: Casteism has always been prevalent in India long before the British arrived. The British simply took use of a clearly divisive system and utilised it to further divide and control the different populations of India. I hate to say it but DNA tests literally prove that certain castes have not intermixed for thousands of years. Jatts score different from Chamars, for example. Khatris score different from Jatts. Jatts score different from Tarkhans. I think casteism will never TRULY die in India, it's impossible at this point. If the Gurus couldn't successfully eradicate the caste system, how can we? Our community is divided more than ever and we don't have any strong leaders that would take it upon themselves to erase these centuries-fostered and culminated customs. What we can do is not mention all the time that one group is more useless than the other or put down any castes. There's absolutely no need to do this. Why create resentment? I'm aware that Jattism is promoting nefarious elements that ultimately contrast against the ideas of Sikhi. Whose responsibility was it to educate these Jatts? Their parents, right? Why do we have turban-donned men like Sidhu Moosewala encouraging violence, drugs, and who knows what else? The best we can do right now is acknowledge our community is not on the right path and instead focus on creating big, loving families who care and have a genuine interest in Sikhi. Sending Bunty to Kaneda and having him marry some Canadian Punjabi girl for PR to only pop out two kids max and forgo any semblance of Sikhi isn't the way to do it. Raising Kaka and never properly taking him to the Gurdwara or teaching him about Sikhi and then getting mad at him later when he barely knows Punjabi or wants to marry some outsider who is just as clueless as he is isn't his fault. Cause and effect. Something needs to be done. I heard my mother telling me that raising a lot of kids is difficult and that I should only have two kids. I absolutely refuse, though. Have a lot of kids but make sure to educate them. Although we may try our best to make them appreciate Sikhi, some children might not care. However there might be one that cares and grows up to be someone like Bhai Jagraj or any other great community leader imo. Make sure your kids are aware of casteism and how abhorrent it is. I think this is the only solution. Our older generations are too stubborn to change, at least we can try to change this mindset with new and coming generations.

@MisterrSingh You said that white culture emphasises on open and early sexuality but how is this any better? I fear a world that is completely empowered and ruled by Islam.

Unfortunately I've even seen some white people refer to our religion as some sort of ultra-lefty feminised free food and charity religion (because we believe in the equality of genders). This new world really shocks me everyday. If this is what they think of us, I wonder what Muslims must think? They don't even consider us a threat. Most white people are not our friends.

There's another interesting phenomenon I've noticed. Sometimes I go on other social media sites and I get a chance to interact with some white people who are more open expressing their thoughts under the guise of the protection of the Internet. I've seen a lot of them display interest in Islam and I've even heard some white supremacists think Islam is a 'based' religion and some of the things they do are admirable. Think about what kind of people white supremacists are and what type of a person an average Muslim is (if they truly believe in their religion). They're not much different. They each think theirselves to be superior to the rest of the World and they want their ideals/visions to be spread and not anything else. The main problem is definitely how fast and quickly Muslims are reproducing. If not in the Middle East, then in Africa, ffs lol. I do feel bad for Muslims who are trapped as Muslims simply because they were born in a Muslim family. We all know how hard it is for a Muslim to express contrarian opinions, especially Muslim girls. If it's already hard in Sikh families, it's 100x more difficult in a Muslim family. Even if there are kind and moderate Muslims that exist in the world, just by sheer numbers there will be plenty of radical and ultra-identitarian extremes. Take a look on social media for example, I see Muslims all the time writing things on their profiles such as 'I'm Muslim, if you don't like it, leave!' 'No Islamophobia' 'I'm a proud Muslim', most Sikhs don't even mention that they're a Sikh, lol. For Muslims their entire life revolves around being a Muslim. Also, I hate to say it but Muslims tend to be lower IQ than other people. There's probably a counterargument somewhere here that 'oh but us Punjabis are dumb as well' or whatever but here's a study that proves the opposite. It's easier for them to not even be aware of their Koran's teachings and parade around with the Koran as if it's a thing to be admired even though it advocates for a lot of chilling ideas.

I've been wondering long and hard about this: what will happen when the halt by the Supreme Court is lifted and the central government goes ahead with the laws anyway? Will there be mass riots and attacks? I worry about our farmers. They're definitely not going down without a fight. Let's be real though, pro-Khalistan sentiment has increased by a lot during this whole ordeal. What this farmers' protest has unearthed is the knowledge what a lot of Hindus (both liberal & rightwing types) think about Sikhs and Punjab. I don't think things will be looking good in the future.

A lot of Muslims whitewash their religion and lie; although this can be rooted from insecurities as well. Some might be in denial about their faith though. It's true that a lot of Muslims are not even fully aware of what the Koran teaches. Google taqiyya. Islam has and will always be mainly a political tool under the guise of a peaceful religion. Watch this video in Afghanistan supposedly the most 'religiously Muslim' place: they don't know ANYTHING! lol

What in the world? Only two years of community order? This is INSANE. You can get 20+ years of prison in the US for the same crime! The UK and Europe in general is pathetic when it comes to dealing with criminals.