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wjkk wjkf Bhan ji, I think your reply is spot on :TH: . Trust us when you are older, whatever tattoo you have will not have the same aesthetic appeal you once thought. In my college days I too once thought about getting a khanda tattoo, but glad to say it was not for very long, due to the reasons given in the previous replies. I would in my view also be disrespecting sikhi.

In response to respected veer ji and bhan ji, I am not sure about where he is based, but lets not forget he had a narrow escape in Canada and would therefore anticipate a similar reaction here in the UK. He has been very clever by getting someone to set up a web site based around the cult. However, I will not promote his filth here. If you want to find this site it wont take you very long to stumble upon it. This time it seems he is trying to be more humble through his approach or should I say clever. There is a lot of talk about a respected singh by the name of Harjit Lakhan falling foul to Narinder Grewal. I for one cannot say wheteher this is true or false. So treat this information accordingly. People have spoken about him running some website or egroup whereby he has a emailing list of a few thousand members. Do you see where this is going? If this guy has now become a follower of Narinder Grewal, then the implications are herendous. Someone I know was offered to go to one of the cults meetings, but obviously turned it down, to quote the cult member said that its great you should come people levitate and stuff. Can you believe this nonsense. Anyway I too can make members of the cult levitate by picking them up and promptly then throwing them down to the ground. If you want to know what Mr Loopy (Narinder Grewal) looks like, then again just search the net and you will see pictures of him taken from the video that veer ji was on about in Canada. Remember if you think some of the above is harsh I have clearly stated the context of each point, but I take nothing back about Narinder Grewal.

I was checking the thisisderbyshiresite about the incident that took place in Derby and to my horror found this piece of news about something else dated 18 March: Here is the link- http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/displayN...e=sidebarsearch The article itself: TEENAGER 'LIED ABOUT ATTACK THROUGH FEAR' BY PAUL COSTELLO 09:30 - 18 March 2006 A 15-year-old girl lied to police about being attacked by an alleged serial sex offender because she feared being shunned by her strict parents, a jury was told yesterday. Aleem Sheid is on trial for attempting to rape the schoolgirl, the rape of another 15-year-old and sexual assault on four more young women between November 2001 and March last year. Ben Nolan QC, defending, said that the Sikh girl, whose identity is protected by law, had misled police because she wanted to conceal the fact that she had been willingly intimate with Sheid, a Muslim. He said that the two had bumped into each other on the afternoon of February 21 last year in Derby city centre, where the girl was shopping after school. The girl later told police officers that she initially thought that he was "nice and good-looking" but that he had turned aggressive. She claimed that he had grabbed her hand and dragged her into the River Gardens, where he attempted to rape her. The barrister, giving his closing speech at Derby Crown Court, said that the girl had spent an hour "canoodling" with the defendant on the top floor of the Eagle Centre car park. She had then agreed to continue the encounter in the River Gardens, he said. Sheid (25), of Madeley Street, Normanton, had not taken it further than kissing and cuddling as he had viewed her as a potential girlfriend. Mr Nolan said: "The girl would not want her family to know that she went with boys and, in particular, Muslim boys. "She feared parental disapproval and she continued to conceal the truth because of that fear." Sheid denies indecently assaulting a prostitute in Sacheverel Street, Derby, on November 12, 2001; indecently assaulting a woman near the bus station in July 2003; sexually assaulting a prostitute in Back Sitwell Street on June 22, 2004; and raping a 15-year-old girl in Dover Street, Normanton, on March 8 last year. He also denies sexually assaulting a 17-year-old in Hartington Street on November 16, 2004. Mr Nolan said that Sheid's "conquests" were always made with the consent of the woman. The trial continues. The Muslim filthbag that committed these heinous crimes is now paying for it according to an update on the same site. However what makes me about the teenager in question is that why would you just start having a conversation with a complete stranger anyways. I am in no way implying that she was completely wrong, but in my opinion shows that the youth need to be educated on the simple basics.

:lol: @ Ok, Darshan Das is no different to this lame guy Dassan Das from the satnamm cult. Darshan Das used to hold his congregation at Dormers Wells High School in Southall. I used to live in Southall when this all happened. He made claims that he was immortal and could never be killed, what an <banned word filter activated>. By this time his followers were increasing in number due to mainly stupid individuals who had some sort of problem in their life. Thankfully two Singhs (Rajinder Singh and Manjit singh) had the courage to take his claims directly to him and shot him in front of his so called followers. Needless to say that they found out that he was not God, neither immortal. Rajinder Singh and Manjit singh should definetly be remembered for this as they had sacrificed their day to day lives in the sake of our future. In my opinion the same fate should occur to the guy from the satnaam cult. You see, again it will be those people who have some sort of problem in their life i.e a death in the family believing for some reason that they have bad luck etc, who will fall foul of self claimed sants/baba and they themselves will prey on such people. It should be made aware to the youth(especially so as satnaam seems to be focusing on our youngsters) and the elders of what is going on. Act before it is too late, stand up and be heard. If any of the above has already been said then I am sorry, but there are so many replies, I just wanted to contribute to this important discussion. :TH:

Here is an update to the story, if you can call it that as it was written on the 10 may. Here is the link: http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/displayN...e=sidebarsearch The article itself: SHOP WAS ATTACKED BEFORE SHOOTING 09:30 - 10 May 2006 The family of a woman who was shot by a masked gunman in Derby have been attacked before. Neighbours said that acid has been thrown on cars owned by the family, who run the S &A Self Service Food Store in Balfour Road, Pear Tree, and that the shop also had fireworks put through its letterbox. Residents have expressed their concerns, although police are not connecting the incidents. The shooting happened on Monday night when the 27-year-old woman was approached by a man in a balaclava as she was leaving the house next to the shop. She tried to run back inside, but was shot in the leg. A piece of lead shot was later removed from her leg at Derbyshire Royal Infirmary, before she was released by the hospital. Neighbour Haroon Nasar (24) said that a family member had tried to chase the gunman. Mr Nasar added: "The shop has been targeted before. It was burned out at Christmas after someone put fireworks through the letterbox. "Around the same time, the shop owners' cars had acid thrown on them and that ruined the paint." The family declined to talk about the shooting although a member of staff at the shop confirmed that it was attacked with fireworks at Christmas. Police are today continuing their inquiries and have renewed an appeal for witnesses. A spokesman said: "We're looking into the possibility that a shotgun was used, due to the nature of the wound." There is no evidence at all that the girl/family are even Sikh. If that turns out to be the case that they are not, then there is some serious questions I have to put forward.

To the two people arguing, just quit. If you are going to make a point about something can u do it properly without insulting each other. There is no point in saying that one person can beat the other in a boxing match or whatever, the energy in anger created by the two should be aimed at tackling the issue being discussed. I am new here and did not want to introduce myself in this way.I am from the UK in London, in my twenties and have much knowledege about the issue raised in this post. I really would like to see some evidence though, stuff like this has occured and will continue to occur if we are not pro active. When a muslim girl in southall wanted to marry her sikh boyfriend recently, certain members of her family attributed to her murder, was horrific, however all the circumstances of the story were published in the newspapers and shown on tv, so it would not be unusal for this incident to go unreported.