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Ok, with regards to the pic of Sukhbir Badal's wife I understand what you say and agree mostly, however where i disagree is that if sikhs who are uneducated or not for that matter can influence in the way they may think, in terms of where their allegance may lie. I have not made a generalisation on all Sikhs, I used the word many, why is it that you have assumed this? So if a Sikh goes against the simple basic teachings then it is ok? The people who get on my nerves are those who are in the public limelight, their actions/behaviour does have an adverse affect on the community at large. As to your question, No I have not lived in Punjab and understand your point about the past and is very valid. I know this as a member of my family used to deal with human rights abuses taking place in punjab especially with those who are loyal to Khalistan. Again I advise you not to twist my words and say that my previous post was a generalisation and do not automatically assume that the next person does not have a clue about the plight of the Sikh people. We are both entitled to our opinions and respect that, so I do not wish this to turn into an ongoing discussion.

The really amazing thing is that converts to Sikhism have a greater respect, love and understanding of the teachings as opposed to many who are raised in so called Sikh families. Maybe this could be the way forward, hopefully these kind of people can have a positive effect on those who are misguided or just plain thickies.

Too many of the so called Sikhs In Punjab are messed up. I wouldn't be surprised if more of this <banned word filter activated> happens on a regular basis. I went to the panthic weekly link: http://www.panthic.org/gallery.php?id=2923...lgiri_Badal.jpg This is a prime example of what many sikhs do in Punjab as well as the uk. As it appears to be the case that you cannot get the hindu out of the Sikh. Many Sikhs in punjab are <admin-cut> who will sell their family for a few bucks or a bottle of whiskey, even marrying their daughters off to so called hindus for money. The ratio of Sikh men to Sikh women in punjab is a worrying issue indeed. What does the future hold in the motherland?These kind of hindu sikhs should be ex-communicated. Maybe these stupid sikhs think that if they integrate with hindus more then life will be sweeter, how wrong can they be? If we carry on at this rate, Sikhs will be outcasts in their own land. We need Khalistan , We need true Sikhs representing the Sikh nation to move forward. As for badal, rss and shiv sena

The pictures are very upsetting. As for Akhoza's comments, well you are an <banned word filter activated>. Has it occoured you you that the topic starter may have spent time taking the pictures due to the fact that he cares about the situation. It funny that Akhoza mentions holy cow in his reply as he is a complete hindu lover and defends them all the time says that they are our brothers, may be his relatives like marrying hindus or something.

Me thinks you are right PSK . Oh yeah by the way is that the same mr dokal that owns the cash and carry on Southall Broadway?

It's slang innit! Yeah you are right sikhness it means isn't it. Comes from the so called cockney accent of East London, but for some bizarre reason it has caught on and is used by people living in other areas of the Uk. What a shame as I only speak the Queen's English innit. :D

Can't believe what is being said???? So if a girl runs off with a non-sikh, abandons her family, causes them to go through pain, has a child, possibly converts, gets dumped, then wants to come home, because she has not got anywhere else to go. Drum roll please, The answer is just take her back, well done give yourselves a round of applause. This story, if true will allow others to take a chance on a non-sikh guy cause they know they can get away with it. The simple fact remains that too many sikh girls don't respect sikh men who keep their hair and find it aesthetically not nice to look at. Sikh women would rather be with hindu men who cut their hair. Don't believe it then take a glance at matrimonial sites and u will see for yourself. Come on open your eyes, Chandanjit kaur, I known ur young, but respect your views as you are intelligent, but how many sikh men run away to marry their non-sikh girlfriends???? The situation I have described is true for the UK at least. Also Sikh parents are stupid as telling their daughters that they will accept them having a relationship with a gora or hindu, but not anything else, the trend seems to be that more sikh women are marrying goray. Just take a look at the marraige certifcates issued in the UK and you will see for yourself. Yes I know there are many sikh women who have nothing but respect for sikhi, but this is happening more than before.

It's a shame that the thousands of Sikhs that live in Southall and no doubt in other areas of the UK, don't take the values of Sikhi that seriously. Countless hindufied singhs walk into the mandir on Lady Margaret Road, they even do it while the Nagar Kirtan takes place for Vasakhi. One of the worst things is that I see so called Sikh parents taking their young children to the mandir. As the years have gone by the very same children go to the mandir more than they go to the gurdwara. This shows that these thicko parents don't truely believe in Sikhi. I've head a few gossip bags at the Gurdwara and they believe that it is good to the mandir, because you just don't know :D: . Anyways, when I see these kind of people going to the mandir, I say to them that the Gurdwara is only a few yards away in whatever direction as there are so many. Some give a dirty look back, some smile and some don't say anything. It's the best way to make them feel ashamed. So many misguided bibis(in particular) go to to see the pandits located in the house next to the mandir,WHY because they have powers of course!Yeah right. There are so many women who believe in them and use them to see whether their son or daughter is compatible for marraige on the basis of their stars, curing illness, blah blah you know the drill. They need to be slapped up.

Only Gurbani parchaar on here not k a n j a r puna!

Please could I have suggestions/tutorials on how to convert VHS recordings to mpeg/AVI format to play in a media player on the PC. I really need your help as I have nearly all the news clips that were shown in the UK on the BBC NEWS / Channel 4 etc, day by day footage, which was recorded by my family at the time of 84. There are many tapes/ hours of footage, which if people want i could show, if the sangat is interested. So, please could you tell me the appropriate software to use and how the connections are made to the PC from a VHS recorder. I feel that it is extremely important that I do this, as I have not found that much footage of the actual events on the net. I have not seen the footage myself, since I was only a few years old, but what I remember shocked me then and will be extremely difficult for myself to see again . Many people have forgotten 84 and the new generation, don't even know what happened, let alone care. I wish to raise awareness to the youth who know nothing as well as the elders who have forgotten. All replies woul be greatly appreciated.

:HP: HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO chandanjit kaur and bello_desi :HP: Well I thought some should say it! All the best to the both of you. :TH:

I saw the video and I thought the protest was commendable. At least these guys are doing something. Here in the Uk, too many Sikhs watch this bollywood crap, which causes bad influence and portrait Sikh as idiots. Tell me, how can one go to a cinema and watch a film, where their existence and appearance is made a mockery of. Typical example, they will have some chumcha with a fake joora dancing in the backround making a twat of himself. This has got on my nerves for ages and I have always been upset that nothing has happened to counter this in the country where this is all happening. But, this shows that a few people are doing something. I thought the speakers were particularly good.

Yeah this guy is a complete fake. Been proved many times. The documentary might have been the same one I saw a while back, pretty sure it came on Channel 5. When people are in a venerable situation i.e contract a terminal illness, they turn to such fraudsters, who are ready to pounce on them and rip them off for what they got. Just open a copy of Des Pardes and you will see loads of so called babas claiming that they can cure illness, bad luck etc. One of the funniest ones I've seen is an african type witch doctor who advertises in Des Pardes, who claims he can make people fall in love with you, by making some potion or something. He must be getting a lot of customers from the Punjabi community as he wouldn't advertise there then. I have also never understood, why Des Pardes, advertises such people. I know they make money from the ads, probably to help fund the running of the paper etc, but it's distorting and capitalising on our people. There was also a programme on Channel 5 a few years back which followed a group of people who went around the world exposing cults and babas who claimed that they could heal etc. They went to India and filmed a baba, where people were flocking to him and giving lots of money. They exposed him in front of his followers and forced the baba to admit he was a fake, which he did. They basically had I think if I remember correctly a dog (possibly some other animal), basically they injected it with a lethal poison which would kill the animal within a matter of minutes. Once injected they asked the baba to cure the animal. Obviously, he could not and the followers were dejected. It was sad to see that they had to go to such extremities to prove their point, but I believe the animal was going to die anyway, due to some disease. In India this has been a real problem for a long time now and is having an impact on Sikhs abroad. Apparently in Delhi, there is a group (forgotten the name) consisted of Sikhs who expose these fake babas, as it is becoming a real problem. Whether in doubt or not, believe in Guru Ji always.

Bruce Lee aint got nothing on this guy! Too Funny!

Balait_da_Sher, you are very wise, shows us what you can do if you use common sense.

People convert out of choice once the Gurbani is spread they will be attracted to it. As for educating the children, well if parents spent less time ignoring Sikhi themselves, they'd be able to pass it onto their children, but instead, the fathers choose to gulp down beer and mothers only attend the Grudwara's to see what suits are in fashion, and get the weekly gossip! So True . Sikhi should be spread if not to advance the faith, but to educate and make aware that we exist and are here to stay. As with so many recent events in the news where by Sikhs are being attacked for their appearence, because the people who perpritate such crimes are scared of what they dont know. Some attacks will still happen no matter what, due to racist thugs , but others may be prevented with giving people knowledge.

Hi, Veer Ji you wrote basically something similar to what i was going to do. Ok, this is a difficult situation indeed. Marriage, is a big step in one's life and should not be taken lightly. You cannot make a generalisation that all Sikh men are good or bad, this can be said for any males who follow a particular faith. There are good people in the world and there are bad people. At the end of the day it is difficult for someone to answer your question without knowing the guy. All I can say is that don't be naive, ask him any questions that you really need to know the answers to. The previous post had some good points. I wish you well :TH:

:lol: I just saw the video on youtoube. So much for sikhi eh? the backround music is rap. These guys seem like a joke.It would be better to go to a proper Sikh Camp. Some of the things said by the young women are unfair as a generalisation of all Sikh men. The issues they talk about are being raised elsewhwere, are they living on another planet? I am from the UK, so I dont know anything about the movement, other than what has been posted. If there is an opportunity to talk to the people in charge then I think it is a good idea.

I think you already knew the answer to your question before you posted. Anyway it's No, a big NO. There are a number of people who don't smoke cigarettes who do this stuff, and back themselves up by saying that its not harmful to the body. Well, it IS as mentioned rightly by another member from the sangat that it DOES! Why do you want to even think about doing it, because it looks cool? Well it aint cool, the people who smoke it mimic the actions of a normal smoker. Some of the questions that are put up here make me wonder? :lol:

If he has set up around that area, then the local Gurdwara's need to be informed, so that they can tell the sangat to be cautious. :lol:

If the situation you have described has occured to you or anyone else you know, here is a potential solution, why don't you try to speak to the girl and explain your thoughts as you are doing now. It may not be easy to do, but in effect you could help change what people think. Keeping silent got me nowhere when I was at college or uni. I am a mona, but still got into similar situations i.e O that guy is religous or a fundamentalist, not at all I said and was merely a sikh activist. Explain why you keep your hair for starters. :lol:

What you suggesting that we cover them in a veil and beat them. No thanks many of the sisters on here wouldnt agree to that, women in Sikhism are more than just baby making machines and objects of lust. Sikh girls should be educated about how the brave Khalsa women faught moghul soldiers and how they made great sacrifices for their faith. Have you ever heard of a muslim woman who had picked up a sword and fought for her faith??? Well said Akhoza. Killahz if you get married would you subject your wife to the fear and domination you mentioned?Or would you like that to happen to your own sister/cousin etc? :lol: The girls from sikh families who stray away are those who do not have the correct knowledge about sikhi. For example, a girl who was put on the spot regarding her faith by let's say a muslim, due to her own lack of understanding, the muslim is then able to misconstrue our Guru Ji for his benefit and twist the mind of a young individual fairly easily. I have come accross a girl where this has happened, I demanded to meet the Muslim in question and challenged his view. The guy just turned out to some <banned word filter activated> who did not know much about his own faith and I quickly dismissed what he was saying. That is one way to counter-act such situations, providing you yourself have the right knowledge. There is no jadu, black magic or potions involed, these things dont exist.

Send them an email :Sat Sri Akaal mate I was browsing through this wonderful site that has pictures of really cute paki hunks The site is http://www.whyichosesikhism.com Hope you have a blast checking out those blokes Tried that they just say i'm not that dumb to do that... lol Is it just me or did you not express what you wanted to say more clearly, i.e the text in blue referring to paki hunks? Are you trying to say that when these girls in question see dedicated sikhs wearing the 5k's, they are automatically put off? Just to add what do you think should be done for any women born into a sikh family who behave in the way you are saying?

Gurfateh Veerji, with Maharaj's kirpa you'll be a Singh one day. Stay in Chardi Kala! Thanks to you both for your support. :TH: Respect :lol:

Veer ji, I think what you said is correct. I didn't post this article to make other members angry, but be aware and learn from such events. I truly hope the young girl in question has learned something from this as well as her family. There is something to that I have to admit to regarding your last comments. I am a mona myself and fit the profile you stated, please dont hold this against me my fellow sikh sangateers as i am learning. If all sikh males appear in the way Guru Ji says then there would be no confusion.