Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! No difference at all. 'Gur Parmesar Eko Jaan' The Gurbani does not lie. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Awww... Thanks you guys, so sweet, FYI I'm not up for marriage or pension yet Thankyou.... Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Actually, that's wrong, just another argument from the apologetics who want to brush the 'dubious' parts of Islam under the carpet to avoid answering them. This guy is part of the Salaf network, the true form of Islam based solely on the Sunnah and Quran, the Scholars have said 72 virgins are given to the Shaheeds only. The Shaheeds in Jihad are given this special bonus to mark their sacrifice, not the Muslims who haven't fought in Jihad. Although some Muslims distort the meaning of Jihad to say it means terrorism and suicide bombings, I think the majority believe it to be spiritual Jihad, the continuous war going on between right and wrong inside a person's heart. Gurfateh

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Welcome to the Khalsa Penji! Now we are true sisters! Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Its Yahoo Khalsa Bro, can you tell me what you would have said? I really would like to know how else I can answer, maybe you could post your answers, please? Thanks Gurfateh

Muslim (12:54:14 PM): So you know you said: : Ego is in reflecting over virtue and sin. So effectively, the prophets, ALL of them, were teaching falsehood because the entire middle-eastern tradition, which has spread over the world, is involved in sensual acts and judging what will lead to good deeds and sin saihajleenkaur (12:54:33 PM): seems so saihajleenkaur (12:55:21 PM): we believe they taught as much as they attained to, limited view, or perhaps what they taught wasn't implemented Muslim (12:58:13 PM): Moreover, the vast majority of all humans, have been, and its pretty safe to say, involved heavily in sensual actions. From the Prophets to the normal folks. It just seems to me that this high coveted state is only restricted for a very small elite (like the sufi elitists) and most of the people won't be able to achieve this state, let alone come near. This for me is burdensome upon the humans because their very nature is to experience the world. And thus they need a means which they can relate to easily with some hope that it is accessible. Your way seems extremely difficult and in my view, unrealistic because of its esoteric nature. saihajleenkaur (1:01:15 PM): Sikhism does not believe in elitism or asceticism, this is obvious even if you know the basics of Sikhi, in fact, this world is needed to experience God, it is that important, and the age you speak of, when all the Prophets came and preached their message means nothing in the sense of time of Vaheguru, so the older the religion really means nothing, Sikhi was present from the beginning, for those who grasped it, some Sufis may have, and their names are in our Guru, some Bhagats (Hi ndus) may have, and they are included too, and yes, the way of Sikhi is the most difficult of all, Guru Ji says 'Khaneyo tikhi valon nikki et marag jana' sharper than a sword and thinner than a hair's breadth, is the path of Sikhi saihajleenkaur (1:02:26 PM): yet Guru Ji says 'haran paran ja ja netar phor', countless Universes, worlds, suns, moons are destroyed and created in the time in takes for you to blink once, so time means nothing to Vaheguru, not in the sense we experience time saihajleenkaur (1:03:08 PM): we respect, or we have been ordered to respect all faiths and Prophets because although they preached truth, it was limited, and corrupted, however, the good things preached (which we can measure against the Gurbani) is a credit to them Muslim (1:03:36 PM): But in the end, its about us...not God. We want to know whether God has made the truth easy or burdensome, easily-accessible or seemingly-inaccessible Muslim (1:04:07 PM): I respect your understanding saihajleenkaur (1:04:37 PM): it is His will, you submit to the Guru's will, and the Guru will help you, it is very difficult, more so in this day and age yes, but not impossible Muslim (1:04:46 PM): But it still doesn't solve the idea that this state of inhumaness (ego-less state) seems very difficult to attain, and you have pretty much admitted to this saihajleenkaur (1:05:42 PM): well, difficult for us, it varies, may not be for someone else, we can't generalise, many Sikhs, actually mostly all of them, are at a higher level than me, so to me it looks impossible, to them it may even seem attainable Muslim (1:05:55 PM): Well, what about the other countless millions, billions...not everyone has been created upon extreme patience, perserverance and determination as some of these SMALL number of humans whom Allaah may have given this gift. What about them? saihajleenkaur (1:06:08 PM): countless what? Muslim (1:06:13 PM): people saihajleenkaur (1:06 :28 PM): what of them? Muslim (1:06:33 PM): I dont think many sikhs are even near what you say. They are humans, like us... saihajleenkaur (1:06:43 PM): then you haven't met the right ones Muslim (1:07:15 PM): I;m asking you to think of those alive today and in the past who fall under the category of being 'weak' saihajleenkaur (1:07:34 PM): I dont understand what I have not answered yet, what can't you understand? Muslim (1:07:49 PM): Not the lilliuptian (tiny) ones who are close to this coveted state of mind Muslim (1:08:21 PM): I'm asking you to give an explanation of this millions who will not be able to achieve this state because of its extreme difficulty saihajleenkaur (1:08:25 PM): well, Sikhism doesn't believe in the Buddhist belief that you do not need a Guru, or God to attain Nirvana saihajleenkaur (1:08:38 PM): The concept of the Guru makes it easier Muslim (1:08:43 PM): How? saihajleenkaur (1:09:39 PM): because, we need guidance, and the Guru gives us this, he acts as a map, and we need to learn how read the map, before following it, learning to read it falls under the category of discipline (code of conduct given to the Sikhs) Muslim (1:10:13 PM): But how is it possible for a person to get rid of all his sensual desires, is it possible for the millions to do this? No saihajleenkaur (1:11:14 PM): ok, well why is it important to have millions of people who have 'won' the challenge, does God need reassurance? does God need millions worshipping Him to exist? saihajleenkaur (1:11:23 PM): does he needs His ego satisfied? saihajleenkaur (1:11:33 PM): it is all His play Muslim (1:11:55 PM): God isn't subject to virtue or sin or anything else of this world, therefore, He is exempt from Ego saihajleenkaur (1:12:11 PM): good, we agree Muslim: (1:13:23 PM): Right...but I'm asking you: Why would good create us weak and expect us to strive for that which, fr om your own admittance, is difficult to achieve, which actually forces a human to go against his natural state which is to be involved with sensual actions and be constantly aware of good and evil, right and wrong. saihajleenkaur (1:15:21 PM): it's not easy, how difficult depends on your level of faith, I disagree with you that there are Sikhs out there who find this goal attainable, you will find it impossible, because you are 'conditioned' I will find it difficult, because I am still not learning how to read the map, because I am a beginner, and I break most of the rules daily ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Rochak Veer Ji, Khalsa Ji, watch this space Dhan Chote Sahibzade!

J: "He has not come to make things difficult for you, but to make things EASY" [al-Qur'an] "And Allaah is not calling you to something that is burdensome" [al-Qur'an] "And Allaah does not burden a soul more than it can take" [Al-qur'an] "This deen is easy" [Hadeeth] "I have not come but to make things easy for the people" [hadeeth] "What I have forbidden you, abstain. And whatever I have ordered you to do, do as much of it as you can" [hadeeth] Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: you find it easy? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: you know, it was more difficult than you imagine now, before the Guru's revealed their message, trust me, but now I want to ask you, do you find it easy to pray daily at the right time? to wake up on time? to concentrate in each prayer? do you find everything you have been ordered to do easy? and do you know of some Muslims who find it easier than you? it varies, of course J: Allaah wants us to worship Him alone, pray 5 times a day, give charity (obligatory), fast during the month of ramadaan, and do hajj (if one has the means). "A man asked the Messenger of Allaah: Do you think that if I perfrom the obligatory rayers, fast in Ramadaan, treat as forbidden that which is forbidden and do nothing further, I shall enter Paradise? He said: Yes" [Muslim] J: We do the above, which are doable by every human being since they are part of actions which are seen visually and one knows one can do them. But that which you call to is part of the mind, and even that is depedent upon shedding the very thing that makes one human, which is more easier? You decide Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: I thought it wasn't definate about who would enter paradise? S aihajleen Kaur Khalsa: well, that which is easier is not always correct J: Yes you're right, but its an indication of Allaah justice Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: in fact, things that are more of a challenge often promise greater rewards J: Making things easy for His creation...not difficult Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: no fun J: That goes without saying J: That is why there is the understanding of acquiring reward and having a higher status in Paradise Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: in fact, paradise and the concept seems equivalent of trying to entice a child with a better toy, nothing else Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: building up guilt, fear, that's all, or greed at the most J: no fun...its fun to pray 5 times a day so that you're entire life revovles around prayer and the rememberance of your Lord. And its fun to give charity knowing you are receiving good deeds which will help you on the Last Day. And its fun to move on from that as ones spiritual love of Allaah increases and do more superogatory prayers, and then waking up in the night and pray for the last 3rd of the night and call to Allaah and enjoin good and forbid evil. But all this is accessible and becomes easier as one grows from the bear minimum: 5 pillars Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: actually, the Sahibzade of the 10 the Guru (the spiritual Father of the Sikhs) aged 6 and 8 were promised the same 'rewards' in paradise, they chose not to accept, why? they chose the seemingly impossible path J: greed? J: Of course we humans need encouragement... Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: 5 times? the Khalsa is instructed to pray with his every breath Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: then you follow Allah to recieve better rewards than everyone else, that's not love Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: bargaining J: And Allaah has promised those who strive and do good endless rewards, SENSUAL pleasures the likes of which we dont know, with our wives in the hereafter. And then the greatest reward, seeing the face of our creator after which we will abide in complete serenity for eternity. What is more pleasurable and encouraging than that. Would you want to live this life with everything here knowing that there is nothing to look forward to except...being merged with God which you and I have no idea what that will be like, completely incomprehensible. What motivation is there in this? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: sensual pleasures are greater for you than merging with Vaheguru? J: Where talking about motivation J: What motivation is there in that which is incomprehensible? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: no motivation in love, the only motivation there is, is to meet the Beloved, you can compare that to the yearning of the lover, to meet his Beloved, although that is grossly limited, still, it's an example, to understand Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: what if your wives don't want you? J: Then so be it...there will be no ill hearts in paradise. Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: very limited view, chances are you may get what you hope for, but that is all Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: so women don't have a choice? J: eh?! Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: what if your wife chooses not to be with you? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: and you wish to be with her? J: Allaah says that one will have whatever one desires Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: clones? J: that includes women Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: tell me then, you want your wife, she wants another man, what will you do? J: Well, why would my wife not want to be with me in the hereafter when she was with me in this world. No Allaah will cause love to be with the husband and wives hearts for each other Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: perhaps because you choose to be with 72 virgins? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: so Allah will control who you love? no free will in Paradise? J: Although, this question of yours, whether wives will not not want to be with their husbands, I don't know about that Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: then maybe should find out, before you get married J: There is, but the laws in Parad ise will be different to the laws on this earth J: And since the Prophet said that in paradise there is nothing that the eyes have not seen nor the ears heard, not the tongue tasted, nor the heart desired. Meaning it will be unimaginable. Plus the laws will be different. So free-will will be subject to those laws Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: free will is subject to laws? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: I see J: here we go with the 72 virgins Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: so who gets the 72 virgins? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: well, it's interesting, to me J: 72 virgins will be for the martyrs as reward, not for any tom and paki. And we;ve been through this before, and you should know this J: if you want me to resend the email I will Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: yes, and the martyrs have no wives in this world? J: of course Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: what if they object? or are they not allowed to? J: but the question is: Will the wives be jealous as they are in this world. Since Allaah said there will be no Hasad, jealousy, evil speech rancourm, etc then the answer is obvious J: So let me ask you...now Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: so, the men will not be jealous of their wives sleeping around either Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: no, let me finish my questions Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: well? J: Since Allaah said there will be no Hasad, jealousy, evil speech rancourm, etc then the answer is obvious Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: right, then Allah will have to provide clones Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: otherwise it will be impossible J: why? Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: unless, you're saying there is no free-will in Paradise Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: which is what you're saying J: Free-will is subject to the laws of paradise Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: of which you have no knowledge Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: which brings me to my last question J: We have knowledge Since Allaah said there will be no Hasad, jealousy, evil speech rancourm, etc then the answer is obvious Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: Meaning it will be unimaginable. <---How can you be motivated for what is unimaginable to you? J: The delights of this world will be provided in the hereafter, but it will be beyond what we can imagine as sensations from this world. E.g. men & women will not age, the fountains water of that world will be sweeter than honey, etc. These are all known to a certain degree, but they cannot amount to the pleasures we will receive in the hereafter. J: So effectively, they are unimaginable... Saihajleen Kaur Khalsa: then we recieve the same pleasure whilst living in the will of our Guru, we get these 'glimpses' of what to come, and we have the same motivation in carrying on as you do, to attain what we find unimaginable

Silent Cry The story told by a voice mystical, to a child young for the very first time... The air about him had a choking sensation, he could only gasp a longing undescribable... His heart pained his soul cried, to no avail, for deafness was in the skies... His mind envisioned the beauty of such, the martyrdom of two princes whose valour he could only think of. He recalls that magical day, in "Sirhind" did his heart lay... His silence broken as the wind blew, as if indicating a longing to be fulfilled. He looked up, the sun shined strong, but he felt in his Heart, that something was wrong... He remembers the tale vividly clear, two young princes, appearing before "Baizid Khan". Their stride elegant, their beauty pure, as 'lions' did they enter their battle field. His ears remember, a melody of steel, The two Lions roared into battle, in a salute on hearing, the enemy crumbled... Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa! Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh!... Baizid Khan the Governor of Sirhind, startled... Could not believe his eyes. Two young playful aged Princes, stood before him fearlessly tall. Baizid Khan tried all tactics, to convert the young Princes to Islam, " Accept Islam!, he said, the riches of the world will be thine, the beautiful maidens will be thine, you will live a life, of bliss for all time"... Did speak the princes to Baizid Khan, " We the Sons of a Lion, His name thou know as Guru Gobind Singh Ji, We the grandsons of selfless sacrifice, His name thou know as Guru Teg Bahadur Ji, We the great g randsons of a saint and soldier, The ordainer of Miri-Piri, know Thee him as Guru Hargobind We the great great grandsons of a Martyr, of Divine Love Thou knowest him as Guru Arjun Dev Ji. The eyes of Guru Nanak, speaketh to thee Baizid Khan, we do not prize this materialistic world... Our Khalsa is our Life, it is the will of the Lord, Thou do what thy please, we accept not Islam, for we are the Sons of Khalsa, Guru Gobind Singh Ji." He recalls such valour, the amazement of the people in attendance, they could not believe what they saw, two Princes aged 6 and 8, fearlessly confronting, Baizid Khan... After all efforts failed Baizid Khan... Did speak, Diwan Sucha Nand, a Hindu by faith, a devil at heart... He spoke a curse, that went against all teachings, of this, only God knew of ... Sucha Nanda spoke... " Baizid Khan, The serpent (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) we see, has caused thee much trouble, and he is but only one... The young serpents of such poison, if thee let live, will one day cause such upheaval the world has not seen of..." The Quazi spoke, " Baizid Khan... The two you see before thee, are a determent to Islam, it is thy duty to fulfil. I order the sentence, that they should be executed at once..." He recalls, the cheerful look, the smile, on the faces of the two young Princes... They spoke... The court and those in attendance, looked on in awe... " Quazi! Is that all you can do?!, We fear not death, We keep it with us, wherever we go... Quazi, commence thy sentence at once!" He recalls the poetic picture, of such, he can not describe... The two princes standing tall, amongst a wall of blood-thirsting-bricks. A house of Khalsa, he saw being built, the foundation supported by sacrifice, He saw the blood of such fragrance, the wind within forever carries with time... He remem bers such bravery, The brick at the knee of the prince was to be placed. The brick layer saw that the prince's flesh was in the way, so he broke a brick to bypass the flesh. To such did speak, with such valour prince Zorawar Singh. "Thou art building the house of the Khalsa, what are thy doing?!. The foundation must be fully completed. Remove the flesh that is in thy way, for the house of the Khalsa must be of unbroken bricks." His spine shivered, when such words were spoken, Only then... did he understand, the glory of this sacrifice. He looked up into the now dying sun, He knew now that the heavens were still... The two Princes that God had ordained, had gone back to their Godly domain. Of such sacrifice did he witness, Of which will never be surpassed ever again, may God be witness to such a claim... Source: By Jaswinder Singh (Toronto, Canada) http://www.bsingh.dsl.pipex.com/khalsa/jas.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dhan Dhan Chote Sahibzade of Guru Ji!

Neo, I was kidding, you still don't know my height Yahoooooooooooooooooo!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Im 5'6 or maybe 5'7 on a good day, is that healthy?! Everyone's got me worried now Gurfateh

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! It is very common, I live near Southall and these boys do this to compete with the Muslim hooligans on Eid. They compete on who is the loudest and who celebrates with more 'style'. This is all a stupid competition between boys who actually have no faith but use it to pick fights with others. Something must be done, if we had posters we could distribute them everywhere, I would love to for one. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Happy Birthday Bro!

Sants that help you in understanding Guru Ji mean nothing? I find that hard to believe. Baba Isher Singh Ji inspiring and encouraging 7 lakh people to take Amrit means nothing in your own individual path? We just dismiss everyone as fake these days, so sad to see this narrow mindedness creeping into Sikhi, similar to the Wahabism in Islam.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! MKhalsa, at least don't insult the Bhagats of Guru Ji as mere 'humans', I didn't expect this from you. You ever heard of the Gurbani tuk 'Har Ka Sewak Har Hee Jeha?' Does that tell you how we should respect Mahapurukh? Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Happy Birthday Veer Ji!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! I am very shocked reading this post. This seems like a very petty topic, and I don't how anyone can gain anything either educationally or spiritually from such a thread. What is the point in this continuous slinging match(es) between forums, we are all Sikhs, can't we stay united? We are getting weaker as it is. Rupinder, I thought you were a good person, I am sure you are, but I really didn't like the way you used my name in your post, you don't know who I am, what I am like, yet you implied many things which are really offensive about me. Please don't get me involved with anything you have against SA or Bik, I am here to learn, just like you, and that's as far as it goes. Bik is like a mentor to me, he helped me when I was doubtful of Sikhi and encouraged me to become Amritdhari and try to stay in Chardi Kala. I don't want to insult anyone, least of all another Sikh, so please forget these childish accusations (which had recently stopped, thankfully) and let's stick together, otherwise we are an easy target for the anti-Sikh movements just waiting to move in on us. There is no point in this fighting, despite what people say, SA has tried only to bring awareness to the youth, if there was a hidden agenda, I would have not hesitated to leave. The team is so passionate to provide whatever Sewa is possible for people interested in Sikhi (and we don't get paid to sit there going through so many posts a day). Please don't get into this silly game of who is what and so on, it's really not something which befits a daughter of the Guru. Dhan Guru Nanak Dev J i tells us: par ni(n)dhaa par mal mukh sudhhee agan krodhh cha(n)ddaal || Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium. May Vaheguru bless you with peace. Gurfateh

Thanks Neo Ji, wondeful information Praising the beloved Saints of the Lord makes Him happy, I don't see anything wrong about this.

Waheguru

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! We were given the surname Singh (meaning Lion) for a reason. The Lion has many unique habits which sets it apart from other animals. A few are strength, the fact that it has intimate relations once in it's lifetime (hence control over Kaam) and also when it hunts, it eats only it's own hunted prey (shikar). Which means it fends for itself and does not rely on others. Also, when it's attacked, it doesn't move in the opposite direction and run off, it faces the opponent and the attack without fear (bravery). So, all these attributes make the Lion the 'King' of all animals because of his natural unique abilities, there must have been a reason as to why Guru Ji gave his Sikhs the name Singh. Babaji was therefore fond of the Lion, it's symbol and it wasn't as if they hunted them down to make these rugs out of them, I asked my Dad and he said people donated a lot of stuff, as Sewa, and these rugs were pre-made and Babaji used to like these very much. Who can tell the real reasons as to why Puran Mahapurukhs do certain things, it's beyond my limited human comprehension, just tried to express my reasons. Hope it helps. Gurfateh Ps. Some Chaur Sahib's are made out of Peacock feathers.

As predicted, this is growing into a 'Sant bashing' thread, so I can't be bothered anymore, thanks for ruining it people, must say, it wasn't very original. Gurfateh

Very noble of you, although why you started it is beyond my comprehension. Anyway, well done.

Yeah, shows we should be careful of judging without real proof

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Welcome Kaur Penj Don't worry about the people who call us names without knowing who we are. You don't need to defend yourself, because you didn't do anything other than want people to share their views and learn about Sikhi. *hug* As for Lalleshwari, well Truth Bhaji has given him a chance to defend himself and argue his case, and he has done so. You may read this at the SA site that you all condemn but visit regularly B) Gurfateh