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any news? where you thinking of doing it? we need to be outside the high commission in central london really. let us know and we try and come down as well

yo hang on, who are you to be saying that!? how can you say what i or others think about guru granth sahib ji? tu koi mama lagda? watch your mouth and get off your high horse, 'shows what they think of guru ji'. what kind of crap is that? nobody has said that if you dont do parkash of dasam granth that your disrespecting anything or anyone, but you lot keep talking as if the rest of us are all pappi's!! so every single singh who has ever done joint parkash is guilty of beadbi according to you. you have just condemned many of the greatest gursikhs who have lived. great singh you are. ill say it again, your views on what 'we think' are based on your brain! you cant imagine what i think or feel, so who gives you the right to say that i do this and therefore i must mean this etc. like k-z said, if you got some self respect and want to put your words into action, come down next time we have a programme and do what you wana do? we'll see what happens. you wont leave singhs alone will ya, always nit picking and finding something new to argue over. well sod it, ajo, you wana sort it, bring it. we told you again and again just let us do what we want, but u keep goin on and on, well step up and stop it then. i got no problems carryin on, like i said i stand with sant ji and the shaheed singhs. this "handful" si enough for me. tusi jo marji karo.

Lol at V, your already having a heart attack that somebody is doing dasam granth parkash, if we start talking about sarbloh granth then i guess we prob start singing kirtan sohila for you! Do i look like the jathedhar of the gurdwara sahib at taksal? If they want to do parkash of sarbloh granth then good go for it, no problems what so ever, if they dont then that fine as well. Nihang singhs do parkash of all 3 granths, no problems at all. Tera ki dokh dah he? Bhai gurdas ji dia varan and bhai nand lal ji di ghazala etc are not GURBANI. They are fully stakar jog but are not GURBANI. honestly its like speaking to a bunch of kids sometimes. is your budhi that upside down that you cant tell the difference between gurbani and gursikha di bani? I repeat again, i dont care for deol, or vedanti or any badal chamcha, the only man who i respect in any of this is SANT JARNAIL SINGH JI. he and the shaheed singhs happily had the parkash of guru granth sahib ji and dasam granth sahib ji, took hukumname from both, learnt and studied both. and in the end the singhs gave their shaheedia. THOUSANDS of singhs walked into those darbars and mutha tekhed to both and then went and fought like lions. if it was so wrong, somebody would have spoken up. you can use pretty language all you like about sharda and bhavna etc. fact is either you say Sant Ji was wrong for doing dasam granth ji da parkash, or you just shut up and let the people who do the parkash get on with their bhagti and keep your noses out.

ghorandar At every step we look at what sikhs have done in the past to try and understand their actions, so looking at sant jarnail singh ji is a valid point. You say belief is an evolution of thought, so by that i can assume that you think that the mat/thought of vedanti, makkar, badal etc is more evolved then that of sant jarnail singh ji? that he was a bechara who didnt understand satkar for guru granth sahib ji, or didnt understand where dasam granth ji stood in comparison to guru granth sahib ji? come on, let somebody openly say that sant jarnail singh ji did beadbi of guru granth sahib ji by having joint parkash? if your thinking it you may as well just say it? and if you think im banging on and on about sant ji, i dont care, ill bang this drum da and night until i go deaf!! talking about amrit cereminies is however a different topic. discussing the parkash of gurbani is what we are talking about. your point on amrit sanchar is totally off tangent. fact is that gurbani was treated with 100% satkar by all the gurus and was treated equal to themselves. you will all sing and quote 'bani guru guru he bani' when it suits you, but here suddenly everyone finds excuses!! i agree with you namastang. very good article as well. shad pureh, waste of time fighting as usual!

When Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself is present, they why would you need parkash of the dasasm bani, when the bani itself is alive and walking and talking? Sorry but no bubble has been burst. You have not answered the question. Would sant ji have done beadbi of guru granth sahib ji? Yes or no? If no, then why on earth would he allow dasam granth sahib ji to be parkash next to guru sahib in mehta? Sant has done more then any of these muppets for guru granth sahib ji. what he preached he practiced. these puppets will talk but NEVER implement any of their statments. i have asked previously if they would every go to mehta and nihang dals and stop the parkash. answer = no. regarding the 'handful' of sikhs comment. Indira gandhi made the same comment as well. if it only a handful of sikhs then you should no problem sorting them out. Bring it on! With guru sahibs kirpa we have both guru granth sahib ji and dasam granth sahib ji parkash at our home each year in honour of the shaheeds of the quam. you want to do something about it, ajo more then welcome, lets see how you deal with this 'handful' of sikhs. handful da lagda. sant jarnail singh ji, shaheed bhai manvir singh chaheru, shaheed bhai gurbachan singh ji manochal, shaheed bhai surinder singh ji sodhi etc etc etc are all in this handful. you wana talk about handfuls? and no the comparison is not flawed. At the time of guru granth sahib ji, the guru-gaddi was with guru arjan dev ji. and look at the pyar and satkar maharajh had for guru granth sahib ji. why? because it was GURBANI, the same way the bani in dasam granth sahib ji is GURBANI!! how can you not understand this very easy and simple concept!! FACT is that guru arjan dev ji did parkash of guru granth sahib ji, as it was gurbani and deserved satkar being gurbani. accoridng to your matta he was wrong. sorry to burst your bubble, but the panth for me doesnt mean a bunch of sell outs who lick badal's buttocks! the panth are those that live and die fr sikhi, not for their kursia and awards and siropa's! and you can keep your cheeky comments to yourself V, unless your going to back them up. know what i mean? as for even their other matta's, personally they dont bother me much, whoever seems to be able to apply the most pressure gets what he wants from them. One thing you guys have forgoten is that yes the thakat is Akal's, the throne of akal. but that doesnt mean that the man sitting there represents akal purkh or even works according to akal purkh. you can take your guidance from sell outs, ill take mine from the true king, guru granth sahib ji. and singhstha, you dont know me, so dont you dare try and suggest that i only consider guru granth just to be a granth. what a stupid thing to say. did you ever think that perhaps the arguments stem out of pyar for gurbani? out of satkar for guru gobind singhs ji bachans? ever think of that? nah, we aint elite like you super khalsa's are we?! i actually agree that sinec guru granth sahib ji was gurbani it had the jyot of the guru. but the same applies to that of dasam granth sahib ji. you cant say that guru granth sahib ji had the guru jyot as it was gurbani and that dasam granth ji doesnt! its a contradiction. the fact is that those of us who do parkash of both granths do it of of love simple as that. the only reason we even bother to speak out is because you feel you have the right to tell us not to love gurbani in the way we do. nobody says or thinks that guru granth sahib ji is any less then our guru at all. but in your heads this is a problem, i have no idea why so i cannot understand your way of thinking or your problem. i'll take the lead from those that have shed their blood for this panth, given their everything for the satkar of guru granth sahib ji. You take your's from vedanti and co.

It seems that the anti dasam granth brigade are deploying new tactics to sideline the bani of guru gobind singh ji. Now while kind of accepting the bani they had decided to ban (lol) the parkash of dasam granth sahib ji next to guru granth sahib ji. There reason for this is that since guru granth sahib ji is the guru no other granth should be parkash or even given the same satkar. Some singhs have argued that this has happened historically. Well this has happened historically right up to the present date. If anyone can point out a single man out of these singh sahibs or jathedhars who have done more for the panth and more to highlight satkar of guru granth sahib ji then sant jarnail singh ji khalsa bhindranwale did please point him out. The whole movement around 1984 and sant ji was based on respect to guru granth sahib ji. listen to sant's speeches and see what he has to say about guru sahib. and yet sant ji had dasam granth ji parksah next to guru granth sahib ji at the gurudwara sahib in mehta. Now if this was such a massive beadbi, do we really think sant jarnail singh ji would have let this happen? For everyone who has pyar for sant ji, just ask yourself, was he the kind of man who would do beadbi himself and somehow lower the status of guru granth sahib ji? Answer is no. So just on this point i'll argue that this isnt beadbi. On a historical level also the parkash of dasam granth sahib ji (or another granth as they say) with guru granth sahib ji is not wrong. Singh doing vichar advised that when guru arjan dev ji was guru, he had parkash of 'guru' granth sahib ji at the same time. even though guru granth sahib ji was not the guru, parkash was done and full satkar was given on the same level as to guru arjan dev ji. after this all the next gurus had equal parkash of guru granth sahib ji, but THEY were the guru, not guru granth sahib ji. but as this was bani of the gurus it was given the full and same satkar. when guru gobind singh ji was guru he also had guru granth sahib ji at the same level as him. so if we say that no other granth can be parkash next to guru sahib, then this must mean that guru arjan dev ji, guru har gobind sahib ji, guru har rai sahib ji, guru har krishan sahib ji, guru tegh bahadur sahib ji and guru gobind singh sahib ji ALLLL did beadbi by having 'another granth' parkash next to the guru??!! i think we all need to stop and think before people start passing these mattas or accepting them. To accept this matta in my opinion, is to accept that the guru sahib were guilty of the above, i.e. doing parkash of any other granth next to guru ji. Therefore I for one will not be accepting this matta as it is not based on any gurmat and is another sign of the puppets and politics of punjab.

The taksal destroyed the akal takhat hey? hmmm so much for talking about the panth, i thought that the panth had gathered as sarbat khalsa and the panth had decided to rebuilt the akal takhat by first taking down the one rebuilt by santa singh using govt money and helpers. so your saying that the panth should have just kept santa singhs one? bulleh tere. that whole action was done on the basis of the kharkhoo singhs, the ones who gave the kurbania, they decided that the panth's throne should not be built by those sitting on delhis throne or her subjects and followers. youve shown your 'panthic' colours havent u toofan. all the singh soorme were wrong, and your right lol ! and as for the sgpc, from what i understand, the sarbat khalsa disbanded the sgpc didnt they? can someone confirm? so if this is true, the sgpc are not even a legal body as far as gurmat is concerned. during the kharkhoo days nobody bothered with the sgpc! they only started off again after all the singhs gave shaheedia ... what does that say to you?

will you be leading the way mr sarbloh?

With the coffins/funeral boxes, we made those i think on the 20th anniversary. They were really effective, unfortunetly we didnt get media attention cus i think on the the ex american presidents died on the same day or something like that? The people carrying them also had their mouths gagged with cloth which had the words 'THE DEAD HAVE NO VOICE' written on them. Pics are on the net somewhere. Problems we had with all this was mainly to do with the organisers. The comments we received were that it was 'beadbi' to be carrying coffins (they werent real coffins, we had to make 20 of them by chopping, sawing and hammering wood together! They also didnt want the coffins to go at the front as that was where the organisers should stand!! (im talking about the FSO guys here). Overall they tried to make it difficult, but they were told politely cough where to go and problem was resolved. However this kind of mentality may come again, as it still the same people. We have also used sandwich boards (the ones you wear over ur shoulders with a message on the front and the back) in the past which were also very effective. They were i think A2 size and had a number of messages on them again pics are on the net somewhere, we had little kids walking about 8 in a line holding hands with around 8 or 9 lines in total i think. very very effective, even the cops said that they thought the message was very hard hitting. unfortunetly we had the same mentaility from the jathedhars. but oh well. With the black clothes, my mum told me how in the past they would do exactly that. all the women would dress in black suits and black chunnis and go to the march like that. Candles wont work as is broad daylight and the wind will simply blow them out especially when its a moving protest. New english slogans have been used in the past, but people just seem more comfortable shouting the good old ones and arent as loud or enthusiastic trying the new ones. But needs to be done. One thing i will say is that we need to decide what the PURPOSE of the march is. Is it to create awareness and educate the bystanders? Is it to send a message to India? Is it both of the above? this year was a confused mess, with no real message coming out and no real purpose. Before we start making plans on what to do, we need to seriously think WHY we are doing it. the strategy you adopt will depend on the purposes you decide.

Its been a while since i read the sakhi associated with this shabad, so forgive me if i get some bits out of place. In the sant kirpal singh steeks he mentions that the story is to do with Bhagat Kabeer Ji and his wife Mata Loi. (Sorry again this is from the top of my head, would need to check pothi again to be 100% sure) one day bhagat kabeer ji was out and a devotee came to visit him. mata ji was home and invited the devotee inside. The sevak wanted liberation and mukhti from bhagat kabeer ji and asked mata ji to do kirpa on him. Mata ji told him to repeat the name of god, he did, then she said say it again, he did, then she said say it once more, so he did. So in total the devotee said gods name 3 times and mata ji said his request would be fulfilled. when bhagat kabeer ji returned home he heard about the story and got furious with mata ji. he asked her why she made the devotee say gods name 3 times, was the name not powerful enough to save him by just repeating it once? on saying this bhagat ji turned his back on mata ji and refused to talk to her. It is at this point that mata ji said these lines to bhagat kabeer ji (who later i guess used them, they may have been slightly diff when first said). When mata ji is talking to Bhagat ji, she is talking to him both as her husband and also recognising him as the true light of vaheguru i.e. bhramgianni. When the light of vaheguru turns his back on her she cant bear the seperation, she cant handle that vaheguru is upset with her. and she cries that no matter what she will never let go of him. she then explained why she made the devotee say the name of god 3 times. i cant remember the exact 3 things, but on hearing them bhagat kabeer ji was satisfied and was happy with mata loi. In the last bhangti bhagat kabeer ji says 'sunoh re loi' loi here is the name of his wife. i cant remember the arth of the last bhangtis so it may mean both people and his wife. again sorry for the mish mash version of the sakhi, im sure someone else will be able to give a more concise account.

Not sure how many people are aware of this story below. It seem that Mecca was held infiltrated by certain muslims who believed the 'rehat' wasnt being followed properly, they took hostages and the saudi army and french had to attack and kill them. The surviving group were all beheaded. Its interesting because although it is obviously not the same as the attack on darbar sahib, general brar (the guy doing the interview on the parkarma and who said something like 'we entered with prayers on our lips and humility in our hearts') one of the generals who attacked darbar sahib used the mecca incident as a kind of justification for attacking darbar sahib. saying that even in the past when neccesary the army have had to attack religious places. Dont mean to start a debate on whether the attack was right or wrong (thats kind of obvious!) but interesting to see the differences in the 2 scenarios. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_Seizure Also found some footage of the leader of the group that seized the mosque, (havent listened to it yet so apologies if its rubbish!) seems to show the attackers the army, the survivors etc. (could be some graphic images so be warned). http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2007_09_27_blogarchive.html Theres a book out recently on this topic which was what caught my eye in the first place. Anyway see what you think!

well seeing as they never take any action on any other point, i dont think they will action this either. lots of bark but no bite. there is so much action these men should be doing, but they dont. if they do decide to action this so called mata it will be hilarious! because they choose to do nothing to remember the shaheeds of 84 (ie the planned memorial), they have done little to follow up the ram raheem fiasco, etc. but they are all in a huff and a puff because suddenly they realise something which has been happening for years and which causes NO HARM at all! youth abusing drugs, alochol, their kesh, the land, the rivers, the singhs still in prisons, the widows etc these are the issues they should be dealing with. but why kid ourselves they wont do anything for anything. my suggestion is therefore to stop arguing, people have tried to light a fire and then sit back and watch, lets not give them the satisfaction. this is all just goverment tricks to make the sikhs weaker. please dont let them achieve their goals.

hang on hang on!! so basically people are talking rubbish then! How can you pass a mata and then not action it!?! It shows how empty and pointless the jathdhars at this point in time! What is the point in having this 'veechar', passing acts etc and then not wanting to implement them due to causing problems! wouldnt it be better not to say anything in the first place if your not going to do anything about it. there is one word for this ... and i wont type it here but we all know what it is! if they beleive something and can have these big meetings and abuse their positions, then they should have the 'footballs' to do what they say!! bundha thanks for the reply, what you said is 100% correct. it seems like were loosing the deep spirituality and understanding of our faith and become plain, simple and unintelligent rather then the wonderful sikhs maharajh wanted us to become! i repeat again, this whole episode is politics to split the panth again. no jathedhars or sgpc force will do anything, but the sangat outside will start arguing and fighting as usual. the panth needs freedom from the shackles of the indian govt, the akal takhat also needs freedom from the tentacles of the indian govt and other self serving politicians and individuals.

Very simple question ... Are those who are crying that there should not be parkash of dasam granth sahib ji actually going to do anything about it? Its a fact that there is parkash of dasam granth sahib ji done at damdami taksal metha, next to and parallel to that of guru granth sahib ji. From my understanding guru sahib ji sits on the left side (as we look at maharajh) and dasam granth sahib ji is on the right. Will the SGPC action force or whatever they are called go there and stop this from happening? Keep in mind that this parkash has been there from day one, from when the gurdwara sahib was first built by sant kartar singh ji. Now on one hand we all praise sant jarnail singh ji as being the one person who stood up for guru granth sahib jis satkar when maharajh was being attacked from all over, and yet now we accuse him of doing beadbi by having dasam granth sahib ji parkash as well!! anyway will the action group sort this out? will they also go to other places and sort them out as well? or is it just another excuse to have the sikhs fighting each other ... i wonder who gains from that hey! cough cough badal and co ... cough cough

nope me neither! all he is doing is posting a few stories from gursikhs jeevans! ever heard of live and let live?

:lol: Ok then Mr Spokesperson for every jathebandi! I guess the taksali's and nihang singhs (and non-jathebandi singhs) that i know who do this type of path must be imaginary then!

iv never had to take my kirpan off when iv been to courts, if you stand your ground iv found that you can take it in. i guess it might depend on different courts/people you meet there.

I did say earlier that i wouldnt justify any act, mainly because we dont have the facts to be able to do so. and those facts are still not available. Is that a slap? Yeh it is in one way. If he was meant to die, he would have been dead, but he's not. We dont have information on the extent of his injuries so cant say too much, but in punjab and even in the west, injuries as shown in the pic may be called getting 'slapped up'. Depends on how much violence you have been involved in. and beacuse apparently you cant read, ill repeat in all the reports posted it does not say that the women were attacked. it says that they rushed to help the guy and were injured. again think a little bit and you will see that there is a HUGE difference in the two different points! and you sit there naming these other people, well tell me something, how do you know that people haven't tried getting to them? How can you possibly throw around stuff like that when you have absolutely no clue as to what is happening, has happened etc etc. Dont you feel a bit foolish saying that when you cant say whether someone has tried or has not tried. Someone threw a bomb at sirsa wala, someone stabbed bhanirewala in the head, for ashutosh no public reports have been made as to what has been done to him. These people also have the highest level security available, maybe thats because people ARE trying to get at them. Now lets think before we type next time shall we? or better still, do it yourself! again im not interested in justifying the acts above, im just interested in peoples reactions to somebody else actually stepping up to the line and doing something! We can disagree with the people that is fine, we can even disagree that maybe it was over the top end of the day we dont know what happened fully!, but what makes me laugh is when people say that they should 'get' someone else. They got whoever they wanted, if you want to do some other action, then simple ... DO IT!! anyway iv had enough of this discussion, so im out.

Yes it does actually. The guru granth sahib ji expects full devotion and sacrifice be given for one's guru. And one should do anything for the sake of their guru. And the 'other granth' as you call it is the pavitar Sri dasam granth sahib ji. So yes it passes the test with ease. Again with reference to the women, read the reports, the women themselves got in the way. You cant expect to do that and have a lathi etc stop midway through the air! Also indira ghandhi was a woman who was shot. So mr chardikhala will you also suggest that bhai satwant singh ji and bhai beant singh ji were not real sikhs? You say armed response is a last resort. Well again JUST based on the reports you will see that he was approached on 2 occasions by people before he was given juthia. And he responded in 'plain language'. that plain language means he told them to go 'stuff themselves'. So yes other means were used first. On top of this, there has been so much parchar regarding people insulting guru sahib, that nobody can claim they didnt know. This was a deliberate step. And i am afraid but this is the typical backward mentality of some people these days! Everyone crys out loud that hai hai people are insulting guru sahib and nobody is doing anything!!! When somebody does something we say why did they do that for! If people go to deal with external threats to sikhi (eg namdharis- as in India they do not see themselves as normal sikhs but as namdhari's- thats what i have personally seen) then people will reposnd and say, why attack them when you have people in your own ranks who also question guru sahib (eg the guy who got slapped). If people go to deal with the internal threats, then people say why are you dealing with small fish when there are bigger problems!! I guess instead of doing anything we should just sit and cry about stuff over the internet!! lol whats the point in even discussing this nobody can win!!!!

Guys if you read the new stuff that came out it said that the guy was attacked and that the women went to his aid. During that its obvious that they run the risk of getting hit. You cant expect to try and help someone being attacked and not expect to get hit a bit as well. Not that it makes it any better, but lets not make a mountain here! Sarpanch you ask who am i to question you? Sorry but if you read up the thread a little bit you will see that it is YOU that started questioning other people first. I simply readressed your own questions back to you. If you cant answer them yourself then dont point fingers at others! Its as simple as that!! You say you tried to sort out the namdharis and were not succesful. Fair enough you tried. Yet you point the finger at people in punjab for failing to do the same thing that you failed to do!! So whats the deal with that! And if sirsa was a punjab thing, then this is also a punjab thing, why are you getting involved in this? Why did you comment on this issue if it has nothing to do with you? And you say that everyone shut up about the sirsa thing ... well apparently the people who threw a bomb at his car havent shut up. Im guessing the family of shaheed kamwaljit singh dont think its a joke either. Nor have the singhs going around the villages where he has had an effect and are doing gurmat parchar to turn the sikhs back towards sikhi. They use gurbani, gurmat and pyaar. And sometimes when the need arises they draw the sword. Just because the day to day stuff done by singhs across punjab doesnt make newslines doesnt mean it doesnt happen! The press will only ever pick up on things like this, the sikhs in the west should be more then aware of this! End of the day we can cuss them and question them all we want, but until we get down to it and put our own necks on the line we should be careful about what we say. Yeh of couse sometimes people may get things wrong. But the reaction needs to be measured. And when guys from the UK start mouthing off when they havent got a clue it is kinda funny, but sad at the same time. And yes i have no idea of who the top mans are. But im sure you do. So im looking forward to reading about how you deal with them in the future (in india since im assuming that where they live) since the fake taksalis, fake nihangs, fake akj's fake everyone else in the world doesnt know how to do it. Oh and a little wake up call, the armed police came yeh? And nobody was shot or killed or tortured? Try doing that in Punjab and see the outcome. At least try and show some understanding of the facts of life. You can cuss all you like friend if thats what makes you happy. Some of us are here to please guru sahib. You please whoever you want to please. Night night oh yeh and ps OBVIOUSLY since i disagree with you i must be a pakhandi and dehdhari worshipper and protector! How did i hide my secret shame all these years!! Thank god (a human dethdhari god obviously!!!) that the sikh panth has you

From the limited reading and budhi akal purkh has granted me, it seems that throught sri dasam guru granth sahib ji, guru sahib has added his commentary to give his position on the various translations he has done. For example at certain points in the krishan and ram avtar katha, guru sahib will praise and then criticise certain actions of these avtars. He makes it clear that he does not worship the avtars as vaheguru. I would make one other comment, that to understand dasam granth bani, we first need to read guru granth sahib ji bani. reason being that when we get to certain parts of guru granth sahib ji that we cant understand (eg guru sahib refers to a character from ancient history) then we either move on without understanding the shabad, or we have to look at external sources for the information on who this character was and what he or she did to be included in the pavitar bani of guru granth sahib ji. Well the answers to many of these questions are in the pavitar bani of guru dasam granth sahib ji. But as most of us dont read enough gurbani (if any!) we will never fathom or study these points, and instead as brother has said above, we either scream and shout or lash out. The answers to everything are within gurbani, we just need to make an effort to read!

Radical? More like Terrorist can't fight the Indian govt instead these so called Taksalis - GurSikhs go around attacking families ,go fight the real enemy - bunch of idiots,hope the Panjab Police pick them up then we see whos a GurSikh or not You dont even know what happened. So shut the hell up. The dude was beaten up for saying Guru Granth Sahib was not given Gurtagaddi by Guru Gobind Singh. No you shut the hell up , OOoOoO he said Gurgadi wasn't given ,well incase you or these Taksali puppets did not know the Kookeh have been claiming that and hundreds of other things for over a hundred years where were the Panthic soorma's then????? Why not go raid that Behni place of the Kooka place???????????????When they insult our Guru for over hundred years,claim Guru Gobind Singh got shook and hid cos he couldnt take the Sahibzadehs shaheedi , claim Gurmuki is a British invention along with anand karaj burn angs of GURU SAAB where are people like you and them then? Them mans should read this crap and learn about REAL THREATS instead of idiots who write crap and who are not a threat http://namdhari.faithweb.com/ People like them can go out for little fish ,but when a Physical Challenge in front of Guru Granth Sahib has been there for over a hundred years ie :Namdharis with with their sheer crap stories no one says nothing and still call them Sikhs .Just shows what a bunch of ****************** these fake taksalis are Ouch looks like some painful juthia there!! As usual theres bound to be more to the story then the news article above. Wonder what else will come out over the next few days, either way, the police will prob deal with it as it does seem excessive! Just reading the usual garbage posted by sarpanch made me laugh again. What i love is that sitting in england it is so ever so easy to throw allegations at those in punjab. Are there namdharis in southall? yes. Has sarpanch and his 'crew' dealt with them since they are doing all this beadbi? NO. Was sarpanch and his 'crew' around when sirsa stuff was happening? yes. Did any of them go to india to fight? did any of them go to sirsa? Did any of them deal with the baba? NO. Can sarpanch and his crew actually read gurbani, do santhia, katha, gatka etc etc? Not sure, but answer is probably NO. Can sarpanch and crew post some you tube videos? HECK YEH!!!!! From reading the news piece it does look excessive, but theres bound to be more to it then stated. It may not mean much to other people, but even in the news piece it says that he was asked to apologise on 2 occasions, each time refusing. I would bet that this was in addition to the usual punjabi akhar you know the 'do what you like i aint afraid brruah' kinda thing. and well if thats happened, then in punjab you will get juthia. it doesnt make it right, but its the way things work out there. its hard for us westerners to understand sometimes. Either way, of course everyone has the right to agree or disagree with anothers actions, but lets not be hypocrites and just mouth off when we dont do nothing ourselves. And using *** to disguise swear words is pathetic. If you want to do something better then the people there are doing sarpanch, there are flights to punjab every day, fly over and deal with these guys, deal with the naamdharis, deal with the diff dodgy dere etc etc. Or just sit here and mouth off. I wonder what your going to do? hmmm We also have very short memories, from reading the chattar/jeevan story, the papers then mentioned a 'radical group' and everyone was saying well done!! could it be the same guys? when the sirsa stuff was going on and a 'radical group' was going agaianst the jathedhars and demanding action agasint sirsa and saying stuff the apologies and eveyone said yes to them ... could they also be the same guys ...? Food for thought hey? Oh and one other thing. The people who get involved in stuff like this are probably aware that when they get picked up by the police they will get badly beaten and tortured. Many of these guys have probably already been tortured on a number of occasions. Puts things into a different light when you realise that doing anything in punjab will have a VERY painful reaction from the police. much easier to talk here, but walking the walk there is very difficult and painful. Final comment is that i dont intend to justify the above act, just adding some comments to help think outside the box.

Whats needed is a viable alternative. At the moment there doesn't appear anyone in southall clean enough for the sangat to stand behind. Everyone seems into it for their own benefit. The reason most dont care to get involved is that they dont believe anything will change.

oh hang on the sakhi was about people who practiced sikhi rather then just scream and shout about it ... no wonder you were confused

some people have really honestly lost the plot! Shame that they have the same name as one the greatest sikhs of all time!