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So here is the lastest lunacy - I cannot believe how these people associated with building the new gurdwara would not realise what hypocracy this is - they are hosting a hip hop, bhangra and giddha night in order to raise funds for a new gurdwara! HAs the world gone mad?! How can you build something with rotten foundations? Please see attached flyer. Helpfully, there is a contact number on itwhereby the sangat can get more information!

This idiots make me sick. You think if they'd taken Allah's name they'd be getting away with this sort of major disrespect?? What can we do to stop this though? We're in a mess from top down, everyman just more interested in power/money in SGPC/ Akal Takhat etc. These 3h0 people need to be shown just how direspectful it is.

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someone needs to be able to push this point at the Panth Time tomorrow evening at RST. Surely the Sikh channel wouldnt edit something like that out, would they!?

What I find surprising is just how it is possibly victimisation. Look at the facts. The first gurdwara to be requested to shut the hall and did so was Edinburgh's one - traditionally called "Bhatra". Grays was the same again. So if those two were "bhatra" (i hate these labels we use) then how can it possibly be an attack on these "Ramgarhia's" - perhaps someone could ask this on panth time! it is very confusing. Second, and more important point is the fact that the Gurdwaray that have these halls come up with "financial reasons" for not closing the hall...hmmm... now, if we take a look at the accounts of RST, which I've attached to this post, you'll see certain key pieces of info i'd like to highlight. 1. OBJECTIVES - page 4 The charity's objects are to provide a centre where the community can gather for worship, celebrate various festivals according to the Sikh culture and provide facilities for weddings, teaching Panjabi and music. There have been no changes in the charities objects or policies during the year. - Now, the terminology seems to be vague, perhaps purposefully so, but it does not hide the fact that it intends to celebrate according to the Sikh culture. Linked to this is the mention of facilities for weddings. Now if they've used the term "Sikh culture", NOT, "punjabi culture", this implies they need to abide by basic Sikh Rehat. Its not really that complicated - that is in their own words! 2. FUNDRAISING - page 4 Here is perhaps the main point of the beadbi gurdwarays arguments - that we need the money. Lets take a look at RST's own words, "The main fund raising activities remain the voluntary donations from members, the donations from religious functions and gatherings. During the year money raised from the congregation was pu- towards purchasing equipment for use in the Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham." The main fund raising is NOT from the hall, but from sangat donations - Religious ones at that - not parties!! The committee/trustees also felt they had enough left over to kindly donate money to a worthy cause. Those struggling financially unfortunately dont have the means to do that... 3. FINANCIAL STATEMENT income from rental of hall - £39 000 (approx) income from sangat - £135 000 (approx) - thats almost £100k more from using the gurdwara as a religious place! temple and building (ie hall) running costs - £59 000. No mention of the actual breakdown of cost here -- but lets be generous and estimate a third of the cost is spent on the call - around £19 000 -£ 20 000. so, basically, this - 'financial goldmine' that the gurdwaray cant do without - how much did it make, net during the year? A measly £19 000 for the gurdwara! That's how much one's jeevan is worth these days then...£19 000. RST's own facts and figures - not anything from me, Satkaar, R4G or anybody else - they are basically stringing themselves up with their own words. RST Accounts.pdf

I've been calling as have a few other singhs i know and i couldnt get thru to the secretary number that was up, but i got to speak with the president a couple of times. he seemed a bit ambushed first of all and confused, said that there was no hall, but then backtracked and said that what he meant to say was that the hall was no longer going to be open. Seems like a nice old guy who genuinely wanted the punga over with. See what happens, but i hear that the committee have signed an agreement thats gonna get sent today confirming that the halls closed for BeadBi!! Good work everyone, UK Sangat, Satkaar people, Edinburgh sangat and edinburgh committee! Satkaar - can we get the offfical letter up on here please?

Just found out that the Pardhaan Gurcharan Singh has confirmed on the telephone that this type of activity does happen, and also that he's given a guarantee that it will be closed down and put a stop to as quickly as possible. The Committee have been sent a form to sign accepting their obligation to abide by the akal takht huukamnama and sandesh. The deadline runs out on Tuesday so hopefully they will realise the gravity of their situation now.

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This camp is not affiliated or linked to the Ludhiana Sikh Missionary College. The original founders who wished to do Parchaar and make Gurmat literature available to the Sangat used the name "missionary" in the sense of "parchaar". But perhaps the word's meaning has changed over time and needs to be looked at. In regards to the camp itself, some of the same uncles and youngsters who are involved in the Sikh Student Camp which has now rebranded as 'Sikh Summer Retreat' after all the embarrassment they caused themselves are involved in the Sikh Missionary Society camp. Perhaps this is a reflection of their stand on Gurmat. The current Sikh Missionary Camp is described by people who have been there as "a Punjabi Camp" where little or no emphasis on the importance of of Rehit, Amrit-vela, or Gurbani vichaar. The uncles are totally disconnected from reality and don't want to let go of their positions despite outgrowing the sewa. It would be nice if the camp moved on with the times and the uncles embraced Gursikhs who could do sewa at the camp and the sangat could benefit but they totally detest anyone affiliated or associated with DamDami Taksal and I know people have been asked on the phone whether they follow or support DamDami Taksal before being allowed to go to the camp to do sewa. Similarly, they don't like anyone associated with Akhand Kirtani Jatha or anyone who observes Bana and dietary Rehit to be part of the camp and to do any type of sewa because following "strict" Rehit may "confuse" or "mislead" campers. It sometimes feels like they are more happy for KFC eating "loose" Amritdharis to come and sewa at camp rather than Gursikhs who take Sikhi seriously and are "living" Sikhi.

Hi was wondering if anyone could be specific about the september monthly programme in cross roads was thinkning about attending but the site seems to be in construction just now

here's one that everyone dreads... it was new years eve and darbar sahib is PACKED out. I took ages getting ready for gurdwara that day, BIG dumalla, and new shastar in it i got from india. anyways, so im sitting there, then its time for ardas, we all stand up and im feeling really inspired, and when the granthis like " bolo ji.." im like "VAHEGUROO!!!! At the end of ardas, i go to matha tekh, and i forgot how crammed we are, and as i raise my head, i forgot i had a teer head in my damalla, and i rise my head really swiftly...right into this poor old guys rear end! VAHEGUROO!! poor guy lets out a little squeak/squeal and everyone turned around to see me headbutting and impaling this dudes bottom!!

there is also a more subtle and dangerous side to these lies however... The person above him may or may not have alot of knowledge in sikh, and it would be a great shame if someone who seems to know fundamental right from wrong be brainwashed as he has said, "i dont know what mahapursh do" obviously he is showing great respect for Baba Santa singh ji, as he wouldnt want to question them. But the point is, nangs exploit this piyaar and respect between sikhs to promote their own alcohol-fuelled delusions and fantasies. I have been at people's houses when they come out with statements from the blue, trying to justify their actions by saying "oh dont worry if we do (insert kurehit here), (insert prominent gursikh's name here) Singh used to do it ... having wasted a large part of my life with these gutter dwellers, i know just how much you stand to lose when you align with them no he is not your right, but he is the owner and creator of the shastar vidiya facebook group. He is a known associate of niddar

thank you valli, the slandering of such a gursikh is just shocking. I dont think they can go any lower than flat out lies like this now.. surely its come to a point where enough is enough? we 've not really engaged them before properly, all of us have kind of turned a blind eye and just sort of hoped that the whole nang thing would go away... its not going to happen unless we all get together to do something

in case you dont speak nang-ish, let me translate Nang, "About Nihangs drinking Alcohol it is ok for medicinal purposes. not for oo uj din kushiyaa da ik peg lah lo (ie not for just everyday). I MYSELF HAVE SEEN AKALI BABA JATHEDAR SANTA SINGH JI DRINKING ALCOHOL (for health reasons?!)

Vaheguroo ji ka khalsa, vaheguroo ji ki fateh I am almost lost for words as to how low Nang Niddar and his henchmen are stooping...I CANNOT believe the ends these fakes will go to , distorting the truth, and creating lies about people, in order to justify their vile actions This is a big shock, and all singhs who hold affiliation of some sort with Budda Dal will be obviously very hurt and angered by this... It is a quote on facebook , from Niddars Shastar Vidiya Group which has been sent to me, and the quote is by his right hand nang, "Nihang Tej Singh" i am attaching a screenshot to the post of it Its time these nangs who hate all real gursikhs, be it from Buddha Dal, Tarna Dal, Harianvele, Biddhi Chand Dal, Guru Nanak Dal, Damdami Taksaal, AKJ, and a whole host of other panthic jathebandis who they spout their venom at, its time they all unite and run these snakes out of the panth,

it does alot - it shows that he doesnt believe any of the junk he brainwashes impressionable youth with. He's nothing but an over inflated ego , who loves the controversy that he creates - hes really a sad man who wants to be centre of attention. Ive spent time with him, ive learnt from him, I know first hand

one thing i was thinking about, and i forgot to say was that the Nihung Dals all deserve alot of credit for their actions. They can get a rough time of it at times, due to these shameless nangs and i think they really showed the difference between NANG and NIHUNG

Thank you Akhand Sabha for your technical wizardry!

Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh Nang Niddar Singh was shamed into admitting that his self proclaimed revelatory book was full of half truths , and his own bias rather than being an informed piece See the great warrior meekly accept his fate here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2xvqfhkWEy4 before the nangs bother saying "why dont you meet him and challenge him etc" please realise that some of us do not wish to get involved in petty arguements with individuals who will bring us no progression in our journeys to Maharaj

cant wait - should be amazing the singhz r chardikalla. Will definitely be travelling up there!!

Fateh Ji! Daas i s looking to find out whether and comparative studies/ reports have taken place regarding the Dastaar and the Helmet? It is something that interests daas, and if feasible, daas would be willing to fund such a study if none have been carried out so far - something that could prove invaluable to the never ending Dastaar/Motorbike cases that seem to spring up...

you guys are an embarrassment to yourselves with your immature posting. Daas agrees with Rupinder Singh and Akal_Sehna, yet they put their legitimate concerns across without disrespecting your opinions... Why do you have to resort to actually painfully unfunny comments and ludicrously bad dialogue to make yourselves be heard? This is not primary school where the loudest person gets heard - its a Sikhi forum where everyone has the right to an opinion.... Sorry to go on and on, but cant you respect your brothers and sisters? Oh and can daas just say - one thing thats REALLY quite irksome is the extended use on this forum of the sarcastic "its manmat " blah blah blah, and then make fun of certain aspects. Please, just don't. It was maybe, possibly witty and semi funny the first time - hey even the tenth time, but come on...its simply painful to read what you guys trash good posts with!

Fateh to cyber sangat! I just want to first of all state that is by NO means daas' opinion, nor does daas condone this, however daas would like to ask some tough questions and put forward some purposefully contentious points for debate. This is Part 1 Females of the Panth Daas believes that the bibiaan in the panth are perhaps the greatest problem that we sikhs face in modern days... there are a few reasons. 1) It is 9 times out of 10 the bibian who are lured into converting by the same old methods - when are they going to wake up and realise the truth?! Why do they feel some sort of special attachment to persons of another religion 2)Daas has heard so many excuses over the years - "i cant stand being in public with hairy legs/ facial hair etc" so i wont go for amrit - this is the very basic one - there are a thousand variations on this, but the basic 'logic' is always the same ...i'm too image concious to follow the path of my guru : Daas challenges this wallowing in self pity as manmat - the poor little me sob story simply doesnt wash - daas thinks back to the time when Singhniaan didnt self pity when their children were shot through the skull while they were protesting, their insides splattered all over the Guru kay singhnees clothes, yet they simply did an ardas thanking Maharaj!! WaheGuru!!!! (this was less than 90 years ago) 3)Daas has also heard the thing about singhs not wanting to marry singhniaan with facial hair - daas would say rather than get bitter , ask yourself - who actually lost out? If a bibi has this incident happen - would they rather the so called singh (whose a jackal in the roop of a lion) go along with them, marry them and then quite possibly vent their dislike throughout the marriage?? See it oh bhenay as Maharaj doing MAJOR kirpa on you , saving you from so much future dukh!! 4)The issue of "Punj Piyaareeaan" - daas would suggest that rather than spending priceless breaths that are on loan to us arguing over these pointless issues, increase your jeevan and make yourself a role model to the more impressionable youth coming through - very many of the youth get little inspiration from Bazoorg or even Saakhiaan - even GurBanee unfortunately doesnt inspire the youth - they are directly inspired by the jeevan's of their peers - who in the bibiaan can legitimately held up to give a good example of how to live a gursikhi life Singhs - Manvir Singh - Sukha Singh etc etc... Anyways thats all for now...! PART 2 to come - Men or Mice?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ke fateh Siki camp was amaazing, a big well done to the organisers that made it happen. Ill try to keep this short and sweet as much as possible!! In our group (9) i think it was we had "kaurageous" members, well when it came to the high ropes we found out just how courageous they were, Gurrry! aka Rocky. THe one and only Penji/Paji if that makes sense aka the kung fu master. This nutter thinks that walking along a tree 80 odd feet in the air isnt difficult enough so he jumps, walks backwards and does a karate kick in mid air!!! As i said short and sweet Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ke fateh