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Before joining any group in the UK or any free website or media group be very aware that in the future laws are being changed so if you have posted a viewpoint on a channel even like facebook your details are there for the world to see today we are using our voice but tommorow if the goverment decides to tar us with a brush like the muslims you may lose your jobs and positions of power. So if your offered on boards for free blogs and websites and groups you do not know at all be very wary If you are going to speak out against GOI and in favoiur of Khalistan be very aware there are many many individuals in groups like leicester and birmingham where extremist hindus gather in shakhas and discuss these things. I am aware of two prominent hindu brothers who operate from leicester and all they have done for the past 10 years is convince Sikhs to cut their hair by using hindu girls as decoys exactly in the same manner as muslims have in the past. One of the brothers has ended up with a life threatning STD which I will not discuss on this board but Karma has caught up with him So if you are a supporter of the movement be very carful of these wolves in sheeps clothing especially in Birmingham and leicester

I suggest before anybody signs up for these kinds of sites BE VERY CAREFUL especially as sikhs who support an alternative viewpoint what happens is if you advertise a viewpoint thats against any kind of established power your IP address and personal details become available to the world. Always sign up with the bigger more established firms such as wordpress and blogger directly NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE Even with Naam you must sacrifice time for our gurus. If you do create a websiteif the person hosting is taken down so is all of your work. I am walways suspicious of people who set up operations like C Sikh for student unions what this enables them to do is collect data on LARGE NUMBERS OF ANTI ESTABLISHMENT SIKHS also your university and student union will be affected so if your in a position of power in the future laws can be enacyed to remove you from your job using past internet exploits.

Everywhere I look and hear people are trying to convince me that Shiva did this and mohammed did that how do you know I ask them it happened thousands of years ago and since those thousands of years have passed the stories myths and propaganda have gathered peoples own opinions about the religions. Look at sikhi and tell them that We still have our original scriptures that are hand written We still have our original temples We still have original artifacts untarnished We still have our original shabads We still have our original weaponry We can go to our original temples without preachers trying to give us their viewpoints as everything is in the gurbani All of our answers are with us in our homes in their original form I think that should quieten them down a bit

Business lady I suggest you get to a gurdwara or an event where there is a talk they should be able to answer your questions

Why start attacking him straight away FIRST GET EVIDENCE OF THIS People who sing about sikhi at least raise awareness amongst the very very media music influenced youth of punjab. We must remeber that in the days of the guru music was a tool to raise political movements and spread messages so they wouldnt be lost If Babbu Mann get at least one lost Sikh to be proud it starts a chain of events that help us bring that Sikh back into the fold. If we attck him without evidence however we are losing the biggest tool we have to save a generation of youth because if we attack something they enjoy they will hate us and not the media thats brainwashing them As for him being Jatt if your Jatt , Darkhan anything its a part of your history unless you are ashamed of your past and that of your father why would you be offended if a Jatt says hes a Jatt or a muslim saying hes a muslim for that matter. The world has moved on we need to get unstuck from this gossip mongering set up to destroy singers careers Do you folk on this board think the gurus would have paid attention to a singer hes not high on the importance scale at the moment in Sikhism By attacking him we are making him more important than he is

One thing to make sure of is a holocaust denier banner as big as possible outside the venue this should get the attention of the newspapers also call all newspapers and highlight that we are speaking up against a genocide denier the website for the genocides details should be LARGE so people are made aware of our plight the media is our friend. Get the sikh channel on this to interview protestors and raise awareness in an impartial way.

Threats against people should be taken seriously how ever to blame a whole sikh temple reeks of something this gentleman is up to. If you look at the approach of the media it is obviously trying to misalign the sikh image (orthodox) What we have to accept is that a Dosanjh is a Sikh and by attacking him we areplaying into the powers that be hands so what we are required to do to fight an allegation such as this is start a Facebook page restricted of course from the gurdwara in question and let it be known that us Sikhs abhore violence and the views of one individual do not mean we all feel this way that is like saying all canadians support hitler because they are white. So mods in order to repair the sikh image and acknowledge that dosanjh is a fellow sikh and we do not support violence group on facebook should quell this negative propoganda against the gurdwaras and put the sanctity of our religion and its image in Canada back where it should be. There are some very very cunning people working in the background and they want any evidence of a genocide against the sikhs covered up so be on the lookout.

I agree with both of your points thats why as soon as any unforseen objectives are uncovered in any channel we must highlight it this is our duty as panthic people Another point I would like to reiterate THIS APPLIES TO THE SIKH CHANNEL as well they should not see ekta one as a license to control the panth in the UK Every Sikh in the UK has their own voice yes come together in peace and make community decisions BUT IF ANY CHANNEL OR BODY THINKS THEY HAVE A SAY IN ALL PANTHIC AFFAIRS OR THEY ARE THE SOLE VOICE OF THE PANTH they are mistaken That is why precisely Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Panj Piaras so whether they be in Scotland the Sikh Channel studio or In Portugal they have the say IF ANY CHANNEL THINKS THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTROL ALL OF THE SIKHS ACROSS EUROPE DUE TO ONE CHANNEL THEY ARE MISTAKEN YOU CANNOT CONTROL SIKHISM AS A RELIGION OR ANY PANTH WE FOUGHT FOR THESE FREEDOMS FOR OVER 300 YEARS AND WE WONT HAND THEM OVER TO SOMEONE WHO OWNS A TV CHANNEL There are many undercover Singh's who will not allow this to happen SO THINK TWICE BEFORE TRYING TO MAKE A MOCKERY OF THE ESTABLISHED JATHAS IN EUROPE YOU WILL BE HELD TO ACCOUNT EKTA ONE OR NOT WJKK WJKF

Eat proper real foods you shouldnt need energy if your feeling tired all of the time and are sleeping properly you might want to get a check up as stimulants often hide underlying health problems such as insulin resistance which could set you up for bad health.

Happy Vaisakhi to all of the Panth that read this just a warning for everyone weaving a web and those that have tried to split the panth or control it in any way WE ARE WATCHING WJKKWJKF

Just a quick comment where I have been defending the Sikh channel I have just noticed on their daily hukamnama which is broadcast delhi that thanks to Sarna etc in the ending credits and one more question I have is the hukamnama from delhi the same as the one from harmandir sahib or are they doing their own now they DGPC

This MP from Bihar has said they say sikhs cant rule but they have transformed the country they should be given rule

May I add Raj was also a member of Radio Sabras a face of brahminism ie RSS in the UK all from the home of right wing hindus in europe in leicester. So from being a member of a right wing hindu radio station to a head of anti sikh zeeradio another brahmin station this person seems to be releasing all of the press releases for the sikh channel WHy Raj of all people he is the owner of a business website What does a panthic channel have to do with a right wing ideology supporter who worked for a bigotted radio station HMMMMMMM very strange?

If you Sikhs look at the source of media press release it is a person by the name of Raj Bhaddan The same Raj Bhaddan that ran Zee radio The same Zee TV that said we want less Singhs profiles on the channel How is it Raj Bhaddan is privvy to such information and so FAST Join the dots Sangat readers the truth is in your face Learn to recognise it WJKKWJKF

It looks like the Sikh Channel has the GOI rattled they are moving .................FAST I have a message for them ITS TOO LATE What they were afraid of has already started The goal is clear the vision is complete and the movement has momentum WJKKWJKF

Peenji the people in prison are Jaaping naam from the past 20 odd years so why worry. The case has come to light online and people are aware of their cause there are many panthic people looking into this including Mr Badal and family also the SGPC has been fighting for their case for years. People often come onto this site worrying about everybody. What you should be doing is erasing the fear and doubt you all have of sikhs running their own affairs and take some ACTION if each sikh on this board gathers support of at least 10 gursikhs each we will have a very strong movement towards our goals of the release of these prisoners. If people like H Bhangal care so much about the panth and they are lawyers where is their Kamai why cant they help support the cause of our Sikh brethren in jail or DONT THEY CARE ENOUGH WJKKWJKF

A response to peoples comments are the Sikh channel is the first Sikh media outlet to discuss Sikh rights who cares if you give money to Sikhs Sikhs have given millions in seva to gurdwaras and you are criticising the very institutions that people need to drive our religion forward. What about the singhs and families who have put in thousands of hours to start these gurdwaras and done seva for over 30 years of being in this country. If you cannot even keep the 5 k's of sikhi you cannot really comment on the running of a gurdwara. As for letting in youth from India first they have to earn their kamai and when these young men from India stop going to gurdwaras and eyeing up our sisters on a Sunday and do seva for a few years and make a name in the community why should we give them power over an institution of truth. First of all anybody who wants to run a gurdwara has to EARN their kamai in the eyes of the community HAVING MONEY IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH YOU CANNOT BRIBE A TRUE GURSIKH THATS WHY THE MACHINE IS NOW RATTLING IN THEIR BOOTS WJKKWJKF

There are blatant attempts to knock this thread down perhaps there are posts here that ring true and could realy hurt CongRSS

It is because we haver to also join the enemy to enable us to penetrate their vert psyche you must nderstand a Sikh will always greet his enemy. Think about it Sarna is a delhi resident where many Sikhs were killed in my opinion if he has partaken in gurdwara sat sangat and has listened to bani there will be somewhere in his heart of hearts he feels the pain of all sikhs like Ghandis bodyguards he may turn someday and do something for the panth.

These people are very afraid of seperate Sikh monitoring what we need to ask ourselves is who is behind this reluctance of enabling SIkhs to be disidentified from the hindu kaum. They are S******* themselves. What wee need to do is take action NOW and also try and put together an accurate figure we can give to large scale media newspapers about this argument I suggest the guardian independant and other news papers to start with. If labour dont agree with seperate montoring I think its time to deal with a party who will. So get onto the other political parties NOW before the general election and get some articles in papers about the Sikh cause I am sure we will get political parties clambering for our vote they cant afford to lose a few hundred thousand votes.

Can we also have a forum sticky with reccommended Sikh sites as I have difficulty sorting the good sites from the anti sikh sites as the CongRSS is putting up loads of fake Baba/Sikh sites

Brilliant post Raden Paaji I think we have ssome real work to do on this topic everywhere you look the moghul wars are mentioned what we need to do is dig up some information on hindu and sikh wars and old hindu figures who stabbed sikhs in the back that will prove once and for all that we are not hindus. This is what RSS does not want it is their achilies heel believe me if we dig up enough history with proof their argument for sikhs being hindus will be anihialated. WJKK WJKF

Veer JI we as Sikhs need to understand our enemies enemy is our friend the Chinese do have a spiritual side and religion is growing strong there although they have a very big mistrust of Hindu India.

Sikhs are not destroying their own religion why does all of the sangat have such a pessimistic view from a few hundred Sikhs we are now 25 million strong we have gurdwaras in almost every country we have punjabi schools in almost every country in the world. Are people blind or do they not see this is a religion that CANNOT be destroyed by being so pessimistic all you are focusing on is what the hindus want you to focus on. The Sikh religion is a religion of love so love grows exponentially whereas hate breeds more hate and eventually destroys itself. So before you comment on Sikhism being destroyed remeber these sikhs that do take advantage are doing so in gurdwaras and as I have said before on various threads look everywhere against perpetrators of violence of sikhs they are nowhere to be seen and most of them are either mental or highly anxious and diseased with the guilt of their past actions. Look at the moghuls from history who tried to destroy the sikhs visit their old palaces not even dogs urinate there. Then look at our gurdwaras in India and the UK they are fulled to the brim with devotees whether they argue is another matter. So before you make damaging comments on sikhism going anywhere the seed has been sown it is the only way to peace for the whole world and it will become the worlds most dominant religion no matter how many enemies appear. Have faith why are you disheartened when we are 25 million strong so what if 10 or 20 are against us we are guru gobind singh jis children and most of all we are now aware dont be scared or fearful that is not the way of a sikh. WJKKWJKF

The Sikh media platform should also set a clear distinction between politics and their platform and allow all Sikhs to express their views. How ever like the BBC they should ban extremist parties from airing their views ie extremists who support congRSS As you will have seen in the past the BBC has not given the national front much of a platform so why should sikh media channels give a platform to extremist hindu genocide deniers