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  1. chatanga
    Fair enough, if they gave their own car with the knowledge it was going to be used for some crime. Who really did deserve sant Jarnail Singh position? Did Baba Tahkur Singh want this position? I don't think that there was anyone who could have filled this position at all. I have met a lot of people who are staunchly against Baba Harnam Singh and they say pretty much the same thing, but have no answers when I ask who could have filled Sant Ji's position? There was a reason for this at the time. It's not accurate at all to claim they are pro-badal. Pro Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma yes.
  2. chatanga
    I would think this is more accurate. Baba Ji's followers there could not tolerate Sant Ranjit Singh's criticism.
  3. chatanga
    If Baba Harnam Singh ordered this attack personally then he should step aside and face the consequences. But from what i've seen of his personality I don't think that he would be the kind of guy of would do this.
  4. chatanga
    Let's not get ahead of ourselves. there is nothing to suggest at the moment he had any part in it.
  5. chatanga
    I agree but whether Baba Harnam Singh was instrumental in it, we will have to wiat and see.
  6. chatanga
    Speak for yourself. You don't know every sensible person. Many Taksalis believed Baba Thakur Singh when he said Sant Jarnail Singh was still alive. Where is Sant Jarnail Singh after 30 years? Anyone can quote "many taksalis". Try something new. If you don't like Baba Harnam Singh, don't, but at least don't degrade your own avastha by making up lies/repeating lies/reposting lies.
  7. chatanga
    Thanks but I was aware. The SS made a start though. If it happens in village gurdwaras then it's still wrong. But if it happens in a place where there are 4 doors for everyone and anyone to come, then it was definitely a good thing the SS did there. Wikipedia as reference is extremely weak. I am still unconvinced that the statement made by the OP is true, but I won't comment any further on this topic concerning Bhai Mani Singh until I do some further research and see if I can find anything. If you have any non-wiki sources then please share them.
  8. chatanga
    That is just so silly. I mean, really silly. This fraud calendar acheived what in the last 15 years compared to what the Bikrami achieved before that? If Bikrami was so unimportant to the Gurus, would they have written Gurbani according to Bikrami, or did Guru Sahib not have the power to start a new calendar themselves? Couldnt the Guru's make a calendar to align with themselves or Guru Garnth Sahib? Why did it take some cretin 550 odd years to realise that Sikhs were hindus until they had their own calendar? People today still say Sant Jarnail Singh was supported by Congress and their creation. So what?
  9. chatanga
    Bhai Maharaj Singh was not a frontline fighter. He manouvred to get the Sikhs to rebel against the british criminals and provided logistical support. There is no instance of Bhai Mani Singh goiing to Sri Darbar Sahib in any period before Guru Sahib's passing. Logicaly after 1699, and some years before, the Sikhs were involved in wars, and preparations for war. Would Guru Sahib have sent Bhai Mani Singh there in these kinds of pressing conditions? We know that in 1704 Bhai Mani Singh escorted 2 Mahals to Delhi and then made his way to Damdama Sahib in 1706. Sri Darbar Sahib was only vacated by the meenas in the time of Baba Banda Bahudur, when they fled seeing his army. I think somewhere along the line the OP has got confused over the date of the Saroop being 1698 and Bhai Mani Singhs taking charge at Sri Darbar Sahib.
  10. chatanga
    True, but why should the Nihangs have ignored the henious actions of the mahants in not allowing the low-castes in? It was going on for years. There is no excuse. This is where the Nihangs laid the seed for their own removal from Sri Akal Takht Sahib. Yes it does, and not it doesn't. If there is something wrong in any Gurdwara, it is the duty of a Sikh to correct that wrong. The Nihangs were ignoring it, so someone had to step up. The Singh Sabha were very wrong to alter/shorten the banis.
  11. chatanga
    People listen to them, because the people need to feel vindicated in their own weaknesses. These mnissionary athiests say that naam japna, keeping kes etc are not necessary in Gurmat, so people follow them and feel better about themselves.
  12. chatanga
    Bump.
  13. chatanga
    I will definitely get that book. Thanks. They may have been different saroops then. There are many saroops at Patna sahib. Will look into this more. Personally I do not think there is any truth in Bhai Mani Singh doing parkash of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib at Sri Akal Takht Sahib in 1698.
  14. chatanga
    Ok, so you don't know. Narainu offered to hand the keys only over to the Nihangs at Sri Akal Bunga. But Baba Kharak Singh would not accept that. Then narianu was forced to hand the keys over to the Baba.
  15. chatanga
    The Bir from Sri Akal Takht which matches the Patna Sahib bir both have the dates of Bikrami 1765 which would be around 1710 Ad. A good question. the earliest recensions of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth were sent to Patna Sahib and after Guru Sahib and the SIkhs left Panjab the Holy Granths went to Sri Hazur Sahib/Dakhan as well. There is a saroop of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth that belonged to Bhai Daya Singh at Aurangabad today.
  16. chatanga
    Bhai Mani Singh did not go to Sri Akal Takht until around 1714-1716. In 1698 Sri Darbar Sahib was in firm control of the meene. Would it be logical to accept that the meene would have accepted Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth, when they were adamant to keep the Sikhs and their Guru out of Sri Darbar Sahib?
  17. chatanga
    Some people tend to have a very romanticized view of the Nihangs in this era. During this time, the low-castes were not allowed to enter Sri Darbar Sahib. they had to do namaskar from the pauria and then go back. Why were the Nihangs as custodians allowing this to happen? Then when the SS tried to help the low-castes go into Sri Darbar Sahib they all were beaten up. Where were the Nihangs at this time? The SIngh Sabha, rightly took a very dim view of this and when the time came, they took over Sri Darbar Sahib complex and allowed the low-castes to have the same rights all other sikhs. The conduct of the Nihangs here was totally outside the remit of Gurmat. They laid the seeds for their own downfall here, and look at what repercussions it is having on the panth now. No it's not. The first things the british criminal gang did was to nullify the sikhs capacity for war. As a result of this every Sikh had to give up their weapons, being allowed only a 6 inch kirpan. So those who didn't want to give up their weapons left Panjab to seek sanctuary at Sri Hazur Sahib. I wouldn't even say that the british criminals even knew about the dual role of the chalda vaheer. And this brahmans and mahants phobia you have? You need to work on that. Who did narainu mahant insist on giving the keys of Sri Nankana Sahib to? Bhai Maharaj Singh was not a Nihang. He was if anything a Nirmala.
  18. chatanga
    Fatty has not been arrested ,and there is news going round that the boys hair was cut in the police station after. The boy is now said to be in hospital.
  19. chatanga
    No Ji. it was the urban Khatris/Banias who were taking the land from Sikhs and Muslim farmers. The Land Alienation Act sought to prevent this by only allowing Jats, Arains, and Rajputs to own land. The english did this because the land that was being farmed and then taken over by the Khatris/Banias was lying idle and therefore not earning any income for the govt.
  20. chatanga
    According to "Sri Gur Mehma Parkash" written by Sarup Das Bhalla in 1776, Guru Sahib wrote Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth in Brij translating it from Sanskrit. The aim of this granth and stories contained in this text were from old sanskrit texts. If you read texts like the HIndu Granths or the semitic books, you will see that this subject in religious texts is not at all unusual. As for Darshan Singh, he was/is a kirtani. His forte was kirtan, not katha or intellectual knowledge of Gurbani. Today he is acting like he knows everything about Gurbani, when he doesn't. His schooling was in kirtan only. Being Jathedar of a Takht doesn't mean that he has knowledge of everything in Sikhi.
  21. chatanga
    I was hoping that Jagraj Singh wiould have said something about Nankana Sahib being in Pakistan as a lasting legacy of the British criminal rule in India. Are you talking about Jats?
  22. chatanga
    Mr Q, why was the East India Company set up in the first place? I will tell you. To circumvent the high taxes imposed by the Dutch on spices, jute perfumes and tea, the EIC went to India, specifically Bengal where they traded as equals, but as soon as they took over, they took these commodities and taxed the local people to pay the Company's salaries. So they were killing two birds with one stone. They had the natives paying for Company, whilst the Company had the natives producing spices, jute, perfumes and tea for consumption back in England at a great profit. Bengal is also a high producer of jute. I don't know what this is, but it was one of the main contentions between Pakistan and East Pakistan(Bangladesh) as the Pakistanis were taking all the profit for this coimmodity and using it for themselves in Pakistan, and giving very little to the Bengalis. In African colonies the lure was oil but moreso diamonds.
  23. chatanga
    Only one part of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth deals with kaam, and it's not sexually explicit if it is narrated in the correct context. The subtle lesson is masked by a layer of language that is not intended to excite anybody's passions but to see whether the reader can deduce what the story is trying to actually tell. It is the same test as when Guru Nanak Dev Ji tested the Sikhs for gurgaddi. Guru Sahib asked the Sikhs to follow him, but on the way the Sikhs became enticed by the gold and wealth that they passed and they missed the actual lesson, to follow their Guru. People who claim that Sri CharitroPakhyan is sexually explicit are only revealing their own spiritual status. If there are similiar words used in Guru Granth Sahib - Dhur ki Bani, why cannot they be use in Guru Sahib's writings, in a correct context? This is one line so often repeated but if we truly put this to the test then we would find Sikhi and Sikhs to be very different to what we beleive. No-one is denying authority. If you tell your mother you love her, does that mean you love your father any less? Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth is in complete accordance with Guru Granth Sahib. By accepting and reading Dasam Bani, we do not lose any love for Aad Bani. This is just hysteria put about by missionary athiests that if you believe in Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib, you are trying to replace Guru Granth Sahib with it. Pakandi Baba, what do you personally feel about Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib?
  24. chatanga
    One fo the reasons IMHO why the Sikhs entered the service of the British was that they had become too accustomed to the fine living a military career provided. Good money, good food, and (regrettably by most accounts) good wine and a good standard of living, and some of the army elite having large estates as well. In the previous century the Dal Khalsa were living in jungles for the large part of a century, but after 50 years of living as rulers, I don't think the Lahore Army had the mental or physical endurance to contemplate being rebels in jungle hideouts. The soldiers of the Lahore Army in 1849 would never have experienced the "jungle rebel life" unless they were pushing on 80 or 90 years old. Add these two together and it seems that the Lahore Army soldiers were not able to envisage themselves on a war footing as the Dal Khalsa did. So they went for self-preservation, trying to rescue as much of their previous standards of living as they could under Panjab's new rulers. When the Sikh army surrendered, they still had the forces and military strength to fight the British invaders/criminal army, but some reason they lost heart and gave up. They had the numbers and weapons but must have felt the fight was futile. These soldiers still had A desire to fight as they enlisted where and whenever they could under the British, just not with the British. Maybe it was a case of being with the winning side?
  25. chatanga
    Let's keep it in the box, if your last venture on here was anything to go by.
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