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  1. chatanga

    Bhai Gurbaksh Singh RIP

    Bro, I dont view most of these Kharkhus, alive or dead as sellouts. They gave immense sacrifices for the Panths wellbeing, and gave their lives, livelihoods, had their families and relatives beaten, raped and/or killed, had their properties destroyed and spent decades in jail. Sure, the Kharkhus made mistakes, but they were there to make them, I wasn't and I bet that genie wasn't either. The most we could ever do was give money and some time, an hour here or there on a Sunday to visit any programes at Gurdwaras in support. The people who sold out were those like Santokh Kala, HArminder Gill etc. Dr Sohan Singh gave up a very luxurious life to head the movement. I don't think he was a traitor for one minute. Where the moevement went wrong was the 1992 elections, and that was down to one man Daljit Singh Bittu who forced the boycott at the point of a gun. Dr Sohan Singh and the others wanted to contest the elections. The main other point where they went wrong IMHO was the heinous murder of Shaheed Bhai Harminder Singh Sandhu. The guy was genius through and through but Bittu and Panthic Committee killed him in his own house. First time I've heard this. I am pro anyone who fought for and made sacrifices for Khalistan and the well-being of the Panth. There was no smoke with Chauhan out of the ordinary. Only jealous people said he was an agent, but jealous people made the same allegation against Sant Jarnail Singh. Sohan Singh wasn't a sellout. He realised that the movement had ended from 2 points. One the disaster of the election boycott in 92. Two, the indian state proved too strong in terms of tactics and manpower/resources/brutality. Zafferwal was also abandoned by the ISI after he refused to order his men to target HIndus under the ISI wishes. They stopped giving him arms, put him under house arrest and even Zaffarwal himself requested to be sent back to India than die in Pakistan. The ISI sent him to Switzerland even though he had to pay for it himself. Zaffarwal recognised that the ISI/Pakistan were using the Sikh movement to score against India. Perhaps they thought hey could emulate their success in Afghanistan. The only thing with Zaffarwal is that he gave up the cause actively after his return to India, although I believe in his heart he still harbours support and dedication for the movement. But his return to India lost him a lot of support (and respect by many) and now he is just content to practice his homeopathy. One thing I would advise you both to do, is look for books by Baljit Singh. He was in the AISSF and wrote many books in Panjabi on the movement. You can get them from Amritsar.
  2. chatanga

    Bhai Gurbaksh Singh RIP

    How did returning to Panjab make Chauhan a sellout? If he went there and said "I have given up the fight for Khalistan" then you would be right, but even in India where he was at risk, he never till the day he died gave up the fight for Khalistan. While he was in India he did exhort the message of Khalistan. The Indian govt treid to put cases on him but he wasn't phased. The indians never wanted Chauhan to come back to india but he had a UN passport as the indians revoked his indian passport a long time ago. They refused his entry for many years before he took up his case with the UN and won. People like genie, I dont know who's been feeding them <banned word filter activated> but well done for asking for info rather than just running off at the backside. genie could definitely learn something from you prokharku. Baba Harnam Singh made himself a target when he supported badal but I would welcome such an alliance for a hundred lifetimes if it kept the likes of dhunda panthpreet and the other missionary scum out of as many gurdwaras as possible.
  3. chatanga

    Bhai Gurbaksh Singh RIP

    Yes. You need to sort yourself out. You don't talk like you have any idea of their sacrifice yet you are bad mouthing them and issuing personal slurs. Dr Chauhan has always stood up for Khalistan even when 1% of the Sikhs would not support, yet when it came to became a huge issue for Sikhs (post 84) you think he became an agent? And here you go again showing how ignorant you are. Since when was head of taksal ever elected. He was selected but how would you know? Try doing a little more research but you sit down to type. The same singhs from southall who had a war fund of some £50,000 that went missing ?
  4. Harinders forte is in politics and he is good at that. But when it comes to historically religious praxis, he is completey on the missionary line. PDL is a gem concerning literature and learning in the Sikh world today, as it houses so many texts that are unavaialable to the common Sikh today. For that I have to give him credit, but his misinformation on Dasam Granth and rehatnamas show him to be completely untrustworthy. That was just a movement to get himslef in the news more than anything. The controversies he joined was in denying Dasam Grnth its correct place in the Panth and also changing dohra etc. He used to take SGGS in a wheelie-carry case around with him. Him and his crew do not believe in Sukhasan , chaur, etc of SGGS. The actual dohra is the one he reads, from Bhai Prehlad Singh's rehitnama. But the Panth hasn't read it that way for nigh-on 70 years now, so there was no need to force the issue controversially. Harinder like many missionaries want to make a name for himself in Sikh history as some kind of reformer.
  5. chatanga

    Bhai Gurbaksh Singh RIP

    If you think that Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma and Jagjit Singh Chauhan were fake leaders you are mistaken. Baba Harnam Singh has done a lot and still does a lot of work for those Sikhs still in jail, and any other families that come to him for help. Chauhan has always been a leader of the Khalistan movement. Before the time your dad even got a twinkle in his eye. For you to badnouth these two esp Chauhan as a fake leader shows you have no clue what you are talkng about. You need to sort yourself out.
  6. You found your boyfriend in bed with another woman?
  7. chatanga

    Celebrating the birth of Jesus

    I dont know. when we were young we always wanted to have a tree. None of my siblings have become Christians yet.
  8. This upcoming program features Amritpal Singh, Nirmaljit Singh and Avtar Singh, who all thre hardcore missionaries. I dont know about Nirmal Singh, a kirtania, or Harinder Singh, whether he is in agreement with his guru dhadhriwala over Amrit vela, naam simran amongst other things. What is going with Hounslow Gurdwara that they woud allow 3 missionaries on their stage.?
  9. chatanga

    Celebrating the birth of Jesus

    No Sikh is celebrating Jesus' birth. Most just care about getting presents. Especially kids. Anyway who decided Jesus was white:
  10. How many non-Sikhs are there in Khalsa Orphanage? I would have thought that they would only really be Sikh kids there in the first place.
  11. So true and so horrible to read the reality. Billionaire Arabs and such, and then us. We don't have the wealth they do. Although some of these probelm are self-created, there should definitely be more material and financial aid for the poorer Sikhs. Some farmers have taken huge oans on land they cannot repay. Some fools take drugs, and become addicts. Those people who bring it on themselves, I don't tend to have much sympathy for, but those Sikhs who are living in shanty towns and can't educate their kids, or even feed them or clothe them properly, should definietly be helped. And those families affected by the loss of family members who gave their lives in the Khalistan movement should definitely be high up on the list.
  12. Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib is amazing. Only something so amazing could come from someone so amazing. Daasi. Daas is if you are male. Best bet is Singhbrothers in Amritsar, where I got mine from. IN the meantime go to gurmatveechar.com and listen to katha of ri Dasme Patshah's Granth. Of course you are. You don;'t need chandoa or chaur for senchia. Just a rel and hazuria.
  13. DTF don't sell them. No place I know of, sells the saroop. Are you talking about the senchia ? If you dont know about it, then what is the rush? Why go so fast after something you know little about? No-one has Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib parkash in their house. Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib is only parkash in Sri Guru Granth Sahibs hazoori, never separately. I dont think you are going to get blessings on your head, rather you are going to lose them. Think about what you are doing. You sound really naive (forgive me) for thinking about this when your post shows you clearly have no idea. Either buy the senchia and read them at your leisure or read on online at searchgurbani.com they have english trans on that site, its very good.
  14. At the moment I'm reading a book by Ian Talbot called "lahore in the times of the Raaj". In it he writes that a quarter of the Muslim residents of Lahore city are Kashmiris. Also just for your info, the 1941 census was not very accurate either as all three religions were suspected of giving skewed numbers wherever they could.
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