JUSTAJATT

No,>>> why be speculating and amusing yourself with gossip instead of doing some kamayeee for yourself?

it aint gonna triple.

It'll  quadruple, cuz you haven't counted the unaccounted illegals and the multi same name mohammed's in one house.

you must be daft. Either dob her in and tell the old bill OR give me her details and i'll go and knock some sense (thapphar) into her 

On 12/1/2017 at 1:54 AM, Guest carpenpost said:

Hey guys. I am going to say something which only a few people I know. So my friends family do alot of paath, they at least wake up and do Japji Sahib as a minimum. So one day I was at there house at they said that they are going to do paath and that if you want to listen you can come too. I said ok. They haven't eaten meat for like 2 years or alcohol for 2 years. So the day before there was a party and the "family" (not gonna tell who) drank alcohol and eat meat(only 1 person eat meat). So basically after finishing paath, they were just about to do ardas but the "mum' started to say things.

The things "she" said were very interesting, now that I think about it.

"She" said that "Why did you drink alcohol, you were told not to drink alcohol or bring it into your house, so why did you not listen"(Not sure what "she" meant here but I assume that saints/people with high kamiee told them not to cook or bring meat or alcohol into their house). Everyone else was saying what are you talking about. "She" then said that. "Shaheed Singha da haath taa dee ghar te upar a". While saying this water started to come into "her" eyes. The other people around including me started to panic on hearing this and said we are sorry for doing this and will not eat meat or drink. "She" then said "Eating does not do anything, drinking does" "She" said this multiple times. We said sorry and said get up but "she" said that say Waheguru. We said this for 10 times but then we said that we are going to do ardas if you don't get up its your fault. "She" then got up and we did the ardas. We asked "her" about it and she said that "she" didn't know what we were talking about, all that she remembers was that after finishing paath, I just saw you guys up starting ardas so I just got up. While saying these things "she" sounded sort of angry and a little bit insulted. Ever since that happened, I always think that there is someone watching us in my friends home and sometimes I see shadows but do not know who this is. 

Now that I think about it, does this mean that people which wake up at amrit vela and do paath then and do paath in the evening, shaheed singhs protect their house?

 

Thoughs on this?

On 12/1/2017 at 1:54 AM, Guest carpenpost said:

 

In short,....NO

The above is akin to the folks that have sacred burial shrines or "jagaahs" back home. Even the khandhey peendhay(eating/drinking) ones in this category, don't consume meat/liquor on Sundays. It's a little complicated, but it's because their ancestors became slaves to these spirits for the wishes of maya, money and birth of sons.  It has nothing to do with shaheed singhs.  It's spirits trapped in the middle world hoping for mukhti.  and they do this by forcing shrine worship in return.   There are quite a lot of these families in Birmingham area.

I have some cousins and whatnot that are trapped in this  and i never quite understood it until a friend of mine explained why and how these people are trapped.   

as far as i know  and after speaking to some gurmukhs, shaheed singhs only come down to fetch new shaheed banday and they go to the loks outside the dar of waheguru. Japji sahib tells you that they are singing the praises of wahguru there along with chitr gupt and devi devtes

23 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

your way of writing suggests your intelligence level ! 

Write in a way in which other people treat you seriously 

Yes, i'm sure you are a gentleman of the highest order

43 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

I remember a video went viral in 2010 or something in which an angry Dalit Buddhist/Sikh lady was seen giving angry speech in a funny punjabi accent, complaining about how Sikhism was hijacked by the same baahmanwaad that it aimed to eradicate. and how Sikhism was not really separate ideologically from Buddhism. She was perhaps a neo-buddhist and Ambedkar follower named Kamlesh Ahir.

Kamlesh Ahir's speech was mostly about woes of so-called low castes being denied active participation in indian religions. And how sikh gurus tried to revive Buddhas ideals of casteless society equal for all, but that Sikhism was failed by Sikhs themselves. I agree with her only partly!

In this video, the same lady (in funny frantic voice) is heard complaining about how Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar wanted to convert to sikhi along with his 5 million followers but was let down by Jatt-dominated Akalis who feared losing control of harmandar sahib. So as a result Ambedkar ji had to convert to Buddhism along with his followers and they also burnt manusmriti , a hindu text which is still celebrated by buddhists in india as "manusmriti dahan diwas". The lady also complained about how Sikhs don't want chamaars, Ravidasias , Valmiks and other downtrodden along with them , and as a consequent Sikhi is not really spread . 

(Khalsa college of mumbai of which I myself am an alumni is a really cool college founded by Babasaheb Ambedkar himself). So I will give her credit.

Anyways, coming to point , Is Sikhi really totally dominated by Jatts , esp when it comes to filling top clergical and administrative posts in SGPC gurudwaras ??

If so , its a really shame for our panth. We need to introspect deeply. We feel delighted at sight of white/black sikhs , then why we should feel hesitation to accept downtrodden low-castes of india who will benefit from sikhi the most.

 

You can hear her here (again I don't agree with her at times , and she sound really bullsshit sometimes, but she does make a point about casteism in sikhi) : 

 

he...he...he..

Are Jatts really a caste or a race???  >>>> you should see the other DNA thread and try clear up some huge misconceptions.

NO IF>>>NO BUT>>>SIRF JATT!!!!!!!!!     (Sunny Deol)

On 11/11/2017 at 5:25 PM, MrDoaba said:

After waiting ages to take a DNA test, I finally got around to it recently. The results were, for the most part, what I expected.

Here's my estimate:

Asia - 85.4%

• South Asian - 79.9%
• West Asian (Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Caucasus, Turkey) - 4.3%
• Central Asian (Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazahkstan) - 1.4%

Europe - 14.6%

North and West Europe

• Irish, Scottish, and Welsh - 11.6%
• Scandinavian - 3.0%

Even though these are only estimates, they give an idea of my ethnicity in a broad sense. Nonetheless 14.6% is still considered a fairly large proportion in an estimate, and in all honesty was completely unexpected. My knowledge on DNA and genealogy are probably basic at best but from what I've read such a large percentage of the European could be traced back as early as the 5th or 6th generation before me!

This estimate didn't really tell me much as I would have liked to know so I decided to use GEDmatch to get a more in-depth picture. The results were certainly interesting (Jagsaw Singh if you're still around I'm sure you'll be the most pleased). For the sake of the topic I'll mention that I'm Punjabi Jatt.

This is what I found out:

Baloch - 37.94% (The term Baloch is used here to loosely describe Persian origin)

South Indian - 29.43% (South Indian here refers to indigenous or native Indian)

NE-Euro - 11.70% (oddly the Baltic region)

Caucasian  - 11.30% (Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan - again part of the Greater Persian Empire)

SW-Asian - 2.28% (ambiguously referring to Persian, Caucasian, and Arabian)

Mediterranean - 2.25% (most likely Greek, Cypriot, Turkish)

The rest is negligible.

You are also given an approximation how closely you are linked and compare to the individual populations of the sampling done by the genealogists, here are the top ten from highest to lowest:

1) Punjabi-Jatt-Sikh
2) Punjabi-Jatt-Muslim
3) Punjabi-Khatri
4) Pushtikar-Brahmin
5) Kashmiri-Pandit
6) Punjabi
7) Kashmiri
8) Punjabi-Brahmin
9) Rajasthani-Brahmin
10) Singapore-Indian

 

What do you think? I was surprised at some of the detail it went into and some of it was actually expected - I have always explained to people how we very likely had Persian and possibly some European ancestors. Although I probably won't, personally I would love to lay claim to my Persian heritage!

Has anybody here taken a test?

What labels, if any, do I use now...Persian Jatt 

I think the moral here is we shouldn't be so narrow-minded.

 

well done.

I had one done some time ago and so did a good friend of mine. I needed it at the time because i was having an identity crisis that was mostly due to my non-punjjabi/non-brown surroundings   >>>It 's when i became proud of my ancestry origins and realised that jatts weren a RACE of people and not really a cast>as most sikhs think.

Recommend you have a good read read of these books below........

History of the Jats by by Kalika Ranjan Qanungo

Ancestral Roots of the Jats: DNA Revelations...by David G Mahal

also check the link  http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/17669/8/08_chapter 1.pdf

You should get a better understanding about the general and distinct physiques and features of jat race. Surprisingly you should learn that jat comes from the word "ajaat" that means "casteless"..

3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

It's basically the same as accusing a real Sikh of being an RSS Agent, very unreasonable on the person claiming @harsharan000was RadhaSwami.

Just a small correction. I'm not accusing or guessing the guy is radhasoami.  >>>>I am telling the truth and asking him to admit the truth if he has the guts.  >>>> I know that he is 'for defo' associated with them..

8 hours ago, silverSingh said:

I think you mean to say 'discriminate' instead of 'differentiate'. If we discriminate others on the basis of their caste it is very damaging and disgusting. It is digusting to look down on people on the basis of their color, gender, caste or religion. Discrimination is a very bad thing. Whereas, there is nothing wrong in feeling proud of your caste and your ancestors' trade/occupation. 

I agree with you when you state you can address....................! Very good point.

This is exactly what the other poster was saying. He said exacly the same thing that he was very proud of being a jat and that does not make him a casteist at all. A casteist person would be someone who discriminates others on the basis of their caste. What if a Lohar came along and said he was very proud of being a lohar? W ould that make him a castist at all? Not in my opinion!

Black people are very proud of their color same as the white people are, and so they should be!   I have met many westerners with surnames such as 'Cobblers' or 'Brewers' or 'Carpenters' or 'Taylors' and they always tell you their ancestors engaged in these trades or occupations and that is how they inherited these surnames. I have also heard many westerners say they are very  proud of their racial heritage.

  I am also very proud of my caste but I do not discriminate against anyone of a different caste and this definitely does not make me a castist.  No Sir!!!

Discrimination or (differentiation) is very harmful and damaging AND Discrimination is not same as being proud of your or one's caste. Discrimination is not same as being proud of your color, race, heritage, ancestoral trade or anything you have such as your wealth or high status.

I know Jaspindjy was not in favor of raising funds for someone perfectly able to work and pay her own mortgage but he was not a castestist at all. He asked perfectly valid questions in that thread regarding raising funds for sikh conversions and his first wife, but I did not find his posts expressing any discrimination at all towards other castes!  So, the reason his posts have been taken off the forum is his fundraising preferences and nothing to do with his being proud of his caste or who he is.  How low can you get on this forum is beyond belief! To judge people for refusing to donate money towards someone who no one knows or cares about is just so shocking! Even I never heard of this person NOT that I would like to know the shite with a face like a duffer!  He was only proud of being a jatt and none of his posts expressed any discrimination towards other castes. In fact, he said he is not an 'expert' on castes. So why did they attack him? Is it because he was so proud of his caste and not discriminatory towards anyone else on this forum? You people need to grow up and understand what someone was saying in his posts. He was not a casteistist by any standards.

Please, don't think that I am joking when I say that i am also very proud to be a jatt just like 'JUSTAJUTT' and 'jaspindjy'  so anyone with a chip on their shoulders, trying to brainwash others over here can JUST GO TO HELL WHERE YOU BELONG...Scram!! Stop accusing those proud of who and what they are of CASTEISM!!!

You are not even sikhs if you cannot accept his will or his bani which clearly states:' thereah baahna mittah'

You are correct 'JUSTAJATT' when you say:

" Being proud of your color, proud of your race, proud of your heritage and proud of your ancestory trade is accepting God's wiil as "thereah baahna mittah" 

Being proud of who and what you are doesn't make you predjudice. Being proud to be black doesn't mean you on the other end of spectrum to Ku klux kan,>>doesn;t mean your a honkey basher. So why does being proud of being a jatt or chamar make you casteist.

 

I'm glad that someone gets it and understands this issue.  I know i used the word "differentiate" because I was translating the punjabi term of "farakh" or doing farakh>>>differentiating with others due to their ancestory and lineage.

You are correct>> that  Discriminate is a better term to be using to describe the probllem that society has thrown in to tribal clans and their trades just to upset and corrupt the whole system.

It took me some years to understand this issue that has been created by society, and my dad was the one who taught me about my own family lineage going back to late 16th century rajputs>> and how we got our surname and settled in few pinds into the jatt trade.   

If my dad had not encouraged me to be proud of my own colour, race, ancestory clans and jatt trade>>> then I have no idea where i would have ended up as I only hung around with black afrocarrribean's  and did their thing for years   >>>>We all have our own stories of what may have brought us into sikhi>>>> but for me>> it was my Jatt factor and lineage roots that helped me wanna be more punjabi>>> which in turn helped me into sikhi.  

I find it sad>>> that people think of being proud of your tribal clan trade automatically enrolls you into the discriminating/predjudice brigade.

Just now, harsharan000 said:

Utter madness , and mentally unbalanced of a so called person, who is  thus worse than the main character in the following video :

Yeh ol'man.  what EXACTLY did i say wrong or unbalanced??

ANSWER THIS: Are you or are you not a Radahasoami? 

I know from your posts that you are pushing their distorted stuff whilst not admitting you are one of them. I wouldn't care less if you said "i'm radhasoami, before you try and disguise material as all sikhi

Dharm raaj will judge. An hasaab is done of all deeds and which of those were destined as per karma. Your own deeds of bothe good and bad on this new life's account are what you tally up under the free will banner.

I can give you plenty of quotes from gurbani that show GOD is and WILL judge This is done through devotees Dahramraaj, Chitr and Gupt.

DESTINY -> is PRE-DETERMINED by the EK ONKAAR.  >>>> I can show you plenty of gurbani quotes if you insist.

You are correct that DESTINY comes after KARMAs>>> ie. Destiny is pre-determined after the account of karams. since "KARMAI AVAI KAPRAH"  The kaprah is only worn on your soul and determined from the karams of SOUL.  But, DESTINY, >>is determined as to where your Kaprah, that will now contain your ego, soul and body will endure in this lifetime..  The DESTINY is for KAPRAH. Whether you become rich lawyer or poor burger flipper will not matter to your soul. Your soul will depart with only the treasure of NAAM-if you get it and the new hasaab of KARAMS wiped or gathered. DESTINY won't come into equation.

there is no paap in doing jaap of any mantra from gurbani...>>as long as the intention is out of pure prem for waheguru.

I'm not gonna make judgements on other sects but from harsharan's examples above, it seems like one cult or sect just continues to fight in the playground with the other sects.  

Someone said above that all gurbani is mantar>> and that is correct. You can sit there saying ek onkaar repearedly if you want. God's not gonna ignore ya.

MANTAR -> means MAN which is MIND. and TAR defines to a tool or something we use to produce an outcome from something. Therfore, MANTAR=,means MIND-Tool.   >>>Game is ALL about the MANN-MIND and how to steady it to focus on just the ONE sachay patshah.  >>>>> as long as you use the mantar fro this purpose and it's from guru''s bani, ie. something that Guru has given personally, >>then there's no problem with this. Dont' matter whether radhasomai, nirankaaris , 3ho or whoever> sings their own versions. WE don't need to be judging them>let GOD do the judging.

I know and i can tell you all as i did u-turn on my own life just by starting to jap gurmantar.. I had gone to anger managent classes repeatedly for years and couldn't get any control over this edge of mine.  II know you plonkas on here will try and provoke me as usual cuz of my "jatt" ness factor in my name. But you guys gotta learn that i'm changing one thing at a time and i've come a long way from the streets where i used to be selling gear. In all fairness, bring it on if you want but you just gonna bark at a brick wall. i'm in the absorbing phase at the moment and that means the more punches i take, the tougher i get and the more ego i shed, cuz you will just be knocking off layers of my ego with ya puches....  

10 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

Let us see a bit why Yogi Bhajan was not good at all, forget being a sikh, but even a decent human being.

 

Following is an article written by Steven Hassan which I found on the net, and seems having credibilty:

"The head of the empire, Yogi Bhajan, died in New Mexico in 2004 at the age of seventy-five.

Born Harbhajan Singh Puri, he arrived in the U.S. in 1969. He soon renamed himself Yogi Bhajan. He said he was a well-known holy man back home in India. In reality, in India, Bhajan had been merely a civil servant, a customs inspector.

Members of Yogi Bhajan’s group claim to be Sikhs. However, according to mainstream members of the religion, by adhering to the doctrine of Yogi Bhajan, they are violating more traditional Sikh teachings.

Yogi Bhajan’s teachings are closer to a synthesis of Kundalini yoga, tantric and New Age practices than anything originating from Sikh teachings.
 

The audacity of Yogi Bhajan’s claims makes this story particularly alarming. Bhajan taught, among other things, that he could see auras and see into the future. But perhaps his most outrageous claim was that he was the official religious and administrative leader of all Sikhs in the Western world.

I am told that most legitimate Sikhs avoid any association with Bhajan’s group, and that Yogi Bhajanism is by no means representative of the five-century-old Sikh tradition whose homeland is in the Indian Punjab

Former members with whom I have worked populate and tell their stories on a Delphi forum, “The Wacko World of Yogi Bhajan“. Over the past thirty years I have helped former members who alleged sexual and psychological abuse by and under Yogi Bhajan. There have been allegations of various criminal activities, and also Security Exchange Commission convictions of members of Yogi Bhajan’s inner circle. Several former students of Yogi Bhajan claim that when attempting to leave the group, they were threatened with violence. There is an unsolved murder of a member that is still under investigation, and also haunting suicides.

There is more information on this fraud yogi bhajan which can be read on the following address:(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-hassan/the-disturbing-mainstream_b_667026.html), but the above evidences are more than sufficient to prove out how devlish was this fellow."

 

*And to share a bit of light on the topic of the OP about what is a mantra, and its effects .... following are some basic points :

Mantra is a Sanskrit word that consists of two parts: the root word man, which relates to thought, and the suffix -tra, which refers to tools or instruments. The word literally means “a tool of the mind” or “instrument of thought.”

The word mantra is used to describe any thoughts, utterances, songs, or other sequences of words or sounds that are supposed to have spiritual efficacy or magical power.

A mantra is defined as “a tool of the mind that has a spiritual effect on a person’s will or emotional state of being.” A mantra can be a religious or sacred prayer or chant, but it can also be a spell or supernatural weapon.

Mantras are not specific to any one system of thought or religion.

Generally,any utterance or thought that is believed powerful enough, to affect either the inward state of a person’s mind or the world at large can be called a mantra.

 

substitute the word "yogi bhajan" with your own radhasoami guru, (or any cult/dera) then it will still read the same.

don't know why you've started blowing the baja again with your own "MASKED" agenda!!

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Geezer, there ain't no need for this kind of talk. 

sorry dude, i had to use that tone in reply to the filth he wrote towards me in an earlierr post that you probably missed.

His earlier post was>>>>>>>>>>>>

4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

JUSTAJATTKHAN , you cracked me up at Adam and Eve. 

Honestly, if you wanna pretend to be follower of an abrahamic cult, go the whole hog and convert to islam . 

Then you have a complete license to hate/kill gays. If you're lucky , you can travel to ISIS and toss gays from building tops. 

You pretend to "know-all" . How do you know its only male and female in god's creation ? Where would you put khusre (not gays)  then ? what about asexuals and hermaphrodites ? many species of the world don't even have a gender or can switch genders as per circumstances . 

You're just a prick who has neither understanding of gurbani nor basic etiquette. 

You're the same guy who has food stuck in his bushy mustache and lassi , and then does "burraah" after he's done eating . Dirty man 

and then he rants>>

4 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

So, in your opinion what should gays do ? practice celibacy all their life. You think its easy ?

I am sure your grandparents said same crrap about your generation the same way you say about millenials ! 

Just because homos make u uncomfortable is no reason to deny them their rights or dignity . Go f**k urself dude. 

Its with every generation gap. nothing new 

you see what you probably skimmed past?????

I mean this kind of guy needs a proper beating. I've repeatedly told him that sikhi is about being GOD-orientated, however, he just wants to justify and blend his twisted sexual orientation>>>>>and frankly, I've had enuff of this rubbish and am not standing for no more. 

2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

JUSTAJATTKHAN , you cracked me up at Adam and Eve. 

Honestly, if you wanna pretend to be follower of an abrahamic cult, go the whole hog and convert to islam . 

Then you have a complete license to hate/kill gays. If you're lucky , you can travel to ISIS and toss gays from building tops. 

You pretend to "know-all" . How do you know its only male and female in god's creation ? Where would you put khusre (not gays)  then ? what about asexuals and hermaphrodites ? many species of the world don't even have a gender or can switch genders as per circumstances . 

You're just a prick who has neither understanding of gurbani nor basic etiquette. 

You're the same guy who has food stuck in his bushy mustache and lassi , and then does "burraah" after he's done eating . Dirty man 

you need to just go and top yourself, because your a human of the lowest order.. Don't tell me to go and F@@k myself, because i'll smack your bony a$$ to the floor and leave you crying. 

Good luck and fitteh teri dingaling deh,   Dirty man is you because I couldn;t even turm my back to you if we in same room u son of a b@tch

just get the hell outa here you poofta

God damned lgbt,>>they've even knicked God's holy rainbow to represent themselves..  

My jatt factor has nothing to do with your sex-fetish. you might as well stick your dingaling in  a dog and you probably already do the way>> you try to justify men-women having anal.

If you were stood right here and said that to me>>> i'd slap your boney A$$$ to the floor. How dare you tell me and my kaurs that it's okay doing anal.  .. You spent your whole life watching porn like all u pervs from india do.

Ms AjeetSinghKaurPunjabi 

seriously????

keep your dirty fetish and dingaling out of the dharam

Being gay is NOT about sikhi.

Being Gay has NOTHING to do with Sikhi,,>>so why does the op keep bringing it in and asking for sympathy??

you gotta stop tampering and diluting sikhi to fit your own twisted agenda.  

SIKHI IS ABOUT YOUR ORIENTATION TOWARDS GOD.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION,,, SO JUST PACK IT IN AND STOP BRINGING UP THE SAME FILTH AGAIN AND AGAIN.

BTW. Being Gay should NOT be allowed in society..>>full stop.

We have messed up the world and it's play by being leneient and accepting all these divides. the divides just divide further and can never merge towards ONE. so in the light of spirituality>> you are walking AWAY from what is sacred and divine the more you divide.

today we shall accept gay people as norm,,, then gay marriage, then gay anand karaj,. then it will go to paedophiles and other fetish fangs saying that they have a medical problem,, they're born that way,,, we being unfair and predjudice,,blah blah>>>blaaah.. then the paedos will want sympathy and wanna be accepted as norm just like all the pufters currently are.... you guys are just killing and destroying the play of God.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

@Akalifauj  What would we do without you?

You are certainly a pillock of the highest rank

Radhasoamis are the worst because they are the clever deceivers. They fool Sikhs by using gurbani and doing some secret whispering of naam in your earl lobe>>> a load of baloney

I think there are a few members on here as well that pretend to be gursikhs and put on posts about "bhakti". But they foolishly leave some clues in the way they say and describe certain things. Don't worry, you know who you are and so do I