Balwinder Singh

Jamdoots speak punjabi or the language which the person in encounter speaks? Or it was a telepathy kinda thing? I didn't understand the story much. Also, jamdoots usually come at the time of death (this is what I have heard).

You cannot understand GOD. You have to live God. Human mind is too small to understand "infinite " God. No matter how much u understand.....God will be beyond ur understanding. Also, God is not against entropy. That is why entropy keeps on increasing in every process. Happiness and misery are byproducts of human mind. You can equate God to be a balancing force or correcting force....but God is still beyond that.

Excellent replies!!

Is it that funny??? I think its another form of Love.

If you dont beleive in God, then NOBODY can prove the existence of God to you. God is not "something" u can capture in ur logic and explain. God is beyond logic and beyod explanation. People who beleive in God truly, see God everywhere and for them there is no other or "begana"....no enemy....absoulutely no "other" than God Himself. People who dont beleive in God have a definition of God which they themselve make.....but its IMMPOSSIBLE to "define " God.

How can somebdy measure how religious a person is?

It was about helmet thing abt sikhs in UK

A good reply phenji! GREAT reply PENJI

ONLY sohila sahib??? so r we allowed to do other paths while walking??? or how does that (other paths) effects Guru ji?

"now lets look at what sant ji actually wrote... they wrote bhai lehna was massaging guru nanak dev jis feet and Guru nanak dev jis foot had some blood on it. Bhai Lehna asked Guru Sahib what happened. Guru sahib is like go call this singh. so they called the singh. and Guru Nanak dev ji was like this singh was reciting paath with so much prem pyaar and sharda that i was following him around and listening to him recite baani. The Singh was working in a field and I stepped on a thorn while following the Singh, thats where the bloods from" I think u mean "sikh" when u said "Singh" because its the time of Guru Nanak. There were singhs at that time also......but...I think u got what I mean Also, does the above sakhi mean that we shud not recite path when we are walking??? Did sant ji also concluded this from the sakhi??

In ur earlier post u quite clearly said that "budh is in gyan khand" and mentioned some sources. In the same context I asked u the next question. If u are quite clear that what is in gyan khand...then by applying same logic u should be able to tell me the answer to my question. I NEVER said that there is no realm known as sachkhand. I just said that it an experience which only lucky one can experience. Also God is EVERYWHERE......its in u ...its in me....its everywhere.....Sab gobind hai Sab Gobind hai.....Sachkhand is an experience where we come to a understanding like tun tun karta tun hua......or as Baba Bulle Shah says.....ranjha ranjha kardi ni mein appe ranjha hoyee. Its a state of mind where there is no difference between u and me....everything seems ONE....like EK ONG KAR. That creator or God is everywhere where one looks.....that state of mind is sachkhand.....and then Guru Nanak says "sachkhand vasse nirankar"....because there is NO other......Where one says ....he/she see God everywhere.So ...sachkhand vasse nirankar.....jiv jiv hukam tivee tiv kar......because then the devotte live under the divine laws of God...which we call Hukam. Then if u burn the devotee in fire or cut him in peices....he will never cry ...becuase he /she is in Hukam....in sachkhand...where he sees God everwhere....because he come to the realization.....sachkhand vasse nirankar. I FULLY agree with Vein nadi happening......its not as simple as u described. When somebdy attain "sachkhand"....he live under the divine hukam of God...."jiv jiv hukam tive tiv kaar"......I dont know what happened in vein nadi but Guru got a message from God that he has to spread the word. There are many(still rare) who acheive sachkhand....but God doesn't bestow guruship on them.....Guru is very very rare person....because from guru, Akal wants his word to be spread. God chooses Guru. Also....I NEVER said Budha is equal to guru Nanak. I never said he is above....Never said he is Below. They were different from one another....as u r different from me....still we are sikh. Every human being is different and has different way to acheive God. Infact everything is different. God never repeats itself. SAHIB MERA NIT NAWAN...SADA SADA DATTAR. I gave the answer already. I beleive in Vein Nadi episode. Its hard to beleive. Do u have any reference from gurbani where ANY of the bhagat even said something on the lines that "nanak is their guru". I can beleive that kabir met Guru nanak or Ravidass met guru Nanak......but they just met.....kabir didn't leave his Guru and ravidass didn't leave his guru (Ramanand).

But u didn't answer my question. Any reference for the above written hapenings from gurbani? When did it happen? I can say same for Gautam Budh... Also "sachkhand" is not a physical space. "Guru Sahib being called to sachkhand" Guru Nanak resides in sachkhand. How can waheguru call him in sachkhand? Also Akal and guru are one. One cannot differtiate Akal from guru. They live in one another. Infact there is no other for the guru.....He is one with Akal. Hard to put inwords....but i think I tried my best. Any reference from "gurbani" or any historical accurate source? Some bhagats are from pre guru nanak times...like bhagat naam dev. How did he meet guru nanak? Kabir never said he is a part of "organised" sikh religion. ofcourse he was a "sikh" of his guru ramanand.

Its not telling us what in the khand. Its telling us the understand which we will get if we reach in this khand. These realms are realms of experience and understanding. Can u answer why earth and sky are in this khand? Also can u answer why khand (planet),mandal and barhmand are also listed in sachkhand? earth is also planet...right? Its just an understanding or experience....there are no words to explain it.....still guru ji was so compassationate that he tried his best it in words. Dont go by plain words....try to go deep into it. By the same logic I can ask u....who was the guru of Nanak? Gurbani also sometimes mentions satguru when it means God. Same way as Ram is used in gurbani when it refers to God. Also Guru Gobind Singh Say: Add Ant Eke Avtara, Soyi Guru Samjayo Hamara Guru Nanak told us the path to sachkhand.....how many of us reached there???? For the same reason new religion come into being because people lke us "misinterpret" old religions...and make them useless filled with blind rituals. Gurumatt was there at the time of kabir, ravidass, baba farid....because they also followed their Guru and their guru's mat . it was there in the time of bheekhan and gulal.

Buddha is NOT jeevan mukat. Gurbani clearly tells us in Japji Sahib that Buddha is in Giaan Khand. "ketay Sidh Budh naath kaytay". Buddhists don't even believe in God so how can they reach Sachkhand. Budhaa is in Giaan Khand and clearly not in Sach Khand. Dear Singh ji, Please try to understand what guru ji is saying here in Japji. He is not listing us the people who are in gyan khand. He is telling us that when somebdy reaches gyan khand then he sees that there are thousands and thousands of budhas (BTW budha doesn't mean Gautam Budh, budha mean one who is one with the existence), Thousands and thousands of sidha, Thousands and thousands of nath,Thousands and thousands of earths,Thousands and thousands of skies. Guru ji here listed Earth and sky....do u think they(earth and sky) are also in gyan khand?....try to understand...Guru ji is just saying that the whole existence will be revealed in gyan khand. I hope I made it clear. Also, Buddist beleive in God....but in other way. When somebdy asked Gautam Budh about God....He didn't say anything because He knew that.....as soon as one start saying about God ....it becomes a "false statement". Even Guru nanak said that it immpossible to describe God. He cannot be described by words. Its an experience....like u cannot describe sweetness of sugar....or beauty of nature. I hope i made my point clear.

How do u describe budha....was he not jeevan mukat? Also, saints like kabir came before Guru Nanak..... they were not jeevan mukat or their path was different from Nanak? Saints like Mansoor,Paltu, Bheekhan....they had their gurus and they were jeevan mukat.

"""steal turbans"""" What does that mean??????? Why steal and that too turbans....

Who is the baba? What wrong with him????

God has a capacity of providing us as much prophets/gurus/bhagats as He wants. "Last prophet theory" is in almost every religion of the world. As "many" sikhs beleive that "Guru Granth Sahib ji" is the only Guru and there is no other Guru....and there never will be. Similarly, chirtans beleive that chirt was the only savior. This thery is ingrained in the masses to hold them together.

I agree with that. I think this concpt in a "guru-sikh" relation. Sikh has to obey the guru, no matter what to attain salvation as Guru is the only person who can bestow salvation. So there is nuthin in the world like Guru because he has what one needs.

I agree with that. I think u mean that people who do not have hair ( or cut hair)...they hate hair...thereby they hate "creation" of God ...and thereby they do not love God.....and therefore they cannot attain salvation. But kabir ji is saying...whether u have hair or not....Love of God is unconditional.... he doesn't judge u on the basis of hair. Am I confusing u or I am confused.

Can u also provide us the information you think is true, So that we can update it.

I think if he has energy to edit it again. You should also have that energy to keep it editing. Also we guys can also help u. Let us know how to do it.

What are u implying here? Can u plz elaborate. i meant just that. EVERYTHING. I understood that. But I fail to understand what were to trying to tell me in that reply. The gurbani tuk was quite clear and understandable.

I fully agree with this. but... What are u implying here? Can u plz elaborate.

2NDLY, THE PERSON WHO SED IT DNT SAY NUFINK IN GURU GRANTH SHAIB JI ABOUT CUTTIN HAIR NEEDS 2 GET SLAPPED, PERSOANLLY I WOULD LUV 2 DO THIS :wub: I am sorry veer ji but I didn't understnad ur statement here. There is a gurbani tuk by bhagat kabir ji: " kbIr pRIiq iek isau kIey Awn duibDw jwie ] kabeer preeth eik sio keeeae aan dhubidhhaa jaae || Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart. BwvY lWby kys kru BwvY Grir mufwie ]25] bhaavai laa(n)bae kaes kar bhaavai gharar muddaae ||25|| You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25|| " Which is about "hair". Were u reffering to this tuk or u were saying the opposite?