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Its a shame the thread's going off the specific topic into a personal feud between 2 indviduals. For the sake of the issue, I beg the 2 guys to carry on elsewhere. Within the peripheries of the Gurdwara Sahib Gurmat must prevail. Theres no excuse for that not happening whatsoever. These are controllable boundaries for Sikh maryada, outside these physical boundaries one can argue that Manmat is highly likely to dominate. Our Gurdwaras are the central hubs of our Sikhi. The activities which take place in these Gurdwara give direction to millions of Sikhs on how to conduct their lives. If our hubs are disciplined then we leave little room for corruption to set in. If our hubs allow immoral activities to set in then no doubt the congregation are likely to be influenced or use the immoral activities to justify un-Sikh activities. This Satkaar campaign is a simple request to keep the Gurdwara property a pavitar place. A pavitar place where papis like me are blessed with Amrit not barcadi or whiskey. If people who have appointed themselves custodians of these Gurdwaras (i.e. the Committee) are unable to see the moral dilemma they cause by promoting alcohol, meat and parties, then hopefully Gurbani will guide them. If they fail to understand Gurbani then hopefully a Sandesh will guide them. If that fails then hopefully Sangat pressure will guide them. In simple terms. There is no excuse to allow alcohol, meat etc. on the premises of any Gurdwara complex.

these religions are older so have had more time to spread and have more people. main thing, i think, is that in teh previous generation or two there was a lot of english prachaar from buddh dharm. in sikhi, the english language prachaar is only starting in this generation with Tirath Singh Nirmala and Kamalpreet Singh pardesi and some others. We had english books before, but almost every single one of them was very shallow and not really spiritual but focused on outer rules etc which doesn't attract non-sikhs; or they were historical/political. another factor, they were in a good position to take advantage of the explosion of interest in non-xtian dharm during the hippie eras. In sikhi, i think only Yogi Bhajan ji was properly positioned to take advantage of these times. So... bottomline, it's mostly due to circumstance, but probably our community's focus on making their kids into moneymakers like doctors and pushing them away from non-making pastimes like prachaar has also contributed.