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From my understanding, Gurbani doesn’t dimmish the contributions of avataars, like Krishan and Raam, but reminds us of their limitations and end mortality. It’s telling us to look beyond the messenger. The way to convey this to the sangat is not easy. That’s why you have extreme positions in the Panth with some discarding all aspects of vedant/sanatan references and concepts, while the other extreme leaving sikhi indistinguishable from another branch of sanatan dharm. Also, giving references from gita is the same as Gurbani mentioning various events and personalities from the past. I

dallysingh is a typical Kenyan Ramgarhia going on about his hatred for Jatts. Being of an Indian Ramgarhia background I've never understood why they have this hatred. They are a stuck up bunch who love to show off and think they are better than Indian Sikhs, but they are all show and no substance. They've made Ramgarhia gurdwaras a laughing stock with their relaxed rules. Now he lives in Britain the country which took in his family when Idi Amin and his like were threatening and kicking out the Indians in Africa, and he calls the English people whiteys, honkies etc. Chill out and hav

Now that villains with long beards and turbans are once again dominating the American news cycle, I think singhs who are living in America need to be on guard. The backlash is coming. Stay safe brothers.

Do you honestly think that Americans can even tell the differences between the different styles? Or care about the differences? What a joke. Most "Sikhs" these days can't even tell the difference between different pagh styles.

Why didn't you punch your dad?

Agree. It's a very fine line. Some go overboard and are completely disrespectful to these personalities in some of the most dirtiest thing I've ever heard coming from so-called religious or spiritual people. Others go the other way and might as well be washing idols with milk in servitude, lol.

Oh give me a break I can just imagine it now: some hick sees a Singh and feels like saying something foul. Then he thinks to himself, "Wait a second, that turban might not be a taliban turban ... it shows a bit less forehead and covers the ears ... also, it's not black or white, it's saffron ... maybe he's Sikh! No, actually, I read on sikhsangat.com the other day that the official Sikh colors were blue and basanti yellow, not saffron, so he's probably not Sikh ... hmmm ...." Basically the only people who notice the subtle differences between different turban styles are

Paji guarantee way UK girl love you is get tattoo of this. I saw with my own eyes most beautiful girl with man wearing this tattoo. 100% jodi pakki paji.

Our community tends to display this reactive and extreme behaviour in multiple places. For example, a leader is either an infallible sant or a scummy gadhaar. We look for easy categorization to suit our intellectual capacities, perhaps? It’s partly a result of our unique position on the religious landscape. Islam offers simple and crude life goals with dumbed down doctrine. Perfect for the desert tribes. Sanatan Dharma is so vast, tangled, contradictory, that they’ve basically narrowed down the membership requirements to being born in the subcontinent and NOT following the Abrahamics, and you’

It's quite simple why the Taliban types win wars. Soldiers in conventional armies/forces don't want to die. They serve for their pay and pension. Their whole set up is for safety and zero casualties. The Taliban WANT to die, they have an unlimited supply of fighters (if western forces get a few casualties their recruitment numbers nose dive), their pension is the afterlife. The fact that the Taliban have outlasted the combined forces of the west for 20yrs tells you how much of a 'house of cards' the west's military might is. The USA alone is the most 'powerful' military force ever

His gol gappeh should be nowhere near the ones he's selling to customers.

That quote will not only wreck this life but your next ones.

You already trim your beard, so who cares? Punjabi girls who will only consider guys with cut hair and/or trimmed beards are pathetic anyway. Why try so hard to impress pathetic people? I would rather die alone than sell out my beliefs.

Long-term (over the course of the next 20 years), I think the West will deliberately let them regain total control of their country using the oppressive form of Islam the Taliban obviously want to enact. Then we'll begin to get news of human rights abuses, crimes against women and minority religions, etc. Propaganda bombardment. Then there might be some terrorist attacks in the West claimed by Taliban forces or Afghan refugee settlers sore about the West destroying their country since 2001. Whether the U.S. decides to keep Afghanistan as a place to halt Russian activities is unclear. The place

@Kau89r8 Hanji, this post was made in context. @dharamyudh People of this earth have forgotten the Supreme lord who blesses them with every breath.They have become driven by the 5 thieves and God's Name is far from their tongue.They do bad deeds and don't meditate.Destruction is bound to happen.The Khalsa and those who belong to Vaheguru, those who have given their heads to the Guru and have abandoned manmatt.Only they will survive without any suffering.Vaheguru takes care of all his beings.Just read bani and do naam simran.Hope for Sarbat Da Bhalla.Hope that the destruction does not happen,

You could be a big Singh too, who's docile. Then they're probably thinking "Oh these are the canon fodder we used. Bravo." I remember a few years ago some english twat in the pub saying, "Sikhs were the first to get killed in the wars! Scoff, snigger, scoff!" Then when I replied: "No, they were the first to kill." His sniggering stopped dead in its tracks. Let them feel/know that things could get 'buckwild' if certain lines are crossed, and see how they'll treat you then. Open your mouth about issues and be opinionated - see how they react then. If they say "oh you helped us in the wars."

Usually, in the above particular example, that surface public image tends to conceal a darker reality. But in our case in recent times we've adopted this demeanour not because we're genuine Nice Guys, but because we're afraid of any future situation where there's trouble for us. It's a pre-emptive "Please don't hit me! Remember that time I did such-and-such for you!" It's cowardice masquerading as virtue. Such cuckery. And this is the Sikh mainstream in the UK at least.

What is with the downvotes?Had to check whether I was on Sikhsangat or jihad.com. A doctor is a sensitive position that gives him confidential private info on patients backgrounds. Very powerful position for a groming mastermind.

The chala for the cattle to drink out of doesn't count.

Why India-resident Sikh leadership use Sikhi as a front for self-enrichment, greed and corruption?

I think our whole perspective of Banda Singh has been coloured by the contemporary sources we've been compelled to use for his history i.e. Persian. They are full of derogatory comments about him and Singhs in general. Recently Balwant Singh Dhillon published English translations of contemporary Rajastani sources that were unknown to the panth before. These do not have all the derogatory comments. I think he was a great leader and set the precedent for taking on and defeating larger, better equipped moghul forces in full scale battles.

Nirmala darshan Singh shastri has printed the Gobind gita from the Dasam Granth sarup written by baba deep Singh currently at Patna Sahib. He has also done its sudhayee with some other puratan Pothis of Gobind gita. Go to gurmatveechar.com Click on steeks and teekas And look for Gobind gita by sant darshan Singh shastri

In terms of the killing part of the Gita. This is a war that was taking place and to come to terms to killing a certain level of detachment that needs to take place. Krishan being a higher level being in a human body understood what mortality really is. That the human body is just a shell and the soul is forever. So by killing all you are doing is releasing the soul. It was a Dharam Yudh and certain things had to be done to uphold Dharma. Killing had to be done and detachment was required to prevent the hesitancy.

All? You sure about that? Guru Arjan Dev? Guru Har Rai? Guru Har Krishan? Guru Gobind Singh? I'm certain based on official writings the mentioned Gurus had what we'd call staff and helpers which included people farming their land on their behalf. Let's not get... carried away!

Are we just getting upset because we were traditionally in the lower castes?

I know (or knew) of people who would never miss a Sant Singh Maskeen katha smagam or a Bhai Pinderpal Singh appearance. They'd sit in the sangat with their eyes closed in utter samadhi for hours. However, these same people were also dabblers in black magic and had a pandit baba on speed dial. What affect has the elite level of katha available to Sikhs managed to do for these people?

I think at some base human level, we are always looking for someone to lead so we can follow them. That is why in a lot of religions, they are always looking for a second coming It is a form of replication of a hierarchy/pyramid, after all the human is a herd animal. In terms of spiritual liberation the guru granth sahib is our eternal guru so we do not have follow a human, however humans are going to human. Our gurus gave us the keys to unlock ourselves out of our prison to achieve mukhti but we are reluctant to do so. It is because doing so, we get ourselves out of our comfort

This subject has been on my mind for a few years now. In some ways I think the need to hold certain people up in admiration is a universal thing. In a secular sense people of Western heritage have moved on from being captivated by religious personalities, and have moved to hanging off the words of actors, singers, sports stars. In places like India there's certainly the worship of celebrities, but the religiously-minded can't seem to relinquish their obsession with deifying Man. It's more disturbing in the case of Sikhs because we've been instructed to knock that 5hit on the head. Unfortunatel

Thus is wrong. Being Punjabi is a large part of the Sikh identity at present due to Punjabi Sikhs being a majority of Sikhs as well as the fact that the vast majority of events in Sikh history took place in Punjab. BUT there is nothing to say that at some stage another ethnic group might to convert en masse to Sikhi and still wish to preserve their language and cultural traits which are not against Sikhi. We need to understand that other religions have become quite savvy in the way they go after converts from any particular group. They promote the aspects of their religion which they kno

Most Sikh also believe Sikhi is supreme.

Not anytime soon bro.......... That was gross. You know when I was younger I often used to think the whole suchum and jhoota thing was some sort of pakand. Now that I'm older and wiser and have learnt just how f**king nasty strangers can be, I get it! I full on get it! My moms NEVER ate out, and always said she didn't trust the places making the food. I used to think this was overkill but now.... Plus all the stuff I read from the Ranjit Singh's raj's time, where only a certain person was allowed to cook the rajah's food and then they put it in a locked box, of whic

So this must explain the salty taste that comes from gol guppas in India.

If you recall a few years ago we were discussing how these people after living the same way for centuries have suddenly got material wealth and it has got to their heads. After making observations about these people, I tend to make comparisons between today's Punjab and our parents generation in the UK who came from a Punjab from an earlier era. Our parents generation and the ones above had to make sacrifices and had to endure delayed gratification where they are now after decades are enjoying the fruits of their labour. This 21st Punjab is one of instant gratification. They wan

The problem that certain people keep barging into when explaining these issues to a particular brand of person who's all passion and zero direction is the idea of a divine mandate behind the creation of a country. They seem to believe this by itself will paper over the inevitable operational cracks that will arise. It's basically the religious version of, "Love finds a way." The blame for nurturing this mindset lays firmly with the religious hierarchy in the faith. If you listen and sift through their philosophies with a critical ear, they aren't interested in creating men who'll LEAD the reli

I think taking the oath as a formality is one thing, actually believing in it, is another. I just hope our people start pushing Sikhi (not "Sikhism!") values which the whole world desperately needs right now and not Panjabicentric rural culture full of casteism and bhangra and zero brains.

Good discussion question. The cards are heavily stacked against us. - We are a religious minority surrounded by hostile majorities with one side wanting to convert us and the other incrementally trying to revert us. Failing which, they both would happily genocide us. - Even the area of Punjab we wanted to make our homeland is over 40 % non-Sikh as @Ranjeet01 pointed out. Why would Punjabi Hindus want to limit themselves when they have the option of being part of a Billion+ Hindu India? - We are not strategically important for any of the world powers to take notice - We don’

I am overweight few kilos and i admit that it my mistake and my weakness will lead to health problems. Not in million years that i will accept it that Its okay to be a fat. This new trend of being happy and acceptable of what you are is dangerous and too weak. I have seen corporations now taking in models for clothes who are fat etc. Call me old style but humans who are on wrong path must be given a continuous jolt and encouragement to loose weight or any other issue. Just note that Bullying or calling names is not right and very wrong.

And apparently holy scripture that endorses a never-ending special relationship between God and His chosen people, which divinely sanctions the creation of their own nation at the expense of all others.

Most countries gain freedom if there are big backers in the background. India would never had gained independence if the US never gave the UK pressure. It was in the US agenda to cut the British Empire down. The Taliban always received tacit support from the Pakistani intelligence services and the Pakistani establishment.

Don't get too disheartened. As difficult as it may be to process and appreciate the political and shadow political games in that part of the world, we should remember that certain factions of world power REQUIRE a Taliban to continue the fight. These things are rarely ever straight fights despite the news media portrayals. Strategic retreats, strategic attacks, etc. It's not a case of Sikhs not being good enough or lacking determination (which IS a factor but not the entire picture). It's just that there's no third party who has anything considerable to gain from OUR agitation. Case in p

They're spent decades fighting every world power. Nobody does an occupation followed by recovery, over and over, like the taliban. They are unique in that way. Nobody else on the planet has their exact experience or expertise. I don't think they have any inherent virtue per se, they're just bread from the survivors of 100 years of war. I used to get some real reactions from american military personnel. Sitting around rednecking it up, talking their ish, then you remind their fat uneducated posterior that taliban are born into asymetrical warfare, training harder, living harder, shoo

I was listening to a BBC interview with a Talibani spokesman a few days ago. He was throwing in words like "inclusivity", "diversity", and all these other contemporary progressive buzzwords, and I'm mentally applauding the guy and whoever designed their current media profile, because they know how completely feminised and weak the West has become, and these Talibanis have adopted the vernacular of Western media to push ISLAMISM! The balls on them, lmao. Fair play. Use the progressive West's bakwaas against them. Genius.

How dare you! I'll have you know they've reformed their image.

Trigger finger discipline. They've been learning since they've been "away."

Male... AMRITDHARI... Female Is 'amritdhari' the third biological sex?

And why didn't your Dad protect your Mum and give you a big thappar?