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  1. Thought I'd start a thread about books worth reading. They don't have to be Sikhi related. I picked up: Confessions of an economic hit man by John Perkins. Have been told it's a must read.
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  2. Isla has a buldge down there...
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  3. This reminds of this scene in Bruce Lee's Fist Of Fury. I guess we have always been seen as mercenaries.
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  4. From my recollection that wasn't a quote from Baba Nanak ji but Sant Jarnail Singh ji?
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  5. Yeah there's always gonna be those who are not fully rehitvaan Doesnt mean puratan granths promoted that, just stating the facts
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  6. bro i am from canada and ive heard some messed up stories happening about these guys picking on sikhs and selling them drugs this is not happening in all of canada especially not bc or brampton but it is slowly happening in other areas like AB, and toronto in SASK they r actually ''grooming'' native girls and a gang of usual suspect had been recently charged with trafficking under age girls from victoria to the praries
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  7. Every reply in this thread has been cracking. Great contributions; lots to think over and absorb. It's also clear to me how easy it is to veer off course when trying to understand the absolute core of what Sikhi is telling us. We, as humans, impose our pre-existing beliefs, practices, and prejudices on matters that the nuances of which are - as the saying goes - finer than a hair's breadth. The distinction between what's correct and what's inaccurate is such a fine line to tread. Unlike other faiths we perhaps don't portend doom for people around us and humanity in general if our comprehension of Sikhi isn't as firm as it should be, but for the sake of establishing clarity in our own minds, and therefore allowing us to be productive and good Sikhs and humans in general, we owe it to ourselves to truly comprehend what our faith's scriptures are saying to us, and not arrive at a rough estimation based on skewed information or occasionally outright false assumptions built on things we suppose to be accurate. I use to hear it growing up and i didn't quite understand the impact of it, but I'm beginning to realise that Sikhi is truly not an easy path to follow. Of course, the rewards for doing so are in themselves worth undergoing the tough journey.
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  8. She said no, twice. How much more clarity do you require? Win the lottery and she might reconsider.
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  9. just finished warrior by Stephen Pressfield reading in tandem is Autobiographical book of ultramarathoner Scott Jurek , 'Eat & Run' mental toughness ...and pushing beyond ...so far so good.. I have a habit of multiple book reading , just starting 'Siddharta: The Prince Who became Buddha' by Hermann Hesse too
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  10. Empirical evidence suggests that any effort by a member of the older generation to live according to Sikhi has zero impact on the younger generation keeping their kesh. For example, consider the 1960s Wolverhampton bus driver who was not allowed to do his job after he started keeping his kesh. That incident sparked protests. But a generation later, it is not enough to inspire his son to keep his kesh. And then we can go beyond that and consider descendants of Sikh shaheeds or even descendants of our Gurus!
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  11. Even if alcohol is completely banned and no Hindus, Sikhs, or Muslims drink alcohol in Punjab, this slavery would still exist because of profits and maya; we need to give punishments for slavers.
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  12. I just happened to read this article in my local paper by chance. This happened only 15 minutes from where Im from. Shocking to know these things are happening in your neighborhood. The story of a Hindu man from Mauritius who murders his wife after being divorced/ seperated. She later marries a muslim then converted to islam. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7746015/man-appears-in-court-accused-of-shooting-heavily-pregnant-ex-wife-dead-with-a-crossbow/
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  13. Too add another piece of the puzzle of what apnay experienced during the colonial period (as requested in the OP). It’s easy to be mistaken by this picture of a gentle, stooped, grandfatherly 95 year-old. He was in fact one of the most feared and dangerous men in British India. So feared was he by the British that, shackled in irons, he was held for 16 years in near solitary confinement 1000kms off the shore of India for fear of the revolution he tried to spark. This is Sohan Singh Bhakna, founder of the revolutionary Ghadr Party. When India joined WW1, every young Punjabi man was vigorously encouraged to join the Indian Army; British officials, Indian nobility, Indian district bureaucrats, even the Indian National Congress and Mahatma Gandhi joined forces to promote recruitment. Opposing that consensus was a vociferous, violent energetic group, operating from North America called the Ghadrs, or revolutionaries. Sohan Singh Bhakna became active in the early nationalist movement before he joined the small pioneering stream of men who moved out of Punjab to the Pacific Northwest in the early 1900s where he worked in lumber mills. America wasn’t colonising India but there was no lack of racism and discrimination toward the ‘Hindoo’ labourers and Bhakna rapidly joined the early Indian labour movement. He founded the Ghadr party with other North American Indians who agitated for the overthrow British colonial authority in India by means of an armed revolution. The Ghadrs viewed the Congress-led Independence movement as soft and unambitious so adopted a harder stance with their principal strategy to entice Indian soldiers into armed revolt against the British taking particular advantage of the vulnerability of the First World War. Their revolutionary plans included smuggling arms to the passengers of the Komagatu Maru on their return to India, making overtures to the German Embassy in the US, pumping out revolutionary messages to Indian soldiers via their prolific pamphleteering. Their most seditious and dangerous plot was to coordinate violent armed revolutionary activity with Indian soldiers in SE Asia. Alarmed, the British promptly arrested Sohan Singh as he tried to enter India in 1914 and tried for conspiracy. Found guilty, he was sentenced to death. A sentence later commuted to life imprisonment in The Andaman Islands, 1000kms off the shore of India. There Sohan Singh settled into a period of revolt and activism with repeated hunger strikes to improve the conditions for his fellow prisoners. Both in the Andamans and back in India where he was imprisoned until 1930 he carried out hunger strikes for Sikh prisoner’s religious rights, the rights of lower caste Indian prisoners and in support of Bhagat Singh. By the outbreak of the Second world war, Sohan Singh had been released 10 years and was an active and fearsome political voice for the Communist Party. War brought new rules, and the Indian Government arrested and interred the now 70-year-old Sohan Singh for 3 more years in an Indian jail lest he revive his violent tendencies during a time of wartime vulnerability. He lived another 20 years after Indian Independence and the Partition, a constant and prolific voice in early Indian politics. He died in 1968, ending a phenomenal life of 98 years, in his home district of Amritsar. -Amandeep Madra https://barusahib.org/general/sohan-singh-bhakna-the-man-who-shook-the-britishers-with-fear/
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  14. I think you're correct here. There is a redefinition of each religious group by Guru sahibaan in Gurbani. The new vision Maharaj offers, naturally and gently funnels them into a more Sikhi oriented way of life. The 4-doors-one-walkway metaphor.
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  15. I think you need your head examined. This is deeper than just alcohol availability. The above is the result of bhekhi 'Sikhs' i.e. demons who have no problem wearing banna and having absolutely no humanity. This is no new phenomena (see below from Chaupa Singh rahit). Having a 'holy city' where this goes on will be an even bigger disgrace. We have to straighten this stuff out beforehand.
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  16. Wouldn't being a good Muslim endorse keeping prisoners of war as slaves and in the case of women sex slaves? Likewise being a good Hindu would encourage following the caste system. These things are explicitly mentioned in the Quran and Gita.
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  17. Totally agreee. And what did fighting other people's wars get us? Literally nothing. I can't believe there are sikhs who celebrate being foot soldiers every year.
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  18. I think that it is just too late. If Haridwar can get holy city status then why not amritsar? The reason they don't want to do it because if holy status given then Meat and Liquor will be banned from the city. Plus they simply want to continue to suppress the minority. Majority of the Amritsar residents are non-sikhs. Those who think Amritsar is not important for Sikhs; needs to get their head check.
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  19. Why does everyone fixate on Amritsar so much? Waheguru is everywhere. There is nothing special about Amritsar. This is just another illustration of Sikhs mimicking other religions. We need to have a "holy city" because we are no less than them!
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  20. Amritsar should be more than that even, should be given a special status like Rome and City of London!
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  21. I'm really poor at getting up for amritvela time. When I was commuting to work I usually listened to paat on my headphones or in my car stereo. If I had any banis left maybe even listen to them at the start of shift. Also would try and start to listen before I left home. Another thing you can try is to get a nap or sleep early, and then at least you can get up for amritvela and then maybe take another nap or sleep. Read up about biphasic sleep, it used to be normal in the past.
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  22. Youre actually lucky bro How was the dream? and when did it happen?
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  23. Same. I was planning to take amrit this april.
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  24. Note all the current obsession with light skin. These geezers are as black as some Africans.The one on the right could pass for Aboriginal. And people should speak for themselves......no pot belly here.....lol I think it's actually more about physical activity. I was looking at the Falcon regimental guide and I was pretty shocked to see that the diet had not changed much in over hundred years. Basically my parent's generation was eating pretty similar (if not identical) to what was a normal rural Panjabi diet a hundred and thirty odd years ago. I think the lack of sun and heat in the west also plays a big part in not only our skin colour, but also our biological processes with vit D.
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  25. Original text from Suraj Prakash Granth. Translated in 2011. ਮਮ ਸਿਖ ਤੁਰਕਣਿ ਸੰਗ ਨ ਕਰੈ। ਏਕ ਬਾਰ ਹੀ ਭੋਗੈ ਕੋਇ। ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਸੋ ਤਤਛਿਨ ਹੋਇ। ਜੋ ਨਰ ਹਿੰਦੁ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਧਰੈ। ਬਚੈ ਤੁਰਕਣੀ ਤੇ ਸੋ ਤਰੈ। ਜੋ ਪਰ ਨਾਰਿ ਭੋਗ ਪਛੁਤਾਵੈ। ਕੁਛ ਪ੍ਰਾਸ਼ਚਿਤ ਅਘ ਹਿਤ ਕਰਿਵਾਵ ॥15॥ ਕੈ ਗੁਰ ਸਿੱਖਨ ਤੇ ਬਖਸ਼ਾਵੈ। ਸੋ ਸਿਖ ਅਘ ਤੇ ਬਖਸ਼ਯੋ ਜਾਵੈ। ਜੋ ਤੁਰਕਨਿ ਸਿਖ ਭੋਗਹਿ ਜਾਇ। ਸੋ ਨਹਿਂ ਬਖਸ਼ਯੋ ਜਾਇ ਕਦਾਇ ॥16॥ ਪਾਕੋ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ਹ੍ਵ੍ਵੈ ਸੋਇ। ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਅਜਾਨ ਜਿ ਭੂਲੈ ਕੋਇ। ਮਿਲਿ ਤੁਰਕਨਿ ਸੰਗ ਸਿਖ ਬਨ ਜਾਇ। ਸੋ ਭੀ ਛੂਟ ਜਾਇ ਗੁਰ ਧਯਾਇ ॥17॥ ਪੁਨ ਸਿੰਘਨਿ ਬੂਝੇ ਗੁਨ ਖਾਨੀ। ਬ੍ਰਿੰਦ ਤੁਰਕ ਭੋਗੈਂ ਹਿੰਦਵਾਨੀ। ਸਿਖ ਬਦਲਾ ਲੇ ਭਲਾ ਜਨਾਏ। ਕਯੋਂ ਗੁਰ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬਰਜ ਹਟਾਏ? ॥18॥ ਸੁਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬੋਲੇ ਤਿਸ ਬੇਰੇ। ਹਮ ਲੇ ਜਾਨੋ ਪੰਥ ਉਚੇਰੇ। ਨਹੀਂ ਅਧੋਗਤਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਪੁਚਾਵੈਂ। ਯਾਂ ਤੇ ਕਲਮਲ ਕਰਨ ਹਟਾਵੈਂ ॥19॥ ਪੰਥ ਭੂਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਹੈ ਜੋਈ। ਲਿਯੇ ਸੰਭਾਲ ਮੁਹੰਮਦ ਸੋਈ। ਨਹਿਂ ਨੀਚਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ ਅਛੇਰੀ। ਪਿਖਿ ਅਪਮਾਨ ਕਰਹਿਂ ਸਭਿ ਬੇਰੀ ॥20॥ Translation: A Sikh of mine should not have (physical) relations with a Turkni. If one has (such) sex even on a single occasion, he will become a Muslim at that very instant. The man who adopts the Hindu faith should be wary of Turknis, remaining aloof from them. That man who regrets having sexual relationships with a woman that was not his own and performs some penance for his sin, (15) the Guru will be benevolent towards that Sikh, and he will be pardoned for his sin. The Sikh who enjoys a Turkni will never be forgiven. (16) That person will become a thorough Muslim. If someone has previously had physical relationships with a Turkni in ignorance, and later becomes a Sikh, they will also be pardoned by the Guru. (17) Then the Singhs comprehended the character of the Khans. Turks hordes were ravishing Indian women. If the Sikhs took revenge [by raping in retaliation] it should be recognised as good. Why does the Guru’s instruction (note: ਗੁਰ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ implies a written code of conduct i.e. a rahitnama) prevent them [from doing this]? (18) Listen to what the Guru said on this matter: I have recognised this [Khalsa] path as an exalted one. Without base degradation assimilated within.That is why I prevent you from committing [such] sins. (19) That path which adopts Mohhamad, is one of demons.The ways of those lowly ones are not good.Observe how they commit outrages at every opportunity. (20)
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  26. we knew her to look at , my other friend was actually friendly with her and said she seemed really nice and laid back looking forward to her baby , unfortunately her ex missed her husband who ran into the house and the arrow hit her instead. standing in the kitchen
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  27. She is from Mauritius though not tamil.
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  28. was looking into starting into regular practice with lads but they're outta town so am encouraging them to take up archery and fencing if uni has clubs . The great thing is you get taught safety issues and can rent equipment until you are more decided on right fit for your style at Oakfield . First time I contacted them was to do a birthday party tryout day but they don't run things that way. They also run in national competitions . I've done birds of prey handling and care days with the kids as they grew up , little one enjoyed it so much we did a whole day of falconry up northumbria way last year. The surprising things is how they take to it like ducks to water , eldest when six was like a professional handling horses , like he'd always done it .
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  29. Do you do archery? Which bows do you have experience with? Do you recommend any from amazon?
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  30. I hear you. Where are you brother? Up north or in the midlands? I think in London it's a bit different, from what I gather from the few northern foreman I encounter on sites is that they are clearly more racist than the rest, often trying to sack bods on any pretext, not that you don't get local foreman with the same attitude. But I do notice that the younger lads are often more accepting and don't have the hang ups the older ones have. I guess we can say the same thing generationally with our lot on on a few dimensions too. But then I'm a mona so that will play a part too, but I have met one big jungly Singh on sites that no one effs with, plus he's 5hite hot with his work too.
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  31. Random post from me, but I really recommend sangat learns bow or crossbow, it will also be good for rehit!
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  32. This happened down the street from me , one of my sons friends live a few doors down , There are a fair few tamil people on that street. The school issued a letter as her kids attended the same school as my daughter ... tragic waste of life now the older kids lose both parents
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  33. There could be an examole feom Guru Gobind Singh Jis time. One is Bibi Deep Kaur, she was part of a jatha going to visit anandpur sahib. Got left behind and was attacked by 4 muslim soldiers. She fought back. Had to grapple with one as well. She won. Made it to anandour sahib. Her family wanted to disown her for having been touched by a muslim. But guruju said No she is my true daughter. Be brave and fight. Another story is that of bibi basant kaur i think. I dont know how accurate it is tho. Apparently Bibi Basant Kaur was captured by a muslim ruler. The muslim was gonna do nikah with her. She penned a letter to guruji and sent i off. It said something aling the lines of i have no choice. But i will not lose my dharam. And she used the muslims knife to stab her self to death when he came to take her to nikah. The letter reached guruji. And they say, that guruji who had never cried not at the martyrdom of his father or his sons or his mother. When he read that letter, a single tear fell down. I dont think this story is credible. But i did here it. Also there is a very good analysis of this on gurmatbibek.com. it says that during the 1700s. When singhnia were captured by mir mannu. They endured all the tortures and starvation and had their chikdren butchered and still said the day and night has passed in peace. During partition times, women were not as strong, sikhis was weaker. But women in rawalpindi which is in pakistan now (jumped in fires. All of the sikh women of that village) but on youtube there is another account. A bajurg survivor said, when it was time for the sikhs to leave. The muslims surrounded the sikh village and a badmash came out and said, we will let u leave. Just let ur daughter visit me for a few days. I will send her after u. So the bazurgs dad, he had a kirpan. Got his daughter to bow her head down. And chopped her head off. The first time wasnt a clean cut. Its a harrowing account. Listen to it on YouTube. Anyways the other sikhs followed suit. And killed their own daughters. This too in rawalpindi. So idk why there are two accounts. Anyways the point was that, sikhi wasnt that strong, but sikh women still had enough anakh to die with their dignity intact. But in 1984, sikh women were captured and raped during operation blue star and after sikhi was so weak in panjab that instead of fighting back, women became sitting ducks. To be used to lure kharkoos from hiding. As the govt targetes their families. As in everything, sikhi has no blanket rule. Every person must decide for themselves. If they r willing to pay the consequence of sin. In an extreme situation, i would be Willing to eat meat to save my life and i would be willing to pay the price of sin. I would rather commit suicide then face rape and am willing to face hell for that. I am willing to eat cyanide pill to protect my brothers in arms in a revolution so in weakness i dont condemn them and am wilking ro face Gids justice in that. See, its all personal choice. As is would u be willing to abort a child to save the moms life? Hopefully, mahrajs kirpa we neve have to face such dilemma
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  34. how about the sikh women that had to do suicide during partition to escape the muslim hordes?
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  35. Agree, suicide is not the right term in this context. I read this is when they were longing for darshan of Dashmesh pita and were willing to sacrifice themselves in order to do so and whilst being saved received a message that Guru Ji would meet them at Nagina Ghat where they had darshan of Maharaj sitting on a throne and the Panj Piyare. Another version is they were offering themselves as food to crocodiles and fish, which to me seems less believable.
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  36. Yep news to me!!
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  37. https://youtu.be/2zvY8HNF_sU
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  38. During the armed struggle of the 90s some Singh's kept cyanide capsule's. These were consumed before capture. Makes sense if they were unable to endure torture without jeopardising future missions or giving away location of others. I do wonder if in these exceptional circumstances and like ones already described there is a level of forgiveness involved so they can return not as a pret but in human form.
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  39. I would say the argument would be between 1) Never acceptable 2) Acceptable under extreme circumstances but not 3) Acceptable whenever you feel like it. #3 is what a lot of liberal people today are arguing for (you have the right to do whatever you want with your body). I would say the reason you don't commit suicide is to stay in hukum (will of God). Also, if you think you can avoid punishment of karma by killing yourself, you are mistaken, because you'll get sent into another life to get the karma punishment again, plus more for having killed yourself.
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  40. That sounds good. I know mixing them up can change the taste profile, but sometimes it's just a convenient way of getting a wider range of nutrients. Man, all this talk has got me craving gobi pakoray.
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  41. If you want to make the cheese sauce a bit special and different fry some simla peppers and onions gently (until the former are soft and the later caramelised) and throw these into the cheese sauce - it really amps up the flavour!
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  42. you could try doing this if you want bread and butter pud https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/how-make-bread-butter-pudding-third-fat
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  43. Thanks, that's a brilliant post that's got me thinking about a lot. So basically I've got to de-program and unlearn everything pertaining to this issue, that's been drummed into me since childhood as a result of being born in the West, and then re-learn it from the Eastern perspective? Oh god, lol.
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  44. Bro, there is a real straight forward explanation for this in my opinion (and I have tried to research it, so it's not just a hunch): It was the Singh Sabha lehar that changed Sikh literature in this way. If you look at pre-annexation Sikh literature, they don't have any qualms with writing about stuff that we'd find shocking today. Rattan Singh Bhangu's work is a perfect example. I believe that conservative Christian influence on many of the prominent people of the lehar (through their education in British institutes), as well the famously 'repressed' nature of Victorian society (which ruled us at the time) seeped into their psyches, and they became ashamed of a lot of what our ancestors did - and completely wrote it out of their published (and very popular) histories. That's why you have this weird whitewashed conceptualisation of our ancestors which doesn't remotely reflect the nature of our society today and contradicts so many pre-annexation sources.
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  45. This is an anglophonic translation. Every verse needs to be contextualized separately for relative understanding of the matter.
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