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N30 Singh, this Sakhi is contained in the 4th volume (the red book) second chapter. In total there are about 5 volumes and each volume contains and additional 3-4 sub-volumes. So this Sakhi and the one before it is in the 4th volume 13th sub-volume.

Maybe this is a new rule after 9/11?

This Gurmukh SIngh is the Hazuri Raagi and one of the closest companions of Baba Nand Singh Jee. His views written in his books are supported and propagated by Nanaksar. Furthermore, his books were even approved and blessed by Sant Ishar SIngh Jee successor of Baba Nand Singh Jee, both of whom many consider as the "avtars" of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee. So was the Avtar of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee wrong in approving these works?

I have translated this from Anand Chamatkar 4th volume, 13th sub-volume, and the middle of chaper 2. Anand Chamatkar is the official biography of Baba Nand Singh Jee of Nanaksar. This story is about the dealings of Sant Sujaan Singh Jee and Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee Bhindrawala. The first part of this chapter can be found on the following link. http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.ppa?act=...t=ST&f=3&t=2924 -------------------------------------------- Sant Sujan Singh Jee, who had received the priceless gift of kirtan from Baba Jee (Nand Singh Jee) left with the sangat from Amritsar to go on a Yatra to Paunta Sahib on the occasion of Hola Mahala in order to spread the fragrance of kirtan. At the time, the author was also present with Sant Jee. Sant Sujaan Singh Jee arrived at Paunta Sahib at about 2:00 am, two days before Hola Mahala. Kirtan imbued Gursikhs, Mukhi Coudhary Jeevan Singh and Sardar Atma Singh Jee Lohay-Walay had booked time for Amritvela from the Gurdwara committee at the Takht Sahib, which would correspond with Punya (full-moon). The Granthi of Takht Sahib was a vidhyarthi (student) of Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee Bhindrawala, who also happened to be staying there doing Katha. Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee found out that Sant Sujan Singh Jee would be doing kirtan early in the morning. He knew that Katha and Kirtan from any scholar would have little or no effect on the sangat after Sant Sujaan Singh Jee’s kirtan, meaning the sangat just gets up and leave. Because of this reason, Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee Bhindrawala persuaded the Granthi to cancel Sant Su jan Singh Jee’s kirtan program. But no one informed Sant Sujaan Singh Jee of this cancellation. At Amritvela, another Raagi Jatha started doing kirtan. The sevedars of Sant Sujaan Singh Jee told the Raagi Jatha “right now it is Sant Sujaan Singh Jee’s time to do kirtan” to which the Raagis replied “The Granthi Sahib has ordered us to do kirtan”. A Singh went and brought the Granthi to clear the misunderstanding. Sant Sujaan Singh Jee asked for an explanation, to which the Granthi answered “Two to three Jathas have also arrived, you will have to share time with them, and get 10-15 minutes of kirtan time. You cannot expect to have all the time to yourself”. Sant Jee replied “But the committee has promised us the time”. The Granthi responded “the committee is all asleep. They do no know anything of what goes on in here, I am in charge of the entire Darbar not them”. After hearing this from the Granthi, Sant Sujaan Singh Jee bowed in front of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee and left the Darbar. Coming outside, he said to the sangat, “Bhai, today is punya (full moon), time is running out for Amritvela kirtan. Find a quiet place where we can do kirtan and nitnem. Sant Jee began walking on the banks of the Yamuna River, where he spotted a platform that also had a roof on top. Sant Sujaan Singh Jee liked the way it looked, and ordered that the kirtan instruments be brought there. Sitting in a posture, Sant Jee started the kirtan. The sangat was instantly attracted and began sitting around him. When any Singh came to the Takht on a pilgrimage, he would just bow, but leave the Gurdwara immediately and sit in the sangat to listen to Sant Sujan Singh Jee’e kirtan. Countless sangat surrounded Sant Jee. Meanwhile the Gurdwara was empty, only the Raagis were present doing kirtan. When the committee came to the Gurdwara, they were shocked to find little or no sangat, and very little chaRawa (offerings). When they saw Sant Jee’s kirtan, they were again distressed to see the countless sangat, an d large sums of (monetary) offerings. They immediately called the Granthi and asked for an explanation. The Granthi trying to hide the true reason replied, “Two more Raagi Jathas have arrived, and they pressured me to give them kirtan time, that is why I was forced to give them some time”. The committee was furious, and scolded the Granthi saying “Granthi Jee, you are responsible for causing a huge loss for the Gurdwara”. They immediately went to Sant Sujaan Singh Jee while he was doing kirtan. There, they requested him to do kirtan in the Gurdwara Sahib by saying “Please forgive us, the Granthi acted on his own when he stopped you from doing kirtan”. Sant Sujaan Singh Jee replied “You shall not talk during Kirtan, and neither I am going to stop kirtan and leave immediately. We will discuss this matter after the kirtan is over.” The committee did as told and stayed quiet until kirtan was over. Meanwhile, Sant Sujaan Singh Jee took his time, and did as much kirtan as he desired. After the kirtan the committee came to Sant Jee and politely requested him to do kirtan at the Gurdwara, and to forgive them of what has happened in the past. Sant Sujaan Singh Jee answered “I do not mind doing kirtan at the Gurdwara, I only require to do nitnem twice a day. When someone tries to stop us, we will just leave and do our nitnem somewhere else. I have been ordained by Baba Jee (Nand Singh Jee) to feed the sangat in the form of kirtan in the presence of Guru Nanak. Guru Nanak will just arrange for my food.” “Friends, today is Punya (full-moon) tomorrow is Hola-Mahala, so please let us know of your decision. If you have given time to other Raagi Jathas and expect us to share time with them, then we will just leave and do punya kirtan separately. If you want to give us time to do kirtan, then we will start and end kirtan at midnight as we please. If you are going to interfere then tell us right now, and if you are not, then also tell us that right now.” The committee discussed this matter amongst them and came to the decision that they will not interfere with Sant Sujaan Singh Jee’s program to which Sant Jee expressed his agreement. Sant Jee started the afternoon divaan, by preparing a stage in front of the Gurdwara. The kirtran started soon after, by first reciting Rehras Sahib. By playing the “Chaan”, Sant Jee read a Shabad in Raags. Then the second Shabad was started. Dhaarna- GUR KI MURAT, MAN MAH DHIAN|| GUR KAE SHABAD, MANTAR MAN MAAN|| GUR KAE CHARN RIDHAY,LAY DHARO|| GUR PARBRAHAM, SADA MANASKARO||1||MAT KO BHARM BHULAE SANSAR|| GUR BIN KOE N UTRAS PAAR|| 1st, Praman-ANTER GURU ARADHNA, JEHVA JAP GUR NOW|| NETRI SATGUR PEKNA, SARVANI SUN’NA GUR NOW|| 2nd. PRAB KAE CHARN MANN MAHE DHIAN|| SAGAL TEERATH MAJAN ISHNAN|| 3rd. SIMAR SIMAR KATAY SAS ROGE|| CHARN DHIAN SARB SUKH BHOG 4th. GUR KE BACHAN RIDHAY DHIAN DHARI|| RASNA JAAP JAPO BANVARI|| 5th. HAR KAY CHARN, JAP JAO QURBAN|| GUR MERA PARBRAHM PARMESUR, TAKA HIRDHAE DHUR MANN DHIAN|| (like this Sant Sujaan Singh Jee did kirtan of four more shabads) By doing kirtan in his order of shabads, the sangat enjoyed kirtan rass. But why wouldn’t they have rass? The treasure of kirtan was given by Samrath Guru Jee himself. Just as a well gives fresh water, similarly no matter how much bani you read, with Baba Jee’s blessings rass is as fresh as ever. After these shabads, Sant Jee began addressing the sangat. “Concentrate on the moorti (picture, portrait) of Guru Nanak. To study the Lord, concentrate on the portrait of the Guru. Today many misinterpret bani and say that keeping of moorat (picture) is “buth prastee” (idol worship). One should concentrate on the soorat (figure) rather than moorat (portrait). But if Sahib says: GUR KI SURAT MAN MEH DHIAN|| Then what was the need to say “moorat”? But s adh-sangat, Satguru Jee has given the meaning that “one should concentrate on the moorat of the Guru”. One should also worship the lotus feet of the Guru. Only the Guru’s hukam is the mantar. Obeying the hukam is the root source. Bhai Gurdas Jee says “I am telling the truth. Until the Jagyasoo obeys these commands of the Guru, he cannot get jeevan mukhti. Jamdoots cannot see one who concentrates on the moorat. (Sri mukwak 1356-19) CHARNHAR BIND BHAJANANG, NAAM DHARNEH|| KIRTAN SADH SANGAT SANGAN NANAK NEH DHRISTANT JAM DHOOTNEH|| Even bullets cannot touch one who concentrates (on moorat). Sikhs have concentrated on Guru Nanak. When Kalgidar Patshah (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) wanted to test his shield, he aimed at it. But when Guru Jee saw the image of Guru Nanak in his mind, the gun immediately fell from his hands. Hazur (Guru Jee) said, “Can I shoot at Guru Nanak?”. When Rani Tara made a request (without saying a word), Sant Jee found out immediately in his mind. The fourth Patshah, Guru Ramdas Jee using his spiritual powers put a “kuRta” on the third Guru who was far away in Lahore. Then on his way to Goindwal, he offered a mango. During the period of the fifth Guru, a Gursikh Bibi (using her spiritual powers) arrived everyday from Kabul, where she did kar-seva till day break, and left at night. Similarly, when Dala failed after he was being tested, two Sikhs volunteered. But seeing the Sikhi sroop of the Sikhs, Guru jee put down his gun and lovingly embraced them. Sant Sujaan Singh Jee did kirtan on the occasion of Hola-Mahala and poornmashi in such as way that it cannot be described in writing. Hearing the kirtan, the sangat was brought to tears. JO HAR PRAB KA DAE SUNEHA, TIS MANN TANN APNA DEVA|| Kirtan ended at 12 midnight. At Amritvela, kirtan was again resumed and the sangat was delighted. Later, the committee gave a saropa and the kirtan offerings to Sant Sujaan Singh Jee. Seeing the kirtan offerings Sant Jee sa id “I have come here to pardon my sins from Kalgidar Patshah, which is why I cannot accept these offerings. Whenever you invite me, you can offer me anything to your discretion and I will accept it.” Saying this, Sant Jee gave back the offerings. This incident had a deep effect on both the committee and the sangat. Sant Jee was praised by all. Seeing all this praise of Sant Sujaan Singh Jee did not sit too well with Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee Bhindrawala. The reason is because for the last 2-3 days Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee Bhindrawala’s katha was stopped. Furthermore, the conspiracy that Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee hatched in order to stop Sant Sujaan Singh Jee from doing kirtan did not succeed either. Although he tried his best, running out of all options he could not succeed. SAR KUTAVLI-AISA KO NA JANMAIO JAG MAHI||PRABH PAE JAS MAD NAHI|| After some time he (Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji) did get together with Baba Ishar Singh Jee when they would attempt at convincing the committee to change the Mangla-Charan of Guru Granth Sahib, but Giani Gurbachan Singh Jee Bhindrawala also feared Baba Ishar Singh Jee. The reason is because Baba Ishar Singh Jee was the type of person who would speak very directly without any fear of consequences. Part three of his chapter coming soon.... ----------------------------- NOTE: I do not support the views of this story. I translated this from Anand Chamatkar which is the official Nanaksar biography of Baba Nand Singh Jee. I respect Sant Gurbachan Singh jee very dearly. I just translated this because it seems to be a strange story.

Balwinder Singh, Saint Ram Das was the Guru of Shiva Jee Maratha. In fact, Saint Ram Das was the secret behind Shiva Jee’s success. Before Shiva Jee, Saint Ram Das met Guru Hargobind Sahib jee while at Kashmir. Doing Sangat of Guru Jee, he was greatly influenced by the Saint Soldiers concept of Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Jee. It was this teaching that he learned from the Sixth Guru that he infused into Shiva Jee Maratha that made him into a great warrior-leader of India. Before Shiva Jee, only the Rajputs were the warrior Hindus (Kshatriya). Shiva Jee himself was not even from the Kshatiyra caste. He came from the low caste. But Saint Ram Das learning from the sixth Guru that one should not discriminate based on caste, he recruited Shiva Jee as his disciple and taught him how to be a warrior, and to fight against Mughal tyranny in the Maratha nation.

Curious Man, you shouldn’t get too angry. I’m sure Kunti Putra is just a misinformed man. He’s obviously just heard the story from one side. Best way to convince someone is through tolerance and pyaar, and lets hope one day he sees the truth and acts like a true “Kunti Putra”.

Actually Dharminder happens to be a casteist, he wanted his younger son to get married to a Punjabi Jatti of a “Sikh” background. But Bobby as a sign of rebellion against his father and traditions decided to get married to a non-Sikh, non-Punjabi/Jatti girl.

I wouldn’t say that he “converted”. He only became a Muslim to marry Hema Malini. He’s not a Muslim by conviction. Only a Muslim in name. Besides, actors don’t have any religion. Inter-religious marriages are very common amongst Indian actors.

Yeah, he had to officially convert to Islam in order to have a second wife, because Muslims are allowed to have four according to the Indian constitution.

Japman, but indian movies do portray the Sikhs as slow, dim-witted, clumsy jokers. That is insulting to all Sikhs considering that it was the Sikhs who saved the honour of large number of Indian women folk from the Muslim invaders. Instead of being grateful and thanking the Sikhs, they portray the Sikhs as idiotic jokers.

Yeah, that’s really gonna help Vedanti Jee (sarcasm). Unless Vedanti starts prachaar against them from the grass roots, nothing is going to affect the nakli gurus.

Dorothy, incase you didn’t know, we come here to learn about Sikhism, from the Sikh perspective. That’s difficult to do for young Sikh youth, when you are here determined to put doubts in their faith, with your atheist westernized views. I mean, why do you have to disprove and persecute people’s faith like the Spanish inquisition? What it comes down to is faith. Either you have it or you don’t. People who have faith in the Gurus and traditions of our forefathers are called Sikhs. People who don’t are non-Sikhs. Eastern (Indian sub-continent) culture differs from your western culture greatly. Our culture and beliefs may seem very illogical and alien to you, just as your beliefs seem alien, and to a certain degree immoral to some of us. Basically Sikhs are very protective of there faith and traditions. It’s our faith in the Gurus which helped us get through and survive the horrible Islamic, British, and Mahant persecution and distortions. Sikhs believe in the rule of “live and let live”. Even when Sikh rule was established, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus, and even European Christians lived in peace and harmony in Punjab, which was unseen at the time even in western countries. So c’mon lady, relax. Let us live and practice our faith and traditions with some tolerance.

Benjee, I understand what you are saying. But, as for the lineage of the Damdami Taksal being “unbroken” is questionable. If you mean to say that it is unbroken from the times of Sant Sundar Singh Jee, then I am in agreement. But if you mean to say that it has an unbroken lineage from the times of when Guru Gobind Singh Jee and Baba Deep Singh Jee walked the earth then I have to disagree. To find out what I am trying to say, please visit the following link: http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.ppa?act=...1035&hl=takshal It will explain my points in detail. Although I don’t know why the Admins have closed that thread, I had so much more to add. Other then the Nihangs, no ones can claim to be puraatan, but even the Rehet they(budha dal) follow is no longer the same because of things such as meat, and bhang.

It’s an end of an era. Although many people say bad things about him, I don’t think he deserves all that. He was not bad like Badal. Tohra was not a rich man unlike badal. I believe that whatever Tohra did, he did because he believed it was in the best interest of the Sikh Panth. Badal on the other hand does whatever he does to get rich and to set his son as the next Akali leader. Tohra in my opinion was alright, not a bad Sikh. He will be missed. But I cannot say the same about Badal when he passes away.

I personally think that they movie will be a disappointment. Firstly, they will have those Hindi style songs. Secondly, the movie will be made in Indian standards. I bet the movie will be a flop like Asoka (staring Shah Rukh). If they wanna make a movie about a great Indian King then they should make it with western standards. Plus, 25 crore is nothing. The movie should have atleast 50 crore spent on it. Passion of the Christ had 30 millions dollars spent on it, which is about 90 crore rupees.