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wow didnt know that, maybe if KPS Gill's henchmen targetted Khushwants family in the so called "encounters" he wont be praising him like fool like he is now.

Ak47, I think your talking about UNPO (Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation) Not UN. Khalistan will not coming into existance until some major world nations recognize its existance and borders. Please view saintsoliders and my posts why Khalistan can't come into existance in the present moment of time. But that doesnt mean it will never happen. The future is what we make it, lay the foundations and it will grow. If all Sikhs become soldiers for Khalistan and India will definately fall but the power vacuum it will leave will be filled by either China or Pakistan or other peoples who might have same anti-Sikh agenda's. Nations are born through sacrifice yes but most don't last long to their true values if they are not formed with time and care. I salute and give my full respects to the shaheeds who have laid down their lives fighting against our killers and mortal enemies. Their ultimate sacrifices won't be in vain.

Great article, Khushwant Singh's has my respect for that article but his recent rants and raves and praising of Indian terrorists with blood of innocents on their hands does nothing but reduce his credablity in my eyes and many others as I look at the posting of members of the forum.

Balwinder Singh, In a nutshell its because Sikhs dont have any political voice in the UN. The Indian PM is not for interests of Sikhs but the marjority so we can count him out as a Sikh. Plus Sikhs arent much concern to much of the world community, whereas arabs/muslims have vast numbers in UN and have on going conflict issues around the world. But do not despair brothers and sisters the future is bright our day of justice will come and the promised land will see the nishan sahib's and flags of Sikh lands flying proudly high in the sky. Best way to defeat our enemies is remaing in high spirits knowing Waheguru is with us and no matter how many times we are oppressed, taunted, tortured, or killed we grow stronger and will eventually over come our enemies like immortal lions. History will be witness to this!

Yup definately sad but I did not expect anything from this congress gandhi puppet. I think India is in a very dangerous time right now, everytime congress gets in power they always seem take dangerous actions which threatens the unity of their country....madness! Anyways I have given a reply in saintsolders to what I think of the Indian PM. The BBC employs a lot of people from Indian/Hindu background so editing is very biased in their favour and not the true or facts. But you are right we need to email the BBC in regards to its biased info concerning Sikh news. I'm gonna start a group on yahoo any one interested fighting anti-sikh info or elements are welcome to join.

I knew it was a trick by the clever Gandhi clan to use the poor puppet manmohan singh to rule by proxy. What has the current Indian PM achieved for Sikhs so far? 1) French school turban ban addressing? NOPE! 2) Punishing the guilty for the anti-Sikh genocide? NOPE! - infact his party elected the very leaders who organised the orgy of terror in 1984. I could go on and on, but I do feel sorry for the man I mean what choice does he have? If he does what is right and bringing justice to our community he will alienate the people he's in bed with. I have no doubt that people running india have links in various pro-Indian terror groups who would even kill their own PM if he did anything against their interests/agenda or policy of the governing elite. The day I saw manmohan singh, on his recent visit to the USA, standing next to President Bush acting like a little child and looking weak I knew that he was in no real position of power and in the hands of the vile gandhi's.

Taran, Most Sikhs know KPS GILL is a monster terrorist and butcher of innocent people. I personally think his time on this planet fast running out and so is for many killers and haters of Sikhs. Khushwant Singh may want to praise GILL as a hero and champion him but lets look at Khushwant Singh himself. Lets see his credentials, yes he may have written some great historical books on the Sikhs but now the drink and women he's being supplied with by the Indian govt has seduced him into the governments way of thinking. My advise to all brothers here is dont get mad just get even, and no that does not mean picking up the nearest ak-47 and go KPS GILL hunting. There are plenty of other ways to make enemies of the Sikh panth look like the evil scum they are.

Sat Sri Akal, Kudrat-Ke-Sab-Bande who are you refering to?

We have the perfect oppertunity to give our side of the story. For far to long the Indian/Hindu propaganda machine has been working over time labelling Sikhs are terrorists,etc. Therefore they were allowed to get away with genocide of over 250,000 Sikhs after influence the worlds media to their way of thinking. shaven / sahejdhari Sikhs have an important role to play in bridging the communication gap that alienates most westerners from the cause and sufferings of the Sikhs.

Khuswant Singh is nothing more than a womaniser and a drunkard a real loser. Far from being a Sikh, so his rants and raves about Sant Bhindranwale and praising of Gill doesnt and shouldnt really mean much or concern us.

If there is going to be any armed liberation it needs the right timing and scenerio in relation to geo-political issues. Neither which is present at this moment of history. We have to remember that there are various political moments within Pakistan and Indian Union who want freedom from the central ruling power base. Only a united front of freedom seeking peoples can break these entities of India and Pakistan therefore providing Sikhs an oppertunity to recalim the whole of Punjab(Khalistan), the homeland. The peaceful way to get more power and control over Sikh affairs is to work within the system or infiltrate it and use their methods of suggesting what should be done or not. At the moment Sikhs are very weak force in Indian politics, the current PM is nothing more than a puppet of Sonia Gandhi i'm suprised she hasnt got her hand stuck up his backside permenantly. For Sikhs to yield influence they must use the tactics of their enemies and out smart them in strategies not relying or resorting to manpower or braun to achieve things.

So many people have downloaded it that the website hosting it is fast approaching the bandwidth limit. If you get the message file not available or bandwidth exceeded please be patient as the full longer version will be done in a couple of weeks and upload. The quality will be much better dont worry this was just a test preview version.

I read in a book written by Mark tully about an account of how Sikh children were cut up from the belly to the neck by the hindu/congress mobs before the eyes of their fathers and mothers who in turn were brutally slayed or women folk raped by the devils. The only lesson Sikhs have been taught since 1984, 20 years on, is that justice can not be done through the Indian legal system therefore it becomes our duty to bring justice to those innocent Sikh brothers and sisters who lost their lives in such terror and distress. Seems like all peaceful means to achieve justice are fast been exhausted.

Thank you all for taking your time to download and view. I will take your comments on board and work on it more. But might take some time due to other commitments. :TH: Waheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Ji Ke Fateh!

Sat Sri Akal, I have made a short video clip regarding 1984 and features clips of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, Shaheeds, Golden Temple,etc. The quality had to be reduced and playback might be distorted because of compression codecs used plus the website only allows max of 10mb upload file size. Apart from all that I think you will get a decent working clip. This is just a test version I will be working on this and more soon. Please give me your comments after viewing. Download Clip here to download and save the clip right click on link and chose "Save As Target" Thanks

Khalsa04, Good start....needs some work though. Make your vocals more deeper tone use chorus or sample rate to change the sound. Background track was ok...but chose your tracks to suit the style of the rap. Besides that its cool :wub:

We should all be grateful to these great people and remember the shaheeds who gave up and risked everything for the panth. These are the real Sikhs when push comes to shove they are not afraid to fight the terror machine.

Could be the case, Jungles / forests did prove to be the Khalsa's safe haven in the past. But times change and so does warfare (eg..equipment, battlefield environment, geo-political considerations, tactics,etc). But the best days for the establishment of Khalistan are ahead....the future is what we make it!

Looking back at history and looking at the modern world, I have come to the conclusion that the armed stuggle to establish / liberate Khalistan failed and will continue to fail because: 1) The Sikh seperatists adhere to the faith and rules of warfare (targetting only the Indian terror machine - army, police, combatants only, murderers of Sikhs). 2) The ability to camouflage or go undercover is very important in any conflict. In previous conflicts (pre-1947) Sikhs historically could mix with local populas who dressed relatively the same, looked the same in the region of the Indian subcontinent. The lines of dress code between Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus werent too different from each other. But in modern warfare Sikhs are like walking targets, highly visible and standing out from the crowd in the current conflict area. 3) The accuirement of heavy and powerful arms. Lets put it this way: "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." - Samuel P. Huntington The only solution is for a peaceful Khalistan movement, sure defend against state terror by taking up arms but never take an aggressive stance because if we wanted a fast and easy victory we as global community could have used maximum force grab a n-bomb, kill, etc without conscience or care. We would then cease being Sikhs thus no point in a Khalistan, or Soveriegn Sikh State. Just like Tibetan Buddhists if they take up arms and start to engage with China in the way China has engaged with them in their land. The Tibetans would cease being Buddhis ts and become trapped in the life of conflict without spiritual escape. As we see in Iraq and India these mass terror tactics are usually adopted by various non-spiritual people - atheists, govt armies and paramilitaries, and Islamists /Jihadis.

Khalsa04, Great lyrics again bro, but I can't mentally picture it being Mc'ed or rapped. Have you found anyone whose gonna do it and mix,edit,etc. I might be able to help you out with the digital video aspect once i've got the mp3.

SSA, Khalsa04 bro your lyrics sound very interesting. I'm currently helping some ppl on Hip hop style Khalistan videos, which will be released soon. If you can record your vocals on .mp3 I'll try and sample it to some beats. But get in touch with the krew at www.shaheedi.com they are pro's at the music end of things. WJKK, WJKF

Very sad news.....I have great respect and admiration of his personality and achievements. May his soul be blessed with eternal peace and happiness.

Ok guys pack you bags and move over to UK you want be drafted here at least for the fore-seeable future you won't :T: I think its disgusting personally, because if you dont support a military conflict / war why should you be forced to contribute towards it? it does not make sense. This current "war against terror" is unwinable at least with the tactics the Bush administration uses. This war was started with the interests of Israel and securing oil reserves at the very centre. So only the people who support or fund conlifcts should be FORCED to provide active military duty.

Daily Times Pakistan EDITORIAL: Nankana incident is unforgivable! A mob at Nankana Sahib, district Sheikhupura, has stoned the temple dedicated to the founder of Sikhism and created general disorder because the local administration showed a most abysmal disregard for the extent of damage the incident would cause to the prestige of the country and its minorities policy. A group of city hoodlums first attacked a local college whose land and building belongs to the Nankana Sahib Trust and declared that they would destroy it rather than give it back to the Sikhs. Unfortunately, 150 boys from the college joined them, after which they stormed the Gurudwara and stoned the inner sanctum. The Sheikhupura police DIG reached the spot and tried to look efficient but was unable to prevent the outrage. The fact is that the college building belongs to the Gurudwara estate and was being used by the college because of the generosity of the estate. Also, no one had actually asked the college to evacuate. According to reports, a committee set up by the Punjab government had recommended that the college building be restored to the Gurudwara to house the increased number of Sikh devotees visiting from all over the world. The committee had also specifically recommended that the college be given alternative land and building site before being evacuated. Despite that, a plot was hatched in the city by some local elements to exploit the unannounced recommendations of the committee and take out a violent procession in the name of religion. It is a sad commentary on the college that its teaching has not divested its students of religious prejudice and that the college staff has failed to inculcate in them the emotion of gratitude towards the Gurudwara which was due to it. The Nankana Sahib estate is actually a symbol of Muslim-Sikh solidarity. In 1994, the foundation stone of Nankana Sahib Foundation was laid by Rai Bashir Ahmad Khan Bhatti, a member of the National Assembly and chairman of the Standing Committee on Education. Mr Bhatti is the oldest living descendent of Chaudhry Rai Bular Bhatti, a contemporary of Guru Nanak, who recognised that the Guru was a divine soul. Over the last five hundred years, the Bhatti family has donated almost 11,000 acres of its land to the Sikh religious shrines in and around Nankana Sahib. The 1994 foundation, built over 10 acres of land, was donated by Chaudhry Rai Sarwar Bhatti, also a direct descendent of Rai Bular Bhatti. The entire Nankana Sahib Estate consists of 16,962 acres. Most of it is leased to the farmers and residents of Nankana Sahib. Almost all the houses in Nankana Sahib are built on this property. The Nankana Sahib Estate is the property of the Nankana Sahib Gurudwara (Gurudwara Janam Asthan). It cannot be sold to anyone. About 40,000 people who live in Nankana Sahib should actually be beholden to the Sikh community in Pakistan which allows them to hold the property in perpetuity. The Evacuee Trust Board in the province is aware of the situation in Nankana Sahib but perhaps the administration is not alive to the sensitivity of what has taken place there this week. Chief Minister Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi should take action immediately, punish those who have incited the students, and additionally take measures to remove the plaints of the Sikh community in relation to the shrine celebrating the birthplace of their great spiritual guide. Hardship faced by the Sikh devotees who visit the place should be kept in view because Sikh yatrees come from all over the world and carry back impressions of Pakistan that contribute to the world opinion about us. At the very least, Nankana should be treated as a component of our public-rela tioning. We must never forget the fate of the Taliban of Afghanistan after they destroyed the heritage of another faith. In some countries in Southeast Asia, Muslims were attacked in the aftermath of the destruction of the Bamyan Buddhas. Pictures appearing in our press of protesting Sikhs at Lahore Press Club — with their hands joined in supplication — do more damage to Pakistan than a lost war. We hope that Chief Minister Chaudhry Pervez Elahi will take immediate action to restore the credibility of his government as well as that of Pakistan. * ===================================== Students threaten another attack on temple * No case registered for attack on temple * Police presence increased in Nankana Sahib By Anjum Gill and Shahnawaz Khan LAHORE: Nankana City police station had not registered a case by Sunday night against the mob that attacked Gurudwara Janam Asthan in Nankana Sahib on Saturday. An angry mob of citizens and students attacked the temple, one of the holiest in Sikhism, on Saturday morning in protest against a committee’s recommendation that the Punjab government return the Government Guru Nanak Degree College building to the Nankana Sahib trust to accommodate Sikh pilgrims. The mob first attacked the college and then stormed the temple and threw stones at it. A constable at Nankana city police station told Daily Times that neither the gurudwara nor the college authorities had so far approached the police to register a complaint. He said the district police officer of Sheikhupura, Saqlain Naqvi, visited the area on Sunday. Kalyan Singh of Sikh Sangat Pakistan said the Punjab inspector general (IG) of police, Sadat Ullah Khan, district government representatives, the nazim, naib nazim, and local members of the national and provincial assemblies visited the temple on Sunday and stayed there the whole day. “Things are under control,” he said, “We are satisfied. But there are some miscreants who want to tarnish the Pakistan-India t alks. The attack was the first of its kind in the history of Pakistan,” Kalyan Singh said. He said community leaders would sit together at Nankana Sahib on Monday morning and nominate people to the police for the registration of a case. IG Khan, in a handout, said the issue of the Nankana college had been resolved amicably, but “the possibility of involvement of some hidden hand in the incident is being explored”. However, Gulab Singh, another member of Sikh Sangat Pakistan, was not satisfied with the security arrangements made by police. “They sent only 200 men there last night while yesterday they promised that 500 policemen would be sent to Nankana Sahib to protect the Gurudawara Janam Asthan and the properties of Sikhs. “We are facing a serious problem there. The students have given a call to all the students in the district and have threatened to attack again,” Gulab Singh said. Meanwhile, a government handout said the Punjab chief minister, Pervaiz Elahi, had taken strict notice of the incident in Nankana and directed the IG to investigate immediately. He has also ordered stern action against the attackers. The chief minister warned that those who took the law into their hands on the issue of Nankana College would be dealt with sternly. He said the government considered the safety of all minorities, including Sikhs, and protecting the sanctity of their sites of worship a prime responsibility and would do its duty. Mr Elahi directed the police to punish those directly involved in the “deplorable act” as well as those who instigated them. ************************************ End of news stories ==================================================================== Ok the muslims in that locality should realise who they are messing with. Because if they want Khalistan forces based around there to turn against Pakistan and muslims then they will have made a very big mistake targetting Sikhs and one of our holiest shrines like that. I heard that some Sikh brothers were hurt very badly by the mob getting slapped around and abused. Doesnt look good for pakistan right now. If they wanted to recruit armed anti-pakistan and anti-muslim Sikhs they cant have done a better job than committing acts like these. However as the editor of Daily Times shows....some people in Pakistan do have some intelligence and talk absolute sense while their indian counterparts just report what the govt propaganda feeds them.

theturbanator, thanks bro for the very rare and wonderful photo good job :TH: Back to the topic ....... I agree we should not treat the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji like an idol. Treat it with respect above everything but at the end of the day the knowledage and teachings contained within it are more valuable than its physicality. Besides copies of SGGS ji are available on the internet in word document files so technology is in a way forcing the hand to modernism and stir clear of reverting to hindu style worship of objects.