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Yes i have noticed this many people come into Darbar after Matha tekh, their bums hardly touch the floor to sit down and they are off to the langar hall, but then at least they have come there are many so clled sikhs who dont even come to bow before Maharaj SGGS ji how unfortunate are they :waheguru:

Good idea, signed.

can we stop using the term satgur as it should only be used to refer to Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind singh and SGGS ji please this is not a site for kachchai pilay !!

Emirates is quick to take our money, they dont say no then do they or no thanks we dont like you money because you wear a turban or you are a sikh , typical there principles go out the window when it comes to money!! Sikhs should stop flying with these airlines

Aps mann is an arrogant person he wont apologise best way is stop supporting sangat tv financially then the trustees will have to think why ? I have seen their dirty tactics in the way they cut out representatives of other channels when they air Smagams etc and i spoke to mann about this, his attitude was if you dont want to support us fine, so guess what i dont ! :biggrin2: And if you notice some of their presenters have jumped ship to Akaal channel like Ranjit Singh Rana and the other guy Sangha i think his name is, i wonder why ??

If that is a picture of Aps Mann smoking then the members of sangat trust which i think includes Bhai Mohinder Singh of Nishkam Sewak Jatha Soho road Gurdwara and Joga Singh etc need to think again unless he has changed his ways as this is not what a sikhi media channel manager should be.

well its about time the committees started spending our money on us rather than putting it towards their next mercedes or business, if it brings more people into the Gurdwara and is not against Gurmat then there is always hope that someone may come closer to sikhi and all this because they came for chips ans pizza :biggrin2:

No one is hating anyone and people need to stop twisting others words and also as i said previously stop making excuses for the kookas, if anything why are they hating our way of sikhi to start their own, do you not think for one minute that Brahmgianis like Bhai Mani Singh, Baba Deep Singh and Baba Banda Singh Bahadur could have been made the next Guru by Guru Gobind Singh JI if they wanted to continue a dehtari Guru and do you not think that these mahapurkhs would not have known if Maharaj had proclaimed any other human as Guru After themselves, people need to get their heads out the sand and start using logic and stop trying to convince true loyal amritdhari Gursikhs of SGGS JI that its all ok because a group sings shabads but lets ignore the dehtari guru part, get real we are not interested so stop trying to sell us a dead horse! Some of us have allegiance to SGGS ji only and will live and die according to SGGS ji and the orders left to us by Guru Gobind Singh JI that sab sikhian ko hukam hai Guru manyeo Granth !!

if they are singing the praises of the guru then it has to be their deh tari guru it can not be SGGS JI otherwise why have a deh tari guru in the first place ?, also we need to stop making excuses for the kookas they are what they are devotees of a deh tari guru full stop. They are not part of the khalsa panth who has only allegiance to SGGS JI the jyot of the ten Gurus.

You are correct why the hell people have to fool around with our history !!! and some one should tell the museum at Bangla sahib because they are claiming it to be our leaders photo, typical our own so called experts know nothing, no wonder no one takes them seriously, if i ever have the fortune to go to Bangla sahib again, i certainly will pull this one out of my pocket. Its weird but the guy who was suppossed to be Hari Singh Nalwa ji does not look how i pictured them in my mind and plus the turbans dont look so grand so it all makes sense now, thank you veer for removing this false picture from my mind :biggrin2: http://www.khalsabook.com/forum/topics/lost-sikh-empire http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sher_Ali_Khan_and_company_of_Afghanistan_in_1869.jpg links above if anyone else wishes to compare.

any idea why it is being shown as them at Bangla sahib museum then (not doubting you veer but curious as per lowly manmukh budhi ) also and reports/ info you have to confirm this.

It is quite simple this person is consumed by the fire of homai (ego), Gurbani warns us about it constantly and here is prime example, he will leave the world with nothing as stated in Twaprasad savaiye which we read ever morning, mountains can move but full of pride and ego they will not be moved !! so until the veil is not removed sadly this person will not do shukrana for what he has recieved but believes it is all his own doing, world is full of these types, which is all due to maya give then wealth etc so they forget waheguru ji unless they have gian about this and rise above it.

I agree with n30singh and luckysingh, and sympathise with savinderpalsingh his reaction to slap this fool is understandable due to him (sp) being a young khalsa and the hot blood of youth (ahh i remember it well ). Its seems the guilt of breaking his Rehat and dishonouring Amrit is manifesting its self in his behaviour and a polite talk once sober may even help to put him back on track however slight that chance maybe. Seems Savinderpalsingh you have been blessed by Guru ji to try and bring someone back onto the path depends how you handle it now, but anger and frustration is not the way.

Aps maan and sangat tv are now getting desperate to get financial support, before they gave the so called Ravidassis a lot of air time but that seems to have fizzled and now kooka community. Aps maan himself is a trim singh so what do you expect, irrespective of how much kirtan the kookas do they break the main rule of sikhi as defined by the Akaal takht, they worship a deh tari (bodily) guru and do not acknowledge SGGS JI as the everlasting holder of Guru Nanaks ji's jyot, they maybe be good people and i am not against them but to say they are sikhs of SGGS JI is incorrect, they are the sikhs of there deh tari guru. Until they do not acknowledge SGGS JI as the only Guru they can not be part of the Khalsa panth (main reason why the can not be part of the panth) also they do Amrit sanchar differently with men saying Wjkk Wjkf and women saying bole so nihal when receiving amrit ? and marriages with havans and other ceremonies which SGGS ji's Sikhs do not. but their is no reason to hate them live and let live, we can be one and should welcome them back with open arms but not until they have allegiance to SGGS JI only and no other and then retake amrit as per Akaal Takht maryada and keep Rehat accordingly .

http://www.khalsabook.com/forum/topics/lost-sikh-empire This is believed to be a pictiure of Maharaja Ranjit Singh and Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa, not sure if genuine, Maharaja Ranjit Singh is sitting down and Hari Singh Nalwa ji is standing up, I have also seen this picture myself at Gurdwara Bangla Sahib Delhi in their Sikh Museum. Please note as jonny veer as pointed out this is actually not them but some pathans see my next post

Sarbat Khalsa ji nu lakh lakh vadiyaan hove, Dhan Dhan Shri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji miri piri de malik !!! But Khalsa ji dont forget our saheeds Singhs, bibiyan, matama, and children who were being slaughtered / raped in delhi and other places in india over these days in 1984. Sorry to put a downer on our celebrations but this is our truth. Wjkk Wjkf !

Lol post are getting more and more ridiculous, a girl is coming and going to her maybe husbands place at all hours of the day and night and it is being compared to Dhan Guru Nanak ji leaving his family for the udasis, are you for real !!!!!

What a load of tosh, so according to you she has detached from her family hence her behaviour, but she has only detached from one thing and attached to another, i thing Gurbani tells us to attach to the supreme vaheguru ji, whilst being in the midst of maya not substitute your family for another person, but be with all of them. I am not surprised you being a girl agree with this persons behaviour and when she falls flat on her face who picks up the pieces the poor family !! Seems the dont need to be sold in bazzars of gujni now, they give it away free!! :no:

Usually its because the husband is a drinker etc and wrapped up in worldly pleasures, that the wife feels he will stop her and he will never take amrit with her, or the wife is also wrapped up in similar worldly pleasure fashion / beauty etc and the husband feels she will never be ready to join him, so they go alone, unless the individual is already living a life close to amritdhari rehit way, then its pretty hard to hide this, for example my self, i could not have come home wearing a pagh , stopped eating meat/drinking etc,waking up at amritvela etc, growing my beard and my wife not noticing. But hey she may not have, should have tried it :lol2:

Agiani man ros karaai. This is not happening because you said some horrible words against Guru ji and he is punishing you, if you have apologised sincerely then he has forgiven you, but this is pana (will), did the Guru Sahib ji's themselves not suffer physical and mental hardships ?? 5,8.9, Guru ji's tortured, illness. beheaded !!!!!!!! 10th Lord, Gave his father in childhood, his mother and four sons!!! And you say they are punishing you !!, i feel for you and wish you well and can not even begin to understand your pain, but look at Guru ji's examples of accepting will / pana of vaheguru ji and try to follow instead of saying more and more negative things about God and making your situation worse. A person who has no knowledge of brahmgian (me included),vaheguru and his wonderous play blames him for his own short comings. Bow before SGGS JI tell maharaj this is all due to your own fault ask for mercy and if not good health again then the bal (strength) to accept this, otherwise their is nothing else you can do as cursing God will not even touch him, so you are wasting precious time in futile slander, but the choice is yours. The way i see it is this, he is making you realise that he controls not you so come into his sanctuary because their is nothing or no one else (as you have already found out) so what are you waiting for!!! Sukh rog, Dukh daru. Happiness is an illness as one forgets vaheguru ji, but unhappiness is a medicine/cure because we remember vaheguru ji sincerely then !!

Very sad, i never actually had the privilege of their darshan or Sant ji's but the loss of such mahapurkhs for us sansari jeev's is big. At a personal level they were my mother in laws mama and mami ji so double sad/loss. :sad2: :respect:.

Just an update i have heard nothing from sikh channel or veer Kam Singh , i dont think he has had my messages as the call centre staff at sikh channel dont sound like the brightest sparks around, anyway i will pursue this on a personal / member of the public level rather than guns blazing got this person or that organisation behind me mentality, so if anyone else wishes to do the same, i will leave it up to them. As for sikh channel over the last few months, i have drawn my own conclusions as to what their agenda is, while i will not entirely say negative things about them neither will i say positive things, i was correct in my opinion to withdraw my financial support for them a couple of years ago, as they dont seem to listen to the ordinary sikh and their mentality is slowly becoming Gurdwara committee type and chowdry type. although the ceo may have the right intentions there are some in his organization who have not.

2/10/ 2013 ?? you mean 2/11/2013 dont you ??

Basically if you want to eat non halal buy organic which costs more hence more profit for supermarkets etc. which to quite be honest from what i can remember when i ate meat, organic and non tastes no different and is just a con. Simple stop eating meat and then who care where it comes from !!

Doesnt surprise me apne are the biggest spoons around !!. I have left a message with Sikh channel for Kam Singh to get in touch but have heard nothing so far, if we can get a recording of the show, this can also be sent to the tory/council that way she can not deny her action plus she has added fuel to the fire with her email comments to my self regarding her anti sikh views. Unfortunately i am having no help from sikh channel, the call centre staff are very vague and just want to put the phone down, their is no one around to talk to and again, i have left a message for Kam Singh to contact me again today, I asked for a copy of the show a cd to be sent to me and again very vaguely the reply was we will try and sort something out, without concrete evidence one can not start making complaints to official departments willy nilly !!, if anyone wants to make a personal complaint via a personal email they can do so, this maybe the route i will persue but we will have to wait and see. Sikh channel should also be pursuing this as it is exactly this sort of person who complains about them to ofcom which then results in them getting huge fines (sangats money) and once i can speak to someone their i will ask this question.