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What like the Khalistan Government in Exile newsletter (assuming it is still published) ? I think if you search hard enough on the amnesty international site you will also see they condemn the militants for excesses committed ! In fact many would say acts of terrorism

Come on give us some trade figures. The amounts of trade is minuscule. India has no leverage in the relationship. It is not like the US and how it can influence countries at the UN etc to vote in its favour. India just does not have influence over any other country apart from say the Maldive Islands.

You cant. The SGPC claims the right to settle such matters even though it is just a glorified management committee.

Thank you for providing the link. It has really inspired me. I am now a changed person. Next time I hear about some gangster kidnapping a Punjabi child I will try and contact the police in India to tell them not to hurt anyone who may be withholding information which may lead to the child being saved. We cant be violating such peoples rights by giving them a few slaps and punches now can we ?

Call a Sarbat Khalsa, select someone fit to hold the post of Akal Takht Jathedar and frame rules covering this process for the future and then actually work on getting a final version of the Rehat Maryada published.

Just cheap publicity for Bal Tackery. During the 1980s he used to say how he would come to Punjab and sort out the trouble makers. All mouth he did not have the bottle to leave mumbai.

No not really a lot of his followers left the dera after he was shot.

The so called Rehat Maryada was issued in draft form by the SGPC, it has been in this state for many decades. Is it so wrong to think it is time for a final version to be issued.

Darshan Dass was a twat who set up a dera in birmingham. He was caught going to pubs late at night after his dera shut shop. He was in india during the 84 riots and cut his hair to escape.

He is the PM of India not of France. The French do not give two hoots about what he has to say. Its not as if France are dependent on aid from India.

People I spoke with said they were Pathan Siksh and they did speak pushto. They more than likely converted hundreds of years ago.

:TH: Fantastic picture.

Again in the hypothetical situation above, the 'bihari gang(this word itself is derogatory to bihar's peoples ) is at fault. The Sikhs of Punjab were and are innocent So lower caste hindus are not targets ? Come on give some recent examples of Sikhs being targetted and prove that the same abuses do not happen to hindu prisoners. Just as all biharis are not the same all Sikhs are not the same and just like bihari gangs there were Sikh gangs who indulge in anti social activity which sometimes requires a few slaps and punches. Whats your opinion on the story below. I know Banta was a bad person but did that warrant the abuse of the very fundemental right to life of those who wanted to vote/ back him ? 12 years on, militant held, but terror remains Jupinderjit Singh and Mahesh Sharma Ghaloti (Mandi Ahemdgarh) August 16 The recent arrest of a dreaded terrorist, accused of killing 50 persons during the terrorism era, by the Fathehgarh Sahib police after 12 years has once again highlighted the sense of loss, fear and helplessness of two of his victims’ families in Ghaloti and Kalihans villages. While one family refused to talk to TNS, the other was more forthcoming but questioned the delay in the arrest. The accused, Harnek Singh, alias Bhapp, was one of the prominent activists of the Khalistan Liberation Force (KLF) and was arrested on Saturday, almost 12 years after the gory incident in which four members of two families of these villages were shot dead by two armed groups of the outfit. Their fault was that they had dared to participate in the elections in the state, much to the chagrin of the militants. While they are happy that the accused has been finally arrested, they fear that some of his accomplices, who are still at large, might harm them. Family members are also apprehensive about police harassment and the rounds of courts they will have to make now for pursuing the case. On December 30, 1992, Surjit Singh Ghaloti, a former Sarpanch of Ghaloti village, Balwinder Singh, the then Sarpanch of Kilahans village, his brother Rajpaul Singh, a Food and Supplies Inspector, and their father Surjeet Singh, were gunned down by a militant group allegedly headed by Bhapp. Bhapp had allegedly formed two parties to strike at the same time in two villages. The families had actively participated in the elections and were helping the late Beant Singh. However, 12 years on, the fear of militants has not gone. Relatives of the three persons killed in Kilahans village were not willing to comment on the arrest of the accused. “We have suffered a lot. Stay away. We don't want more trouble,” said Jagwinder Singh, a relative of the three victims. Rajinder Kaur, aged widow of another victim, Surjit Singh, a former sarpanch of Ghaloti village, was forthcoming in sharing her feelings. Demanding stringent punishment for the accused, she revealed the sequence of events. She said on December 30, 1992, four militants had come to their home at around 6.30 pm and two of them insisted on seeing her husband Surjit Singh, who was in his room. When she insisted to accompany them, they pushed her out. Immediately afterwards, she heard bullet shots and the militants fled. She rushed in to see her husband lying in a pool of blood. The tragedy was not over. A few minutes later, she received a telephone call from her relatives in Kilahans village that militants had killed Balwinder, Rajpaul and Surjit. Bhapp claimed the next day that he had gunned them down to teach anti-militants a lesson. The Ghaloti family was offered the party ticket for the Assembly elections, but it refused. One of Ghaloti’s sons, Kulwinder Singh, was appointed as an ASI in the Punjab police. However, tragedy again struck three years ago when he lost both his legs in an accident and is confined to bed since then. Another son, Paramjit, died three months earlier and Surjit's father, Sadhu Singh, who was elected Sarpanch, died nine months ago. Rajinder Kaur is passing her days taking care of her aged mother-in-law, Darbar Kaur, who is still shell-shocked and rarely speaks to anyone. ‘‘No punishment to the killers will bring the happy times back’’ says Rajinder Kaur. She resents that the Congress did not take care of both the families after the death of Beant Singh. ‘‘No one has bothered for us,’’ she said, urging the party high command to do something for t hem. She said the Kilahans family, which had paid the heaviest price for its friendship with the late Beant Singh, should have been compensated. Even the widow of Rajpal Singh was not given a job on compassionate grounds.

Sometimes beating works wonder and beat the <admin-profanity filter activated> out of innocent people which agian goes against teachigns of Guru GObind SIngh ji - and i'm saying this because - :T: No IDEA actually - cau se it's not liek u casre anyways :lol: @ there are ALWAYS other tactics! if the 'plolices' refuse to accept it UNTIl they are put on fire - how do you know they didn't do it to prevent being lit on fire- but were actually innocent people- who weren't trusted? p.s I suggest you work harder on hiding who you are :wub: "again as for wiring genitals to an electric generator - HAS BEEN DONE" Yes it has and thats why I said such methods were human rights abuses ! Please read posts carefully before posting. if the 'plolices' refuse to accept it UNTIl they are put on fire - how do you know they didn't do it to prevent being lit on fire- but were actually innocent people- who weren't trusted? Turned out they were kale kache wale they told everything about how a thanedar dropped them off in villages at night and collected them again after a nights work.! So the threat of fire and the beatings worked wonders. If they had not been beaten and threatened no one would have known. Politically correct people like you would have said uhhh lets give them lots of food and a tractor with trolley to loot the pind and lock them in room with all the pinds women. I for one approve of such action by the villagers even if it violated the rights of the thieves. p.s I suggest you work harder on hiding who you are :D Please can you elaborate. Also can you prove that only Sikhs are targetted using such methods ? I know of Hindus from our village who were on the rob and had a good beating, soon stopped their lives as criminals. Maybe they were beaten because they were Hindus

Go on give some recent cases to prove it is still going on ! I mean proper torture not a few slaps/ punches. Also give some proof that it only occurs in Punjab so you can justify this Sikh slant being given to the whole issue. I REPEAT AGAIN IT HAPPENS ALL OVER INDIA NOT JUST IN PUNJAB ! I bet if one of your kids/relatives was kidnapped by a bihari gang you would not think twice about allowing the police to use such techniques to find out where the biharis were !

Good job he was not wearing one of them medallion kirpans round his neck.

Most people caught by India police get a beating regardless of whether they are Sikh, Hindu, Muslim or a member of any other faith ! I am not justifying human rights abuses but in some cases a good beating can be a very good method to extract information. I know of a case where some punjabi villagers caught some unknown men wondering in the village at night. These men were given a severe thrashing but still refused to talk so the villagers lit a fire and threatened to burn them alive. This fire soon got them to talk and they admitted that they worked for the police who dropped them off every night to undertake robberies. Veer ji - you ARE JUSTIFYING the HUman Rights abuses :wub: AS for getting a beating by the police- u jus said - please make up ur mind sir! Also - SOGGS ji showed u a few even more current examples! bhull chukk maaf Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Read my story again the men were beaten by villagers to extract information. So what difference does it make if the police do the same ? It is not even a Sikh issue most state police forces in India are known to employ such techniques to gather information. A few punches and slaps in my view is not what I would say is a human rights abuse it is just a useful method of extracting information. We obviously have different views and perceptions of what we think are human rights abuses. Yes killing people in fake encounters is a human rights abuse. Extracting informaiton by wiring genitals to an electric generator is a human rights abuse. I know of cases where young children have been kidnapped and it was only down to a good beating to people (who knew the accused) that the child and kidnapper were found. Certain politically correct people would have said oooooh dont hit him uhhhhhh we can give him ice cream and tandoori chicken to get him to talk. Sometimes a beating works wonders and can lead to saving the life of a innocent people. :D

Most people caught by India police get a beating regardless of whether they are Sikh, Hindu, Muslim or a member of any other faith ! I am not justifying human rights abuses but in some cases a good beating can be a very good method to extract information. I know of a case where some punjabi villagers caught some unknown men wondering in the village at night. These men were given a severe thrashing but still refused to talk so the villagers lit a fire and threatened to burn them alive. This fire soon got them to talk and they admitted that they worked for the police who dropped them off every night to undertake robberies.

How is the capture of these 3 linked to human rights abuses continuing in Punjab ? Have they been killed in a fake encounter we do not yet know about ? Arresting someone is not a sure sign of human rights abuse !

No I do not think so. People should be selected on merit and not just becasue they belong to a certain so called caste. This goes against the teachings of our Guru and should be stopped. It really does nothing for uplift. It actually restricts democracy as people are stopped from standing and representing the people. By allowing these reservation seats the SGPC is going against the teachings of our Guru.

What are your views based on ? I have travelled to vaious parts of India and never felt this hate in a country you describe as being full of Sikh haters. :T:

Equal status for all without any reservation based on the caste system (which is against the teachings of our Guru) in any Sikh elections. The SGPC has reservation seats for certain castes.

Thanks for sharing that reply with us. Please do respond and ask them again on what methods they use to preserve items they already have. :TH:

Who is this Dr Rajwant Singh and who gave him the authority to tell Sikhs attending the event, to wear Kirpans on medallions rather than proper Kirpans ? :wub: @ World Sikh Council says no to White House invitation Tribune News Service Chandigarh, August 16 The World Sikh Council — American region — invited to White House on August 18 to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the installation of Guru Granth Sahib has declined to attend the ceremonies over the issue of wearing of ''kirpan'' by the participants. The secretary-general, Dr Tarunjit Singh, in a fax message to The Tribune today has said that the council ''appreciates'' the sentiments of the White House executive branch to recognise such a historic event in the Sikh faith but would rather not attend the function as it involved ''compromising'' the principles of the very faith that the Sikhs professed. The message states that in a conversation over the telephone, a White House staffer had said that due to ''security risk'' no Sikh wearing the ''kirpan'' would be allowed entry and he has to remove the same. The council, on its part, explained to the staffer the significance of the ''kirpan'' and that asking a Sikh to remove it was not only ''offensive'' but was to deny him ''legitimate right'' to practice his faith. ''Kirpan'' is one of the five symbols, articles of faith, required to be worn by all formally ''initiated Sikhs''. The fax message also said that the White House staffer was duly concerned and explained that Dr Rajwant Singh, as organiser of the event, would be calling the invited guests—the Sikhs—that they wear a ''medallion'' with a small ''kirpan'' image in it instead of their usual ''kirpan''. The council, however, reiterated its objection to the staffer and asked if there was any other option, to which she said it was not possible due to the short time-frame. However, she suggested that the issue be discussed and resolved to avoid such a situation in future. The World Sikh Council is a representative body of 28 gurdwaras and eight Sikh institutions across the nation there.

The so called SGPC Rehat Maryada is in draft form and has never been finalised. As for the Akal Takht redrafting it. As I have mentioned before we need to get a real Jathedar in to get this great institution functioning correctly again. We currently have a Giani in charge and in my opinion we need someone else to take charge. Again as I have mentioned before a car tyre on a tractor can only take the tractor so far and another example, a doctor cannot do the job of an optician (although he may be able to get away with it for a few days). :wub: )