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As I said before jgill, tell us the difference meaning of these two terms as described in Gurbani. Also you keep going on about being a Truesikh. Tell us the difference between being a Sikh and a Truesikh as described in Gurbani. There is no difference between any of these terms. They are just all one in the same, but to stress the meaning of Sikh Guru Sahib would put Gur or True infront of it. Sikh is stressed in some of the shabads because Guru Sahib wanted to show you must follow all the teachings laid down by the Shabad Guru and then consider yourself a Sikh. If you look at history and see who was the first Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev ji the name Bhai Lehna ji would come up. What did Bhai Lehna ji do to become a Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev ji? He followed everything and I mean everything Guru Nanak Dev ji told him to do. We all have heard the Sakhi and how Guru Nanak Dev ji's sons would disobey him. Now if you disobey Guru Nanak Dev ji would you really be considered Sikh of the Guru. Sikh of the Guru follows his Guru's word 100% and if you don't then your a Sikh of your own mind. Because whatever pleases your mind and seems right to your mind you do as the mind tells you. So if you look at 'Sikhs' these days. Guru Sahib said keep your hair uncut, but these Sikhs don't follow this. But what they do follow is doing paath going to the Gurdwara when they get a chance. Then when a wedding comes they attend the reception, on the bases, if I don't go to his reception then they won't come to mine. We all know Guru Sahib said stay away from bad sangat and don't attend these types of events. But still 'Sikhs' these days run, openly invite, openly provide alcohol, and openly attend these events. And if you look around 98% of them have cut their hair to fit the norm of society. Surely some do their paath, but are any of them gaining anything from reading the paath day in and day out. Guru Sahib constantly says follow the Shabad Guru and these 'Sikhs' refuse to do so. Every morning they wake up read Jap ji Sahib and then go on their way committing their minds desired actions. No using my opinion or my definition of Sikh. But going on Guru Sahib definition then we would have to say NO these type are not Sikh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. If most these guy are the 50% Sikhs or 60% Sikhs. Now all of you that believe in a 50% SIkh is what Guru Sahib is calling SIkh in Gurbani should present the shabads. I know the GurSikhs, stressing Sikh here not differentiating for Sikh, knows that Guru Sahib says follow the Shabad Guru 100% and then you are considered a SIkh. But then again GurSikhs, don't want to push the slow developers or the newcomers away from Sikhi by sounding too extreme. They believe the slow developer will learn on his/her own what it means to be a Sikh. Completely understandable. But on the other hand you are also misleading majority of the public by giving the name Sikh to the 50% 'Sikhs' when Bhai Lehna ji had to work so hard for it and his love for Guru Nanak Dev ji was beyond this world. Surely the 50% Sikhs will claim I have love for Guru Sahib, but even this love would be put in the terms as 50% or 20% or 80% or 90% etc etc. Again Guru Sahib is not looking for these percents. Yes he is glad you are moving along the Sikhi path and becoming a devoted follower of his, but in this progress don't try to demean what SIkh stand for because your or I are unable to follow it 100%.

More stubborness. Can't an opinion be stubborn and be filled with anger. And surely no logical and sane person would accept an illogical opinion. IN this case it was visibly filled with stubborness and anger. No, that was just an extra observations made from your writing, which reveals alot about you as you write more. This is where your opinion gets put in the illogical pile as the rest did. from previous post: "You want Sikhs to be proud of tying their beard up in general!!! So a Sikh should be proud to hide his identity, which Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji blessed us with." Now this is where the lies begin, again disclosing yourself for who you are This is what I said "Tie your beard only if there is no other way around it at work. Coming to the Gurdwara or walking around town when work is over with the beard tied is a clear sign of the person inability to believe in Guru Sahib, hin insecurity of having Guru Sahib identity and it shows the person is not making the effort to step away from maya." Sorry your word play didn't work here, but nice try there. And here comes the waterworks, crying for the last so called logical stand this man has IF you have looked up the word judging there are many different meaning to it. In this case you attached the bad meaning to it just to win an arguement and give misguided 'opinion'. When I 'judged' it was used in the correct form of having the base to say what I did. For people like you this is just a game and nothing more; winning an arguement with using cunning ways. Please grow up and have the decency to act your age and not like a child. Again stay in chardikala don't let your anger get the best of you. Even in this post, you might say I was laughing, but the anger is still present, anger takes many forms. Be calm and present your side in a mature manner.

You want Sikhs to be proud of tying their beard up in general!!! So a Sikh should be proud to hide his identity, which Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji blessed us with. You sound like a snake and a very sneaky snake I must add. But do stay in Chardikala

Do explain this more man. I would love to hear this. Your one stubborn man and have not read my whole post. It's visible anger has got the best of you here. So come back in 10 minutes when your calm and then read my post again and then give a reply. Making accusation with no merit is what SPN team does very often. You sound like one of them. You call others narrow minded, but in your post this only apply to you. So stay in Chardikala and then come and give a response.

What does the above exactly mean. By using the same logic a person can say I can cut my beard. Tie your beard only if there is no other way around it at work. Coming to the Gurdwara or walking around town when work is over with the beard tied is a clear sign of the person inability to believe in Guru Sahib, hin insecurity of having Guru Sahib identity and it shows the person is not making the effort to step away from maya.

Then you must find the part where in Gurbani it says what you listen to and who you hang around with you become really halirous. Well in the above you meant funny as a stupid comment right. Tell me if I'm wrong here brother. Think before you open your mouth man.

jgill, what else do you want me to explain. I have explained everything as clear as day. Doing Nindya of a Gursikh Like Hari Singh Nawla will not help your case, but only show your true colors. IN one hand the guys has a beer and with his lips the person he is claiming to be a SIkh. Tell me where do I sign and tell me which fake Guru you follow. Such an easy path why didn't you come here first I would have saved myself so much trouble. Also tHen call everyone on this earth a Sikh all do have to do is say it. Have you read Gurbani even. Do you know what Guru Sahib said. Give me your head, not your beer can. ONce the head is given then you are a Sikh. Also if you want to go deeper into this then tell me what is the difference between Gusikh and a Sikh. Read Gurbani both mean the samething. Just in one Gursikh is being stressed. Also read Bhagat Kabeer jis Bani. He says one day(sunday) the person goes to the Gurdwara ask for forgiveness and the rest of the days like(friday) hits the clubs, gets smashed, lives in the five evils. Guess what he says, no matter what ritual or what prayer you do, you will still go to hell. Also just because you are born in a Sikh family does not make you a SIkh. I can't stress this enough. Here's a example, Guru Nanak Dev ji was born in a HIndu family and by your understanding he is also a Hindu. If he wasn't by your understanding then you wouldn't have presented the examples of 'amritdharis' as you did. Just for kicks here is another one. SOme kids dad is a doctor and he has a son, guess what this kid is already doctor, get this 1 day old baby in the emergency room he'll take care of the patients that need help. Sikhi is not a game brother either pratice Sikhi or go join Christianity they are always looking to increase numbers and all you have to say is Jesus Christ is my saviour and your saved. You can go sit up in 'heaven' and enjoy all the worldly desires.

most these gangsters and their family's consider themselves sikhs so yea its a sikh problem she isn't attacking the sikh community she's highlighting problems in our community and if no one highlights the problems then they won't get solved and get worste Blah blah more ignorance. Stop protecting your PUnjabi boiz. Cuz I know they look really stupid now. Worshipping rapstars and hollywood characters like scarface, Robert Deniro. I'm out homeboi, take it eazy, peace out, catch you on the flip side, on the rocks nigga, we can hang later cuz, you bring the 60 and I'll bring the bucket of chicken. INvite ur homegurl Renu and homeboi Wally Wally and maybe later we can hit the clubs and you can hook me up with ur homegurl Renu aiteeeeeeee Peace

Sounds like the kind of crazy malicious rumour Pakistanis would spread to create a dispute. or the unacceptable, undigestable and harsh truth lol so your stupid enough to believe that the indian govt goes around puts a gun to every youth's head in punjab and makes them do drugs lol hahaha let me guess lol you believe that their's indian secret agents everywere in the world forcing young sikhs to do drugs lol ONly person who is making a fool out of themselves is you right now. One naive person that doesn't know nothing. Ask yourself how did the white americans get the black americans hooked on drugs. Go search in your little Google, how many liquor stores are in each black neighborhood. Then ask yourself how many liquor stores are in all of Punjab and then find out for the rest of the states in India. Think before you open your mouth and all we hear is ignorance come out of it. Also read the book Prince, you might get some understanding on how a government manipulates a culture, religion, ethnic group and then destroys them. Seriously man go read some history on what the American did to Pannma and then just recently who they are at war with. Ask why they did it and how they did it. The words Jackal will come up in every bit of their history. naw man your just one of those brainwashed idiots who likes to cry victim brainwashed by khalistanis who would hide in canada and england in the 80's and 90's rather then going to fight when they had the chance first of all its not the indian govt destroying the sikh youth in punjab, if it is the indian govt tell me why are the youth in BC having the same problems as youth in punjab moran, its cause of our culture not the indian govt, if your going to say the indian govt is corrupting the youth in punjab then your dumb enough to believe their doing it in BC as well and for century's ppl have tried destroying the jews but no one exceeded, you know why their the most powerfull ppl in the world, cause their not cry baby victims, their a strong ppl with strong accountability ONly person hiding is you man making two accounts here. How lame you can't even get some one to agree with you so you had to make two accounts. Then your comparing INdian govt with BC. Why don't you first try to find the difference between a orange and and apple. Because we all know an orange doesn't equal an apple. For you it might, but this fundmental skills bro I can't help you with. As said before BC problem is done by the people you worship virk30 or jgill whoever you are.

This sounds pretty bizarre but is an outrage of an article. I doubt every single one of these guys were into drugs and where's the evidence that these kids were into drugs anyway, it says most murders unsolved so the true stories haven't yet been told- all I see are assumptions. Theres only one example (and a incredibly crap and non evidentual one at that!!) but there have been 50 murders, what the frug is that about??! If there's even a single one of those boys who wasn't killed because of drugs this reporter deserves to be shot and if I was a parent of one of these kids and i'd be livid. Why is it published in a mainstream news magazine, if they wanted to warn the sikh community, not disrepute it why not publish it in a sikh paper or make a speech in sangat? Getting an indian to write the article does not make it ok and saying the judge and drug policeman are sikh isn't okay either- what was the need to put their ethnicity in if they thought the article was appropriate to run? I'm not doubting there are many who are into drugs but almost every other youth of every ethnic group does these days. With clubs and adolescence in general are gonna come alcohol and drugs, there's alot of peer pressure and alot of boys know about sikhi but not enough and don't practice it properly. Its kaljug, theres so much crap going on, lifes full of evil, dissapointment and pain, everyone lets everyone else down so loves going down the drain and the easiest ways to temprarily numb the pain are drugs and alcohol or thankfully for us lucky ones, the most rewarding long term way, religion. I'm not making excuses for these boys but alot of the time it's very easy to get caught up with no way out, esp the younger ones who generally work for older men (suppliers). Which brings me to the point that instead of saying this crap about sikh boys why don't they spend more time finding out who got them hooked in the first place, was it some jewish millionaire or a muslim businessman because I very much doubt sikhs would have been the suppliers, why not get the hard evidence and write an article on the anonymous <banned word filter activated> coward of a supplier. what the hell are you mad about, she highlighted the problem which needed to be highlighted, either we ignore the problem and let it grow which is stupid or we highlight the problem and get to the root of the problem to fix it which she is doing Some more ignorance coming from this guy. The only thing she did is cause more problems, the fool got Sikhi involved when it wasn't apart of it. And tell me what problem has been fixed since she wrote the article. Have you been to the highschools these days. I graded a few years ago and back then there was no one saying this guy brought a gun to school or this guy has a shank. These days the problem has escaladed and guess what it's all the mona that want to be scarface that are committing the murders and getting killed. And these guy don't even practice Sikhi. What they pracitce is PUnjabi culture, which has nothing to do with SIkhi. Get drunk, get high, make fun of each other then go beat up some guy that just looked at them. These are the guys that disrespect women by sleeping around with as many they can. And guess what these guys go no morals aswell one of there best bud's will be dating his other best bud's sister and then they end up breaking up, but the two guys are still best buds. Guess where they get all this crap from. It's your hollywood, your rapstars, Hip hop stars. They want to be the next Tupac, Easy-E, Lil Wayne, 50 Cent. What these brainless guys don't get is all these rappers just rap about killing this guy and that guy. None of the do it. These Punjabi gangsters worship these fools to hell and then Renu has nuttz to blame Sikhi for it. It's all politics. She knew an article attacking the really causers of this problem will not be published so lets just go after the easy target. Tell me the last time an amritdhari in Canada in his 20's killed someone over drugs?

Sounds like the kind of crazy malicious rumour Pakistanis would spread to create a dispute. or the unacceptable, undigestable and harsh truth lol so your stupid enough to believe that the indian govt goes around puts a gun to every youth's head in punjab and makes them do drugs lol hahaha let me guess lol you believe that their's indian secret agents everywere in the world forcing young sikhs to do drugs lol ONly person who is making a fool out of themselves is you right now. One naive person that doesn't know nothing. Ask yourself how did the white americans get the black americans hooked on drugs. Go search in your little Google, how many liquor stores are in each black neighborhood. Then ask yourself how many liquor stores are in all of Punjab and then find out for the rest of the states in India. Think before you open your mouth and all we hear is ignorance come out of it. Also read the book Prince, you might get some understanding on how a government manipulates a culture, religion, ethnic group and then destroys them. Seriously man go read some history on what the American did to Pannma and then just recently who they are at war with. Ask why they did it and how they did it. The words Jackal will come up in every bit of their history.

This aricle by Renu is a stab at the Sikh community and at Sikhi. These gangster that are getting killed these days is because of Hip hop, Rap, Rock, and PUnjabi culture. THese PUnjabi dads are to blame. These are the ones patting their sons on the back for having a drink with them. These are the guys that don't follow Sikhi. These are the guys offering free liquor to everyone at a reception. And guess what Renu is apart of this culture, she is the one attending receptions, Bhangra comptetitions and this is where these guys get more Punjabi idoits to join their gangs. This has nothing to do with SIkhi, but everything to do with Punjabi drunk idoit culture. If you believe the article by Renu is true then your a pretty naive person. It was her way to get some status in the news industry and for Wally Oppal to show Sikhi in a bad light. If anything both of these people are so far from being Sikh. Just becaue you were born with Sikh parents does not make you Sikh, neither does being raised in a Punjabi culture family make you a Sikh. When are these idoits going to get this correct.

This don't make sense on so many levels. But I won't destroy your bliss man. Keep believing in your fantasy's. God only knows what else you guys will come up with. Maybe for the first two lava have the man infront and then the women infront for the next two lava and make the man hold the lar. And maybe just for fun when the women is infront have them walk counterclock wise around Guru Sahib. Talk about crazy!!!!!!

why especially for women? i just dont understand why our fellow indians have to be so sexist and hypocritical...on one hand you say you practice sikhi but you cant practice the basic concept of equality...its just sad. plain sad. If you read Gurbani and there are shabads that tell you why women are important. here is one Shabad mÚ 1 ] ma 1 || First Mehla: BMif jMmIAY BMif inMmIAY BMif mMgxu vIAwhu ] bha(n)dd ja(n)meeai bha(n)dd ni(n)meeai bha(n)dd ma(n)gan veeaahu || From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married. BMfhu hovY dosqI BMfhu clY rwhu ] bha(n)ddahu hovai dhosathee bha(n)ddahu chalai raahu || Woman becomes his friend; through woman, the future generations come. BMfu muAw BMfu BwlIAY BMif hovY bMDwnu ] bha(n)dd muaa bha(n)dd bhaaleeai bha(n)dd hovai ba(n)dhhaan || When his woman dies, he seeks another woman; to woman he is bound. so ikau mMdw AwKIAY ijqu jMmih rwjwn ] so kio ma(n)dhaa aakheeai jith ja(n)mehi raajaan || So why call her bad? From her, kings are born. BMfhu hI BMfu aUpjY BMfY bwJu n koie ] bha(n)ddahu hee bha(n)dd oopajai bha(n)ddai baajh n koe || From woman, woman is born; without woman, there would be no one at all. nwnk BMfY bwhrw eyko scw soie ] naanak bha(n)ddai baaharaa eaeko sachaa soe || O Nanak, only the True Lord is without a woman. ijqu muiK sdw swlwhIAY Bwgw rqI cwir ] jith mukh sadhaa saalaaheeai bhaagaa rathee chaar || That mouth which praises the Lord continually is blessed and beautiful. nwnk qy muK aUjly iqqu scY drbwir ]2] naanak thae mukh oojalae thith sachai dharabaar ||2|| O Nanak, those faces shall be radiant in the Court of the True Lord. ||2|| ang sung 473 Women carry on the future generations. If you think of it women have more control than man. With more control and importance comes more responsibilities. Not saying men can sit back and do whatever.

One already did! LOL Let's ask who invented tying the beard up? Which British did this

Actually know Damesh Darbar is getting along with the Rose Road Gurdwara that keeps chairs in the Langar hall. IT's strange that so much blood was shed between these groups, so much chaos, but now these guys are buddy buddy and not to mention they are violating Akal Takhts Hukam not to associate with the Rose Road Gurdwara. Maybe some other members can shed some light on this.

Well.. my brother, i personally don't know him nor i live in BC or in canada but i have one thing to say is that we should not blame someone or disagree with him/her just because they seem to be little different to you (whether in negative or positive way). See in this way, in reality they faced a lot of stuff against them.. media, politics and whole country (india) is against them and if i was in his place, i would probably be stiff and mad at everyone.. especially when i am loosing money on lawyers. If Canadian judicial system found them not-guilty then wouldn't it be good enough for us to consider that as truth as no one found any evidence nor clue against him/them or sikhs in general. I will pm you the names of some good book by non-biased authors. DOn't get me started on the Canadian judicial system or any other countries system. Well here is an example how the court system finds 'truth'. Take alcohol we know its harmful we know it kills, causes diseases, but still it is legal to drink. It is predicted in the next 10 to 20 years alcohol will be illegal to drink in Canada as a beverage. But not because it's harmful, but because the places where you consume alcohol are being limited. If you at a bar and drinking alcohol and you get too drunk and start driving after and end up crashing into another car and killing the people in that car. The person who crashed the car doesn't get sued, no no, the logical thing is he drank he should be sued. But this is the Canadian court system the person who served him the drinks (the bar) is the one getting sued and paying the millions. The responsibility is put on the bar to not serve too much alcohol to a person. Now is this even logical, forget Truth, its far from it. Also B.C. is know for murder capital of Canada and just guess how long you get for killing someone here........ 10 to 15 years. And if your selling drugs its a slap on the wrist......2 or 4 years and for both you can get bail after 5 year and for the latter 1 year. Singh, I think your trying to come up with excuses for Malik to behave in the behavior he does toward other Gurdwaras that don't obey to what he says. IN other words he has become this bully with his boiz. The Malik crew. Brother, First read some history books (at some simple basics) on this topic (i can suggest you some good books) and then come up here for discussion on such topics. Reason is that hundreds of members like yourself keep coming back with the same type of replies for the past 8 years. Sure, which books do you recommend i should read. I would be greatful for those books. Also do you live in the B.C. area. We B.Cer's know what Malik has done. It's no secret to us, since I grow up listening to what he does and even have saw with my own eyes the way he behaves. Just send me an pm or publish it here which books you want me to read. Thanks in advance. lol i know exactly what your talking about, went to khalsa school in surrey and grew up their their's a reason so many ppl turning their backs on the gurdwaras cause of hypocrits If your turning your back on the Gurdwara because a few don't know how to behave then your not much of a Guru Ka Sikh. I still go to the Gurdwara even though this stuff is happening. Anyways all this stuff(talk) happen in the langar hall.

Brother, First read some history books (at some simple basics) on this topic (i can suggest you some good books) and then come up here for discussion on such topics. Reason is that hundreds of members like yourself keep coming back with the same type of replies for the past 8 years. Sure, which books do you recommend i should read. I would be greatful for those books. Also do you live in the B.C. area. We B.Cer's know what Malik has done. It's no secret to us, since I grow up listening to what he does and even have saw with my own eyes the way he behaves. Just send me an pm or publish it here which books you want me to read. Thanks in advance.

Maybe they just wanted to add some more massala to the all ready hot fire water for the fire ------ Perfect label to show India did it right Head lines--before Indian government blows up Akal Takht, murders Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs! This needs to stop now Head lines--after Sikhs blow two planes!!! India needs to continue there war of terror and kill all terrorist Sikhs so it will never happen again .... I see where your getting at, but after 84 attack what happened??? Indira Gandhi was killed by Sikhs. Thats all the fire they need to keep the campaign of calling Sikhs terrorist and killing them. Assination of INdira out weighs the one plane. Again things don't add up when you point fingers at the Indian government.

http://www.voiceonli...4/headline2.php AIR INDIA INQUIRY WILL LOOK INTO TEHELKA REPORT ON TALWINDER SINGH PARMAR The Tehelka (www.tehelka.com) report on a former Punjab police officer claiming that he arrested and interrogated prime Air India bombing suspect Talwinder Singh Parmar before he was ordered killed by senior police officials confirms what The VOICE has been saying for years: (1) that Indian police extracted all the information they required from Parmar before killing him (and so they really didn't care what Canada did about the other alleged plotters); and (2) that convicted bomb maker Inderjit Singh Reyat knows who the mysterious Third Man - who accompanied Parmar to his house, stayed with him and later took the bombs from him - is. On the other hand, it is very difficult, indeed, impossible to determine what the roles of various alleged plotters were or even the true extent of their involvement because there are so many claims and counter-claims by people who say they know this or that for sure. Then there are those who want all this confusion to protect those who were really involved in the plot. Also, it is impossible to say to what extent the Indian intelligence services and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service were involved in the plot or how much they really knew or know. Did they have a mole or moles? Who was the mole (or moles)? Anyway, the head of the Air India inquiry, former Supreme Court justice John Major told the media that he will look into this report when the hearings resume. The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas was the first to report about the Tehelka report on Monday. The Tehelka report said that retired Punjab Police Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) Harmail Singh Chandi, who reportedly arrested Parmar in the Jammu region of the northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir in September, 1992, did not destroy Parmar's confession record although he was instructed to do that. In the confession, Parmar named Lakhbir Singh Brar "Rode", nephew of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and head of the banned International Sikh Youth Federation, as the mastermind of the bombing. Rode, who is now believed to be in Lahore, Pakistan. Tehelka reported that Chandi produced all the evidence - including audio-tapes - before the RCMP and the John Major inquiry commission. So apparently he was the mysterious witness who suddenly backed out from giving evidence at the Major inquiry. However, when you go through Parmar's confession there are some points that you need to bear in mind. Both as the son of a former Indian Police Service officer and a crime reporter with The Times of India in New Delhi, I can tell you that Indian police extract confessions by third-degree methods that are nothing but horrible torture. That's a well-known fact and that is the reason why police there often don't report an arrest (by law they must bring the arrested person before a judge within 24 hours) because they first torture the person and then wait for the marks of torture and other related physical conditions to heal. Then they register the arrest officially and bring the person before a judge. Judges, too, have been known to turn a blind eye to visible marks of torture, especially in smaller towns. The victim, too, is often too scared to talk of the torture because he fears he will be tortured again! So Parmar's confession could have been taped only after he agreed to say certain things that the cops wanted him to say. Also, he might have deliberately misled the cops to buy time, naively thinking that being a Canadian citizen he would not be killed. According to the Tehlka report by Vikram Jit Singh, Parmar's confession states: "Around May 1985, a functionary of the International Sikh Youth Federation came to me and introduced himself as Lakhbir Singh and asked me for help in conducting some violent activities to express the resentment of the Sikhs. I told him to come after a few days so that I could arrange for dynamite and battery etc. He told me that he would first like to see a trial of the blast ... After about four days, Lakhbir Singh and another youth, Inderjit Singh Reyat, both came to me. We went into the jungle (of British Columbia). There we joined a dynamite stick with a battery and triggered off a blast. Lakhbir and Inderjit, even at that time, had in their minds a plan to blast an aeroplane. I was not too keen on this plan but agreed to arrange for the dynamite sticks. Inderjit wanted to use for this purpose a transistor fitted with a battery...That very day, they took dynamite sticks from me and left. "Then Lakhbir Singh, Inderjit Singh and their accomplice, Manjit Singh, made a plan to plant bombs in an Air India (AI) plane leaving from Toronto via London for Delhi and another flight that was to leave Tokyo for Bangkok. Lakhbir Singh got the seat booking done from Vancouver to Tokyo and then onwards to Bangkok, while Manjit Singh got it done from Vancouver to Toronto and then from Toronto to Delhi. Inderjit prepared the bags for the flights, which were loaded with dynamite bombs fitted with a battery and transistor. They decided that the suitcases will be booked but they themselves will not travel by the same flights although they will take the boarding passes. After preparing these bombs, the plan was ready for execution by June 21 or 22, 1985. However, the bomb to be kept in the flight from Tokyo to Delhi via Bangkok exploded at the Narita airport on the conveyor belt. The second suitcase that was loaded on the Toronto-Delhi air flight exploded in the air." According to the Tehelka report, Punjab Human Rights Organization (PHRO) principal investigator Sarabjit Singh said the PHRO's probe has shown that Parmar was killed to hide the name of Lakhbir, who was an Indian agent. He claimed that a plot was hatched to discredit the Sikh movement and that the Punjab Police got orders to eliminate Parmar because he knew too much about the main perpetrators. Tehelka pointed out that although Lakhbir is accused in many acts of terrorism, he is wanted by the Indian government in only a minor case registered in Moga, Punjab. The Globe and Mail's Robert Matas reported: "Lakhbir Singh Brar came to Canada in April, 1985, as a refugee. He was identified as a national security risk by Canada's security service and deported in the early 1990s." Interestingly, Tehelka reported that when the police officer - Satish K. Kumar, who was a Senior Superintendent of Police at the time and is now an Inspector General of Police - who reportedly killed Parmar in an encounter, was asked about the charge that Parmar was murdered by the police, he shot back: "It was a clean encounter. The RCMP is bringing this up because they botched their investigations and failed to get convictions." Interesting masala, eh! Very interesting massala and very spicy i must say. It hard to get the true story, but come on government already blow up Akal Takht, murdered Sant Jarnail Singh ji, and thousand of Singhs, They had already targeted and started killing the Sikhs that were with Sant Jarnail Singh ji. They already acomplished around the world to say Sikhs are terrorist. After all these accomplishments hard to believe they needed to blow up two planes to label the Sikhs again as terrorist. The INdian government already accomplished what they wanted before the 1985 bombing.

Stop being a Muslim (sorry for that ) When a Muslim dose something wrong all the other Muslims start saying " o he's no not muslim , muslims don't do those kind of things because thats not what islam tells them to do" Dose it make the person a non Muslim if he breaks a Islam rule NO! If it was like that then there would only be about 100 Sikhs in the world ....... Unless they have a good reason I hope God dose not But in the end Those are my thoughts............. Just shareing them, Rest is how you make of them LOL don't be a Muslim. That's a good one!!!! Well here is the reason why it must be said they are not Sikhs for committing such a horrible crime. Because when a non-Sikh see or hears about this story the first thing that comes up is. Who did it and they say Sikh. So since they are being classified as Sikh and Sikhi is against this completely then we have no chioce, but to condemn the act and say they are not Sikh for it. If we don't make that clear then non-sikh or younger Sikhs see this as a Sikh teaching and this puts Sikhi in a bad light. It misrepresents Sikhi and all the Gursikhs that follow Sikhi correctly. Also if it is not said, then other younger Sikh can see this as a way to solve a problem they have with other youth. We can see that now. The youth justfy most of there illegal activites using the practice of Sikhi; if all means fail then its right to pick up the sword. They misuse this concept to benefit themselves. As these guys(malik) justify there wrong doing saying its for Khalsa Panth. WRONG, this is condemned in Sikhi, so only way out to spread the correct message is to say they are not Sikh for committing the act of bombing innocent people. God forgives many horrible acts a person does. God does not hold grudges against anyone. Nor does he hate anyone. Admitting they did it would be the apologize God would be looking for. Own up to what you have done is another Sikhi practice. Just to kill one person they killed hundreds. It's just wrong. And the person they were going after didn't even board the flight so even they failed at their mission.

Another thing I heard, 70% sure it is true, Malik had transport drugs from India inside Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji's Birs. There is alot of other things being said to what he has done in the past and more than half of it is true. Also Malik causes alot of trouble in Gurdwaras that don't follow what he says. And i'm not talking about tables and chairs issue. These issue are related to control and money. B.C. is plaqued with alot of phony Singhs and they are at the head of Gurdwaras, who wear the Sikh identity. But behind closed doors sell drugs to the youth to make millions.

In my opinion and looking at both sides of the story, I can only conclude that Malik was apart of the bombing. I know some have come up with the theory that the Indian government did it to make the Sikhs look bad. But once you look at that angle it just doesn't add up. The guys that did this bombing are not consider Sikh at all. Guru Sahib is completely against this kind of killing. They might have the Sikh identity and run big business, and khalsa schools, but that does not justify their wrong doing. I hope God forgives them for such a horrible crime on innocent lives. Hey don't take my word for it do the research yourself and see what you get.

Karen ji, I think your not getting the point. So im just leave it at, what I said last. Not here to argue and fight with someone.

I believe Gursikh Singh won't be coming around anymore since his association with spn was pointed out.