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28 years and still going the Sikhs are trying to get justice of the 1984 genocide in Dehli peacefully. If this does not show the spiritual calm side of the Sikhs then nothing will to the fanatical critics in this world. Jackals are present in many different garbs. Extremist are never happy with anything.

Another way to look at it.....what is outside of Vaheguru? Is Kaal outside of Vaheguru? A diamond being inside a silver ball does not make the whole silver ball a diamond.

Legal action should be taken against the movie theatre.

Those that feel exploring Gurbani on Sargun explanations is against Sikhi or beadbi then please hit the report button or tell Sri Akal Takht Sahib others are exploring what Sargun means by looking at Gurbani. They can stop this huge action against Sikhi and stop these insults. When did Sikhs become so rigid and stop the learning process. Those that want to live in caves will not be asked to come out and participate.

Here I will explain why I presented the Gurbani which I did. You stated that Sargun is where he manifest himself in forms. Dasam Bani which I presented fits here because Narsingh was one of the many forms which Vaheguru manifested himself in. This form was taken by Kal. Which would mean by your definition that Sargun of Vaheguru is in time. Which is not true because in Sri Sukhmani Sahib, Satguru says Sargun and Nirgun is Nirankar. Do you see now why I presented the Gurbani? You had a definition of Sargun and it did not pass the test of Gurbani. No one slandered you or called you names for presenting definition that did not represent Gurbani. Don't take this as a personal attack. I actually used to think in the same terms, but when I cam across the solak and pankti, it made me change into what Satguru is telling me.

Where are these organizations as Sikhs are tortured still today and Sikhs are dying in jail, with no record of them even in jail. They want to have an open discussion then go to india prisons and get the innocent Sikhs out of prison. Sant ji was asked why so much violence and he answered back telling the person go ask congress who started it.

Its a future plan way to label clean Sikh organizations as terrorist organizations (association by protecting terrorist individuals) when things start popping off and congress members are hiding in their caves. What better way to collect information on where Sikh organizations are heading by asking them in a open discussion.

ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਆਪਿ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਕੀਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਾਪ॥੧॥ The above is from Sri Sukhmani Sahib. Now listen to Dasam Bani: ਨਰਸਿੰਘਾਵਤਾਰੰ ॥ ਵਹੈ ਕਾਲ ਮਾਰੰ ॥ नरसिंघावतारं ॥ वहै काल मारं ॥ The incarnation Narsingh was also killed by KAL. ਬਡੋ ਡੰਡ ਧਾਰੀ ॥ ਹਣਿਓ ਕਾਲ ਭਾਰੀ ॥੭੩॥ बडो डंड धारी ॥ हणिओ काल भारी ॥७३॥ The incarnation with grinder teeth (i.e. Boar) was killed by mighty KAL.73. Do you want to take another shot at define Sargun now, Since Sukhmani Sahib is saying Sargun is Nirankar? And Dasam Bani calls Avatar as creation subject to Kal.

Can you paste a link to a song that you are referring too. Not all songs sung by Sikhs are from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

The seva of Agan Bhet of Maharaj is not a new seva that was invented in this century, but has been around for decades and decades. This seva was not started because the Khalsa Panth is lazy or don't consider Bani as the living Guru. The Ten Gurus were the visible form of Shabad Guru. There whole body vibrated with Shabad Guru and was covered in Shabad Guru. If you disagree, then why was Charan di Pahul done with Satguru's feet? If a body is a body, then there should have no Charan di Pahul done over Satguru's feet. Why were their bodies allowed to be Agan Bhet? The first and fifth Gurus body disappeared before the dusht can humiliate Satguru's form. The Ninth Guru's body and head were taken by Sikhs so the dusht could not parade around with Satguru's form as a sign of victory over humanity. Lives were sacrificed to protect the human form of Shabad Guru. Neither does Shabad Guru come and go, Shabad Guru is ever present, but we have not developed the eyes to see it. Take the history of Adi Granth being compiled. Yet still we had 5 human Gurus before Adi Granth was given Guruship. Were the human Guru's so arrogant to not see the Shabad Guru (living Guru in written form) is present, yet still sat on the Takhts as Gurus? If written form of Shabad Guru is Guru, then why didn't Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj give Guruship the first time when Ik Onkar was written down or spoken? Why wait 300 years to do such an act? Those that are thinking that Adi Granth was not complete are fooling themselves because Adi Granth starts with Ik Onkar and continues on with Ik Onkar. There is no middle or end to Shabad Guru. If Adi Granth was not complete, how did Sri Guru Angad Dev ji become a SIkh and then the second Gurus of the Sikhs? Satguru says there is no difference between any of the Guru's, then why do we discriminate against each form. It's okay to Agan Bhet of the human form, but when written form is going to get Agan Bhet all hell breaks loose. ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥ Without any doubt Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj must be respected as the Gurus in human form performed. However this is one of many forms of Shabad Guru, which cannot be destroyed by any fire. The ink and the ang is taken by the fire, but the Shabad Guru stays in his original form Gurbani is being opened on computers and people mock those that do Chaur Sahib di seva over the computer. Those that mock are limiting themselves because they can't see that Satguru just doesn't have a hard cover and pages. For them they need to see a book shaped Granth to say Satguru is before me.

www.gurmatveechar.com has more under present day katha from Baba ji................by the way he wears a kirpan :biggrin2:

Here is a True GGG, who knows how to drop it down all of us hoodrats. He str8 from the hood n representing da illest of da illest. Tune into this killa stuff and watch a bomb be dropp'd on the knocked up quarter pounder Babas

Can you imagine Satguru going to the Yogis and then mimicking their yoga postures..............LOL.........it surely will get there attention, just as Satguru throw the water in the opposite direction to get the Ancestor worshipers attention. Satguru was for real he was never trippin on the syrup or the ice. :biggrin2:

Exactly, Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji wear Muslims clothing while going to Mecca, not cuz it looked cool or it was in fashion. Satguru also spoke there language and today we have Sikhs interpreting Gurbani as Satguru supported their actions. It was a way to develop a connection with them and then teach the correct way.

Mega :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

A Sikh that is defined as a patit by these Jathedars and who tries his/her best to live as a Sikh is a million times more deserving than these Jathedars. Also don't just blame one Jathedar of a Takht. All 4 get together to give these decisions and have an equal hand in decision making.

I'm sorry, it is just so many Sikhs are moving away from Sikhi today and attaching themselves to Yogi Bhajans cultist practices, which are being spread by 3HO with a blind fold on.

I understand where you are coming from. When I hear Giani come out of a person's mouth in a bad way, I'm one who corrects them. Any person with a dhari and dastar is mocked by calling them giani and this destroys the teen and youth confidence. Which is wrong and if we really wanted we could use many names toward cut hair people. Just to set them straight sometimes I wouldn't mind calling them jaananiii

funniest is the that the baba is knocked up................LOL

They are also saying Naam Jap......so do you think they are making fun of Naam Jap? They are separate the fake from the real and making fun of the fake Babas.

Why hate...........the video in the OP post is speaking the truth about Babas............

Sikhi starts with IK Onkar and ends with IK Onkar. You cannot separate Ik Onkar from Sikhi.

Can admins or mods step in here. I have no desire to entertain this person. He came fighting from another thread and now wants to start here. I have walked away from him many times and let him say what he wants many times. You continue to let him go on and on harassing others. And you can't say you have a tough time reading every post because hes a regular here and you know who are instigators here. Just recently you picked up on a member making another account after she wrote a post. At least put him under quality control, then he will use his cunning ways to insult others and that will slip under your radar, which won't matter. Or give him my location and a plane ticket so we can set up a face to face meeting and he can take his anger out on me. I won't raise one hand to him and you can give him a bat with nails in it. Let him take out his anger and if hes lucky he can curve stomp my face in with steel toe boots.

Does anyone know what Gurmukhs have said on this topic. Can recordings and/or videos be posted. Nothing will be solved by yelling at each other. I see there are genuine people on both sides of the discussion. When both sides are deadlocked it best to ask a Gurmukh on what should be done.