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This doesnt make sense. Khalsa is eternal, the people change but Sikhi dont. How can a woman defend if she is constantly thinking of her skirt revealing what she should coverup??? Just a gust of wind can disrupt her thinking and make her more worried about keeping her skirt from blowing around and revealing again what "should" be covered up. Wearing a skirt just means she wants to show off to guys, it has nothing to do with anything else. Some people that claim to be "sikhs" a very very stupid. My dad isnt even a Sikh and told me yesterday he got mad when he went to the state fair and saw an <banned word filter activated> with a patka and beard drinking a beer and thinking he was all "kewl". My dad who isnt even a Sikh got offended, but some Sikhs still think they are Sikhs because of the "claim". No true SIKH woman will wear a skirt period(the rest can just complain)

Most christians can only follow a few of the commandments (mostly the thou shall not kill part :lol: ) They lie, they steal, they commit adultery, they want wat the jones'es got, they false testify, they remember god in ways that is just by mere words, they careless who the parents want to raise them, again the neighbors wife is greener than their pasture, they go to church sunday but do all the other sins on the same day, but hey they never killed nobody :lol: anyways back to the subject. When you give a donation out of love or getting married is the only time you should ever ever give money. Prayer is for you to do, you cant hire someone to pray for you. I know a lady who calls me all the time to have me pray for her two kids to not be christians and to be Sikhs again, and Im sorry but prayer isnt a magic spell. I could pray that Sikhs actually be Sikhs and if God doesnt allow them to be a true Sikh then all the prayer in the word wont bear much fruit. The best way is to lead by example which involves prayer but a prayer is only a way to throw a coin in the wishing well for some people. Prayer should be a way to conjour strength to accept GHods will, not wish apon a start etc. I will tell you right now if you give money to anyone for a prayer then you are stupid and you should pray yourself and give the dasvand or any donation for a cause that is good. Ardas mentioning names is futile and bears as much fruit as a coin thrown in a bucket of water. People need to understand Ardas is a self meditaion and simran of Vaheguru to access the strength and honor that a Sikh begs for at every prayer. We thank Vaheguru for everything given and everything taken. We pray in good times and bad. We dont pay anyone to do our lifes work, it is your induvidual duty to do your own prayers and seek the guidance from God and Guru. If you prayer for a big house and dont get it are you going to further doubt God because God didnt give you wat you wished for??? are you going to say your prayer wasnt good enough??? wasnt heard???? so you pay a giani to pray for you????? If the "giani" was a giani he/she would tell you to pray yourself and help you understand why the induvidual needs to gain the strength/guidance through their own personal devotion, if the "giani" takes the money and does a prayer and gives you a reciept then you were fooled by him/her, because God doesnt middleman blessings. God wants you to truly do your prayer out of love and respect not a funded prayer that you supervise. Do your paath and be a Sikh in every thing you do and then nobody else can say a better prayer than you. If you dont know how to do Ardas then read it and do it from your heart and then God will understand that you put in the effort to have Simran of that Ardas. Benti's can only go so far until you are wishing upon a star. Ardas for strength to accept whatever God does as the best thing for you. Ardas that you have the ability to be a Sikh and do paath ardas for you to never give up your faith and youll never lose if you do it truly with the correct mindset etc. DOnate money on your own time but dont pay for prayer (youll save yourself alot of money that way) Then youll be able to fund a kid to do well in school, youll be able to buy things that the Gurdwara needs and distribute them to those that can benefit in their Sikh journey to the infinity that they are destined to become. Donate so others can get a free Gutka to do devotional prayer, donate to Panthic needs so others can actually benefit but dont pay for prayer.

if you had surgery why couldnt you still go to school. (youre not having brain surgery) Its best to have a doctor look at it and tell you whether you need surgery or not, rather than inventing a prognosis yourself before getting professional consultation etc

UK politics is straight up corrupt to the max. I know a few people from UK and they are really really in "lah-lah land". Best thing to do is document the corruption and wen the time comes prove that it is beaadbi and antiSikhi and once enough people get together the committee can go cry somewhere else. They are masands and minas, they need to be thrown out of the Gurdwara by their pants and humiliated due to no humility and while being "incharge' of Gurdwarey management". People are corrupt as a Godless fool but they pretend to be religious and should have a more severe punishment for their corruption and false actions. Be a GurSikh and collect with others to have a qualilty Sangat and all the people that can know the difference will stop attending the masands jal that they call a Gurdwara. Once the Gurdwara isnt about Sikhi and its fundamentals then it stops being a House of God, it only remains an empty building that they hold Guru Granth Sahib hostage etc. Be a thorn in the masand committees side.

Follow the top of the pages Ardas etc See how much it costs for someone to print you out a hukamnama and their supposed "ardas". I was going thru a blog and decided to click on what I thought was a silly thing to have on a website and it goes to a paypal account thing and charges you money for a "prayer". Next they will charge you for some online prashad and they will mail you a butter stained paper that had your cyber prashad on it :rolleyes: Why are people stupid enough to pay someone for a prayer they should do themselves??????????? You cant say "here bob here is ten bucks do a prayer for me". :6 God wants you to do that prayer or paat not some mechanical mouth doing endless prayers for people as a robot. Wake up dont be a zombie

I also would say "Sing something Relevant and not tooooo deep meaning something simple and easy to understand" something they can adhere to when they are waiting for first Ardas etc...... You arent just singing for the couple you are teaching the Sangat something also at the same time. Most of the time Sangat cant follow the simple stuff so encouraging them to follow the basics of Sikhi is a better Shabad to sing.

I do this kinda things alot and they either rip the poster off the wall and throw it away or try to chase me off for questioning manmat foolishness. Management love to sprint to the gholak and start counting the money like a starving dog seeing a scrap of food. The quality of the Sangat is how the money should be spent. Some claim to build a bigger better huge building and when you think about it they will need 70 million dollars to build such a buildiing that mainly isnt used but once a week for a few hours. If the building is packed all the time then that means the Sangat comes for the Sikhi of the Sangat not the culture of the Sangat, and only when its always inconvenient to have a packed room and for the comfort of the Sangat should a new building be constructed. I think they use half the money on a new Darbar Hall while the rest goes into embellzed pockets in the name of Dasvand and donated gholak funds etc. One good point is to teach the Sangat when you dont understand Guru Sahib then ask for an interpretation and then you will know the simplicity of Sikhi. If you dont follow SIkhi then youre in the same group of everyone else that dont follow Gods will, sad that youll be so close to the cure but not take it and suffer for it while being right there at the doctors(Guru) hospital(Darbar). People mainly take Sikhi for granted and are just as much lost as a person that doesnt believe in any religion. They do Sikh activities but dont even benefit from going to Divan or being blessed to listen to Guru Sahibs teachings could take a backseat to their sports, alcohol or kaam activities. SIkhi is very simple and only a fool would need to have laymans terms translated into even more laymans terms.(you can only translate 1 into a few ways after that the person must be stupid for not knowing the simplicity of the number 1) Wake up and stop being a zombie

to me personally offensive no, anyone can have their way of presenting themselves, but "acting" as a "sikh" in a movie and not being a Sikh is when the bollywood films are trying to portray a Sikh wronglt and purposely, if they cant properly portray a Sikh with secular actors then an actual SIkh should be hired or at least look like an actual Sikh. Last time I went to the Gurdwara I noticed there is a trend amongst males that go to the Gurdwara to try to look "kewl" and try to portray the singh is king tardo and there actually is now a low percentage of people doing this rathern than a number of lets say 5 -6 people doing this. To me they look like plastic clowns wearing a turban (but thats just my opinion) Dont be a clown that culturally wears a turban and shaves beard. If you already can look like that and have employment then stop shaving everyday to maintain that tiny beard stubble to look "kewl", because its like wearing two different looking shoes and trying to not look tardo.

How would being a "Sikh of the Guru" not mean to be a "GurSikh"???? The point of Sikhi is to do as the Guru prescribes us. We are all too stupid to figure the divine truth without Guru Sahib. We constantly need Guru Sahibs guidance "Nitnaym Gurbani" Guru Granth Sahib Paat etc or we are just a wandering soul like a stray dog with no master. There are thousands of AntiSikh factions out in the world twisting Sikhi/Gurbani so that many dont follow Sikhi the way GuruSahib laid down the teachings so those foolish people fight against the true form of Sikhi. They cant beat us so they twist Sikhi around to fit the manmat manmukh bill and thus creates a cancer cell within the main focus of Sikhi as being a form of religion that we take on the roop of our founders. People that cut their hair and take on societies roop will forever be stuck in the tradition of constant change with fads/trends and will never find peace. The get upset when they see true people following Guru Sahibs hukam and that is the reason why we all must take on Guru Sahibs roop and live according to the true Sikh traditions. People want to live a "lah-lah land" Sikhi which is flawed to its core and seem to fight against what Guru Sahib has laid out for anyone that calls themselves a Sikh of Guru Sahib. COming to the Gurdwara doesnt mean you are a Sikh, it just means you come to the Gurdwara frequently. Until you give your head to Guru Sahib then you are a dog without a collar and wander from each scavanged bit of food to the next meal and never have the same bed to lay in. People want to claim they are a Sikh when they dont read Gurbani daily eiother at all or at correct times. People want to claim they are a Sikh without the Gurus Roop. People want to claim they have allegience to Sikhi but seem to adopt the opposite of what Guru prescribes us that want to be under Guru Sahibs shelter. Making your own form of worship is false and will never bear fruit in the main goal of Sikhi. Ive heard people say they love Guru and believe everything contained in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, but if they never care for reading how foolish they are then they are fooling themselves. They know you must beg Guru Sahib to ask Guru Sahib for us to be allowed to be his Sikh but they forfiet it and exchange diamonds and jewels(True Sikhi) for mere glass(Manmat). GurSikh means Sikh. People that want to not waste their life need to start practice being a sehajdhari and then adopt the complete Sikh way of daily living. People need to discover God within themselves and then understand why Guru Gobind SIngh gave us the hukam of leaving the physical body alone while shaving off the hair of the mind(panj doots). People need to take on the Godly ways of living and not waste their life in duality. (****************edited to put Gurbani in bold**********************)

women that wear such clothes are conceited and full of ego. They want to show off and want attention. Then when they have nasty red neck oakies that dont take showers for weeks on end are staring/looking at them with very bad intentions they get suprized and try to wish it away??? Why would a respectable woman wear exposing clothes?????????? ego, lust,attachment and more All Sikh woman are supposed to go by the Khalsa Code of Conduct (as Sikhi is religious not secular) so they are all supposed to not cut their hair. SO just because they female is foolish to conform to western societies cutting hair doesnt mean its ok to wear clothes to show off her shaved legs etc. Its their fault they cant be a Sikh by action, they only are a Sikh of babbling, they claim to be a Sikh. My wife used to be the typical female and after her 20+ years of knowing youll never feel right she finnaly understood the prinsipal of not cutting any of her hair. To tell you the truth I dont even notice it because Im not to indulge in thinking of all the junk animal like humans seem to only care about. If all you care about is shaving your legs etc then shave off your head, why have hair at all right, because you say its "gross"??? so why not be bald too :rolleyes: Khalsa is Genderless. Feamles and Males MUST obey the laws of Sikhi to be a Sikh of Guru Sahib, other than that they are just people who like to go to the Gurdwara (plain and simple) Without life the body is dead, without Naam the life is dead.

It means foreigner it is a proper term to use for a white or person of European decent. I dont mind being called a gora but gora is more of a slang loose term and Id rather call myself a ferengi Sikh rather than a gora Sikh etc. its ok Im insulted with your kind words :lol: haha

hehe I clarified why naamdhari kirtan shouldnt be allowed thru your speakers. now this is somewhat off topic This saying technically cant be used in proper context: Back in the day (in the US and england) people would only take a bath once a year and the father would take his bath first then the mother then each of the kids and then the baby would have the dirtiest bath water(they all used the same bath water) well the water was so dirty that you could hypothetically lose the baby in the dirty water and metaphorically throw the baby out with the bath water because it was so nasty. SO how can this statement be used correctly?/ I dont know beats me :lol: It is because the use of harmonium instead of the correct Gurmat instruments being used. It takes about 6 seconds to learn to play harmonium and at least a year to learn to properly play any stringed instrument. Finger placement and then how well you feel the instrument is how to play any stringed instrument, while anyone can pump air into a box and push a button. Then the people who "master' the harmonium only do major alaap improvisions which doesnt even fit in the melody most of the time. Its the difference from learning to play jori or tabla and typing your name on a computer keyboard. Throw your harmonium away and buy a dilruba/taus/sarangi/sarod/rabab/esraj/sitar/jori/dholek/tabla etc and learn from scratch if you want to start to learn kirtan. Trust me youll feel like an alien from outer space at first but once you put your time and effort in youll impress everyone that hears true Kirtan once you can play kirtan for Sangat. We arent here to impress from your kirtan but that you learned to play a Gurmat instrument etc, and that will inspire others to also adopt the true way of kirtan. Go ask all these kirtan masters to play a stringed instrument and watch them drop 60stories in level because they only know to play harmonium that everyone claims to be called "vaja". Stop calling a harmonium a "vaja" because its not heavenly music but a harmonica on steriods :lol: I know this sounds odd but its true.

If ya ever need advice or want to ask questions, I can help ya too. Watch out for all the jealous people who call themselves Sikhs and will try to mislead you because they are insecure about how they dont follow Sikhi. First step is dont cut your hair so you can tie a proper turban. Second get a Gutka Sahib(If you need one I will send you one) Go to www.Sikhnation.com and order the book "Guide to Spiritual Consciousness"(they are free on that website) Third step dont get invloved with 3ho(white sikhs) yoga stuff (many reasons why not to and Im not going to write a 14million word essay on why not) Im farengi also.

so not being fully understood means its equal to Raag Gurbani??????? What I get from it is Raag Kirtan is "higher" than when someone doesnt follow Gurmat Gurbani Raag, and when not sung in raag(not fully understood) means it is "lower" form of kirtan??????? When you say Raag Ramkali/Sohee then it should be sung in what the Manglacharan states. Lets sing Anandu Sahib in a very sad state of despair way and see if it is not flipping the reality around?????? :wacko: after all this youll get people singing Gurbani in heavy metal because "nobody else sings in Raag" :rolleyes: Learn Kirtan in Raag so you are singing in RAAG, dont learn the showtunes kirtan that is popular. If people dont want to hear raag Kirtan then they shouldnt go to the Gurdwara. If they dont want to hear True Gurmat Gurubani Raag then they are telling Guru Arjan Dev that his system isnt good enough for them????????

sad but true. We need to expose anyone that does drugs by taking from them and burying it or wasting it somehow(making it unusable) Alcohol needs to be poured on the ground(as american prohibition did) but Khalistan would be a religious country or state so it would not need any alcohol sales or tax revenue (so all the liquor store owners wouldnt be able to make any money in that fashion) Corrupt people ned to be boycotted and flushed out the system. Basically we need a true neighborhood watch system which insures the betterment of all people. drunks and drug addicts can move to another state or country so they can do their drugs or drink their alcohol and not complain about it. Corruption would be banned in Khalistan, and those who are exposed as corrupt would serve the tankhiya stated in the constitution about corruption (so leaders would think twice before running for office and would be held accountable for any misdeeds they did whther it be in public or behind closed doors) nice suggestions dear...but who will handle these things if khalistan would be there...our leaders...who drink half in the morning and quarter in the evening...as i said earlier we dont have solid leadership to handle such things otherwise there wouldn't have been problems like these... we need somebody who would be strict on corruption, development of the state as a whole not just his/her pind or village, good administrator, good thinker, impartial and non-communal...he/she must give equal proportion of interest to people from all faiths, cultures and religions...unfortunately Punjab has stopped producing such sons and daughter now...qnd if there' any he/she has no access to political matters of the state...! While there is corrupt leaders now no rightful person can survive not being buried by the current corruption. We can consider the modern corruption as if the moghul regime has came back. Who stopped the corruption in history????? Panthic bodies nobody as 1 person etc..... Starting by boycotting corruption is the best start, getting the ball rollin is the only way, lifting the leg and placing it in front is the only way to start to walk. It wont happen in the snap of the fingers to walk this mile.

we should learn about other faiths as it keeps us from being a bigot or an uneducated debater when people of other faiths ask sinsere questions etc... Some people must feel insecure about their faith to not want to learn or talk about others faiths etc....?? For a good self santhiya get a dictionary of Guru Granth Sahib and after understanding to way Bani is formatted youll start to hear the bani in which your mind can comprehend. Ask your Gurdwara to setup a Santhiya class, so you dont have to biasly need only taksali santhiya (like if others dont know santhiya etc)

:lol: sad but true. We need to expose anyone that does drugs by taking from them and burying it or wasting it somehow(making it unusable) Alcohol needs to be poured on the ground(as american prohibition did) but Khalistan would be a religious country or state so it would not need any alcohol sales or tax revenue (so all the liquor store owners wouldnt be able to make any money in that fashion) Corrupt people ned to be boycotted and flushed out the system. Basically we need a true neighborhood watch system which insures the betterment of all people. drunks and drug addicts can move to another state or country so they can do their drugs or drink their alcohol and not complain about it. Corruption would be banned in Khalistan, and those who are exposed as corrupt would serve the tankhiya stated in the constitution about corruption (so leaders would think twice before running for office and would be held accountable for any misdeeds they did whther it be in public or behind closed doors)

so start learning raag kirtan. Naamdharis keep some traditions and ignore other traditions. They do sing raag etc but (Ive seen them pass a Saroop of Guru Granth Sahib like a phonebook while their Guru was doing a sermon etc) Every since Guru Arjan Dev Ji setup the tradition of Prakash of Adi Granth Sahib we have always held fierm to the tradition of Prakash/SUkhasan etc and just because they have a human Guru doiesnt mean you can passs a Bir around like that. (it mad me mad wen I saw this, I was like just because you look at some guy as Guru doesnt mean you dont need Prakash etc cause all the Gurus after Guru Arjan Dev still respected Gurbani Saroops by having Prakash etc...... Ive been reading books about Naamdhari and Ram Singh himself never called himself Guru but his succesors called him a Guru because he had a lot of Gurbani memorized and since he was in prisoned on an island for 14 years they declared him Guru etc...(but then how did he give Guruship wen he could have had a succesor "jathedar" but he himself never claimed to be Guru. British tyrants installed them as favorable people to mess up Sikhi until they to(naamdharis) were jumping in front of cannons in sacrifice to the british tyranny. There are lots of ways that you can go back to naamdhari history that doesnt add up at all. They say Guru Gobind Singh snuck out of his sanskar and moved to Nabha and changed his name to Ajaypal Singh and died in 1812 at 146 years old before giving baba balak singh guruship which he then gave baba ram singh guruship etc....... They gave guruship to a new guru while ram singh died but they still believed he was alive (if they thought he was alive [even though he was dead] how could they give guruship to someone?????) SO yes naamdhari hold raag kirtan but make up other traditions so I wouldnt go as far as saying because they do raag kirtan makes up for them beliving in jagjit singh as guru etc......

Ive seen the skinning videos a couple years ago. I cant believe they dont just actually kill the animal before they skin it, its like they enjoy the animal alive while torturing it for its skin. Chinese even eat a delicacy of eating a certain kind of egg like 3 days before it would have hatched, eating it right out of the eggshell. It was so nasty that this american white guy likes it and eats it all the time wen he is in china. Since Ive seen the threads video link a couple years ago has anything happened other than the fur trade being exposed etc????????????? So people are so cruel and have no regards to life.

after I read these two statements from him I got the picture that he is in punjab and knows everything and has the best of character(the best example of Sikhi) :lol: For one being in punjab doesnt mean anything other than egotistical means of "im in punjabi you arent" :lol: two what does being in punjab matter if you are swindled away from bs? :happy: but take his word as biblical because he is in punjab so take his word for it based on being in punjab :rolleyes: well he said so himself , you wont hear him in this thread no more

Id rather have someone tie the lamest looking turban and actually be a rehatvaan sikh than some stooge tying a cute one for looks. :huh:

freemasonry is worth peoples study for a little bit, but black magic is bunk. It is a way to scare you into submission. Money is the biggest "black magic" money buys you corruption etc. Dont get caught up in science as they are most of the time educated guesses, and the rest of the planet has to take the word of the overly paid guesser. TYhey cant rewind time to now how long ago was the big bang etc, they will "try" to get you to believe they can calculate but in time they will change their answer again and again. Remember the world isnt flat etc

TO tell you the truth I can only pray that you can/will pray. Nobody can pray "for" you. God knows the silent prayer of who is really saying a prayer, as for Ardas I could scream as loud as I want on the worlds biggest P.A. system and it wont matter, God knows who is saying the prayer correct. Read Ardas and if you are sincere then God knows. Last night at SUkhasan I messed up on Ardas and my wife corrected me but since I truelly try God still knows etc. If you have never done Ardas then reading it every day at least 3 times a day (after paat) is the first step. First read it and after a while youll know it. I wish I had Sat Bania Kant but I cant do that unless I read them many many many times. I have a lady always ask me to pray for her and her son, and all I can do is pray that they pray sincerely, and thats all I can do. Ardas isnt a check list of things you wish for. It is a type of Simran and a way to tap into the realm of God. God wants sincerity not memorization. My wife thought because she doesnt have a perfect Ardas that it isnt accepted and so I make her do it alot more now because she needs to practise and not have me do it all the time, and she actually corrected me(inwardly I giggled cause it was a neat feeling) If you dont have a gutka with Ardas then go to sikhiwiki and download a printed version so you can start to practice the Sikh Religion. We practice our religion as an everyday thing. "Practice"

The guy looks like he uses a layer of charcoal dust rubbed on his face to make his supposed "beard" and no kara? :lol:

If we get rid of the masands and implement Gurmat then all the people who induce manmat in the Gurdwara could only cry a river over not having a strangle hold of Guru Sahibs golek. Im talking get rid of the tables and chairs and make all occupational people sit together on the floor humbly is one thing. Spending the gholek money on the quality of the Sangat and not the masands agendas is two. Doing the full Anadu Sahib and sttm is three. Actually singing RAAG Kirtan is four. Giving tankhiya to those caught in antiGurmat cases is five. Asking people continually that if they talk in the Darbar Sahib is a major major sin and to go outside or not come at all if they are to talk during Divan is six. Having Sunday Divaan last all day rather than a couple hours and have more Divan during the weekdays will help the entire community is seven. Teaching the youth that straying from Sikhi is a disgrace to the Shaheeds of the past is eight. Teaching Sangat Santhiya as katha will attract more people to understand Gurbani is nine. Bhangra is not shouldnt be associated as a "Sikh religious music" etc Drinking alcohol is like converting away from Sikh religion etc............on and on about simple changes that are needed to change the quality of Sarbat Khalsa and Sehajdhari Sangat.