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about congress or being a GOI agent...that cannot be said or proven...I personally doubt it.. But the "Missionary factor" was definitely a majoorrrrrrr one. :excl: It has to be. Moving to Canada+contacts with missionaries there is definately a factor. Cause both are anti-deravaads to the max had man many more similar in views on various issues. it is no secret that these missionaries are very ਚਾਲਕ type of people. I have actually PERSONALLY heard him doing pro-dasam granth parchar. As I remember, he said Bani in SGGS ji should be called GURBANI and bani in Sri DG should be called BANI...any other bani not belonging to Guru ji should be called kachi bani. The reason is Gurgadhi was given to SGGS ji. Hence , its bani is GURbani & Sri DG is Guru kirt also. He further said that, Guru Gobind Singh never tried to equate his bani to SGGS ji's bani, thats the reason you will never see "Kahu Nanak, Nanak Kahai...or NANAK" at the end of any Bani is Sri Dasam Granth. Well it made sense back then to me ^having heard from his mouth as what I said above. I was quite surprised about his rants against on Sri DG. :6 :wacko: :6

Have you people noticed that he CHANGED when he moved to Canada? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I believe for him to MOVE to Canada, these missionaries in Toronto must have 'sponsored'(clue:$$$+Visa) him in one way or another.Once, contact between them was established. These people must have raised certain questions on DG that Darshan could not answer. Influenced by the 'missionary mentality' I believe he did what he did. He must have been manipulated by them in one way or another as these missionaries have never had a well KNOWN figure on their side. I know this for sure as people from "missionary minded" individuals have tried to do their parchar on me personally. When one cannot answer them :excl: , they will tell you that you should BELIEVE what THEY are telling you...because that has to be the reasonable explanation. :rolleyes: This is also a reminder to all people who hold unconditional sharda/faith in certain individual/babas/deras....That people CAN fall :excl:

for a quick one, dass would recommend : Sri Choupee Sahib! anything which is not Gurbani is not recommended at all. Kachi bani is aporan(impefect) & will remain imperfect.

^as far as I know, only amritdharis use to do sewa of langgar in Darbar Sahib now it has changed sadly. 12 or so years ago, you would NOT even see a non amritdhari serving langgar at darbar sahib.

There were a handful of Nihangs actually did do panthic sewa in 1984. They were from Bidhi Chand Faction & Tarna Dal(am not sure of which of the 2). So please dont paint all with them same paint. There were some shaheeds from these above 2 mentioned Nihang factions. Budh Dal=none. (as they were under Santa Singh's leaderships)

The news is fake! The singhs arrested are those who got injured in Ludhiana Kaand, these Singhs were picked up from their houses.NO babbar Singhs have been arrested. INDIAN media is spreading lies.

^baseless lies! U call others fanatics ? when urself a DERAVAAD cum snatan "sikhi" F-A-N-A-T-I-C what was ur deras contribution in 1984 till today? (wait...you also have an explanation for this also right? :huh: ) if you dont know any babar singhs personally, I suggest you shut up. Because I do.I know what hardship they went through and I know their asools too. :excl: or go back to the site of which you are the admin of:sikhawareness and hold discussions with all like minded people like yourself. because sikhsangat is quite neutral, which is your inability.

^the only fascist here you! No proper Babbar singh would plant a bomb to kill innocents in the first place.They are well aware of gurmat sidhants in war. and you expect "HINDUstantimes" to give accurate reporting?

This is jus unacceptable!!!! Texas Court, shockingly, orders destruction of a Temple Posted on July 18, 2010 under Austin, Texas: Sikhs are shocked and outraged at a ruling by a Texas Court of Appeals ordering that the only Sikh Temple (Gurudwara) in Austin, Texas be torn down. Austin Gurdwara Sahib (AGS), a non-profit, Sikh organization purchased land in West side of the Greater Austin area in 2003 to start the first permanent Gurudwara in the Capital City. For years, religious services were hosted weekly in a manufactured home located on the property. In 2005, to improve the facilities, AGS, with the congregation’s support, decided to build a more contemporary building. In this regard, AGS applied for, and was granted, all the necessary permits from the city. The approval process from the city included meetings with Planning & Zoning committees as well as the City Council at large. AGS also met with and provided full disclosure to the neighborhood association. The construction commenced in late 2007, and the members of the Austin Sikh community celebrated laying the initial foundation stone of the first Sikh temple of its kind in Austin. However, the festive mood came to an abrupt stop immediately after the foundation had finished in Feb 2008, when the Bolliers filed for an injunction against the construction. John and wife Leslie, who is an attorney, were relative newcomers to the neighborhood arriving about 3 years after AGS had been using its property for religious services. Citing to the deed restrictions, the Bolliers argued vehemently against the construction of the Sikh Temple on the grounds that it would be an eye-sore and a traffic magnate, and would lower their property’s value. By agreement, AGS and the Bolliers agreed to cease construction until the issue was resolved by the trial court. In March 2009, the case was heard by Honorable Judge Susan Covington in the 353rd Judicial District in Travis County Texas. Over the course of several days, the court heard evidence presented by both sides, and rendered an informed decision denying Bollier’s request for an injunction and further ordered them to pay 80% of the associated court costs. In fact, the plantiff, Leslie Bollier, was cited for inequitable conduct in connection with the AGS use of the property. After the trial court’s favorable ruling, AGS proceded to complete the Temple construction over the next few months. Meanwhile, not satisfied with the trial court’s decision, Bolliers filed an appeal. In July 2010, months after the construction of the Temple was complete, the Appellate Court reversed the lower court’s ruling. In fact, it went so far as to order the completed structure to be torn down! Sikhs around the world and shocked, saddened, and flabbergasted by such an unjust ruling. The AGS intends to vigorously appeal and ask the court to reconsider its decision. A website www.SaveGurudwara.com has been set up to provide updates on the matter as well as to collect donations for the legal fight. Source: Austin Gurdwara Sahib, 5104 Avispa Way, Austin TX 78738 | Email: AustinGurdwara@Gmail.com. http://sikhsangat.org/2010/07/texas-court-shockingly-orders-destruction-of-a-temple/ Facebook group started by the Gurdwara Sahib: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=143020612377913&ref=ts join!

Anyone with a FB account please make the effort to report this account please. With enough reports FB does take action. Dhanvaad! the few friends this person has in their list, points out that this person might be from the UK nang circle...but thats my assumption.

this is not the first time either. :rolleyes: Regardless, nindaks of Naamis never spend spend peaceful lives.

unbelievable! hope Bhai Sahib recovers soon.....

Piarey DERAVADIO , no matter what you try to say in defence of $$$$$ minded pakhandi so called 'parcharak' .The Truth will remain the truth. I know how much your BABA charges $$$$$$ for singing kachi bania alone. If that is not enough, his QUESTIONABLE character is clearly visible here: even if you dont agree with the news, the evidence shown is still clear. Any Guru-fearing gursikh will in no way put a basket in-front of him for others to put MONEY in & allow other to bow in-front of him. This papi cant even liberate himself from pakhand, what to talk about liberating others? You all can choose to rant as much as you want by saying that "I am a nindak of a Mahapursh" and so on.......but you can NEVER change the truth about him... first of all who told you he was a mahapursh? Ranjit Sinh himself? :happy: you people live in your own fantasy bubble and just refuse to get in touch with reality about your fake baba, because it brings disappointments to your blind sharda in your fake baba As far as I know I have not gone against what I believe in my signature. If so prove it You fail to understand because you never learn to use logic on the other hand, why not follow Radhasoamis also, their parcharaks are quite charismatic and promise many spiritual benefits? you call the truth as ninda because it is not inline with your blind faith in your fake pretentious baba. a diseased body can cured by medicine, a deravaad mentality just has no cure!

as far as I know I didnt attack any individual. Just raised an important trend among $$$$$ minded so called 'parcharaks' who name their missions as "Gurmat Parchar." ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਲ ਬੋਲਨਾ ਹੀ ਬੇਕਾਰ ਹੈ ! ਗੁਰਮਤ ਦੀਆ ਗੱਲਾ ਤੇਥੋ ਬੋਹੁਤ ਸੁਨਿਯਾ ਨੇਂ, ਪਰ ਆਪਣੀ ਹੋਉਮੇ ਨੂ ਹੀ ਜਿਤ ਨਹੀ ਸਕਿਯਾ , ਬਾਸ ਲੋਕਾ ਨੂ ਬੈਹਸ ਰਹੀ ਹੀ ਜਿੱਤਣ ਵਿਚ ਲਗੇਯਾ ਰਹੇਯਾ ਹੈ . ਇਹ ਭੀ ਕੋਈ ਜੀਵਨ ਹੈ?

^woah defensive ....take a deep breath and cool down ji :happy: .....why not > reflect< on the truth behind what dass has said? 1) Is it true..?? Yes, it is. 2) Is it necessary ..?? Yes it was. Do u know an amrit sanchar has not taken place in Indonesia in 30 years? There are plenty Gurughars there. Recently people who promote jhatka have started doing their 'amrit sanchars'. You will be shocked to hear the kind of parchar these people do. e.g. you can choose not to do your nitnem if u dont have time. (they are an organization calles SNSM from malaysia-same parchar is also done in Malaysian camps) Thailand, sad to to say but... :sleep: Naamdharis in Bangkok have more Gursikhi related asools in their lives compared to the Punjabis there. Malaysia has nearly 100 Gurdwaras..Sikhs are nearly 80,000-100, 000, none of these 'big shots' have been seen there unless a big bundle of $$$ is given to them by local organizers. There are 7 Gurdwaras in Singapore, but Sikhi has almost dieing there. I know this as I have spend time there. If people do come, they come because the currency in Singapore is BIG. Pakistan-those who have been there know what I am talking about. 3) Will it hurt anybody..?? people who are sant samaj supporters and like minded individuals will be. If highlighting facts is unacceptable to some, then teach me of another way phrasing these facts without 'offending' anyone. Because, as far as I know. Facts remain as FACTS. for your info, I from the SEA region so I know what I am talking about ..... I mean VERY well:) even the parbandaks in these countries. am also aware of how much $$$$$ these people ask for. so tell me, what is the motivation for these people to do parchar? $$$$$ or spreading Gursikhi? and I smile because I didnt post with any malicious intentions in heart ...again>>> !

interesting to note that Babas can alway reach Canada/UK/US/Australia :excl: without failure :excl: "to do parchar" . when none can be seen coming to countries like Pakistan,Kenya, Malaysia,Singapore,Thailand, & Indonesia "to do parchar".. where there are SIKHS but the currency ..lets say is smaller :rolleyes: Funny isn't it? or its just not F-U-N-N-Y anymore??? :|

SANT is a very ambiguous word. Here is a proper explanation(read reply by Kulbir Singh) which explains in what context this word has been used in Gurbani. The word SANT in Gurbani

^yes the Gurdwara Sahib is opposite the Singapore General Hospital.

disappointing :sleep: & sad :sad: veer ji keep in mind its India not the west, western standards of accountability dont exist there....

If something can be done to do Parchar of Naam, to bring the message of SatGuroo Nanak Dev ji to a regular person in simple language. That would be good too!

this was NOT me.

^Bibi ji, your reply is SPOT ON!. :) :) :) :) :) especially the Firm conviction to do nitnem & Sri Sehaj Paath Sahib part :D

always wondered why this gurdwara was soooooo expensive for people to hold any sort of smagams/programs. now I know why :rolleyes:

GPS, get a L-I-F-E ... seriously

for those going to the Canada one...let us all know how it went! :D