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I was watching the Rajya Sabha proceedings myself yesterday and it was obvious maggots in BJP and Congress just didnt want the law to get passed by hook or crook. Because corruption IS their SOURCE of income. 1 more thing we can learn from this saga is. EVEN WHEN THE RIGHT PERSON WITH THE RIGHT INTENTIONS comes in into India politics to do something productive, the corrupt are hell bent on NOT allowing it to happen, even if it benefits the public. Lesson: Biggest democracy in the world is also the example of titanic failure of democracy.

Evil 101 Propaganda = Repeat a lie enough times, and everyone will BELIEVE its the truth. But then choose what kind of lie? The word "terrorist" & "terrorism" is a perfect way to DEFINE you opponent to DE-legitimize your opponent from ANY FORM OF RIGHTS, platform & representation anywhere in the world to have their voice heard. Arnab Goswami was calling Baba Jarnail Singh a terrorist who kioned hands with Pakistan on Times Now the other day. Majority of Indian will never blame the army as its seen as being "unpatriotic" :stupidme: There I was thinking. What did Baba jee do to TERRORIZE ? How did he TERRORIZE from Darbar Sahib? Btw, I hope Maggie is rotting in hell for her role in 84. No wonder the troll went cuckoo towards the end of her life. Karma :respect:

I have been to both taksali shop, if they know you're a from abroad. They try to rip you more. Shop number 31 is dhumma owned .

http://www.sikhsiyasat.net/2014/01/07/patna-sahib-clash-six-including-giani-iqbal-singh-injurred-kashmira-singh-bhuriwale-among-7-named-in-fir/ Patna Sahib, Bihar (January 07, 2014): According to certain media reports at least four persons, including Jathedar of Takht Sri Harimandir Ji, Patna Sahib, Gyani Iqbal Singh; his son Gurprakash Singh; a member of ‘Panjy Payre’ Guru Dayal Singh and one Gurjeet Singh – were injured in a clash between two opponent factions following a dispute over appointment a Jathedar of Takht Patna Sahib. The Hindustan Times (HT) has reported that 4 persons sustained injuries in this incident, where as Zee News and some other media networks have reported that 6 persons were injured in this clash. The violent clash took place at Diwan hall in Takht Sahib premises, which falls under Chowk police station of Patna on Tuesday. Giani Iqbal Singh talking to media after the incident The incident took place today (January 07, 2014) on the occasion of 347th Parkash Gurpurb of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born on January 7, 1666 at Patna Sahib in Bihar. People in large numbers from across the world had reached Patna Sahib to participate in Parkash Gurpurb Samagams. As per information the violent clash took place at around 9 am soon after the announcement of the fresh nomination of additional Jathedar of Takht Sahib as Pratap Singh, head granthi of Nader Sahib. The two groups clashed soon after the announcement. Patna SSP Manu Maharai said, on the basis of the statement of Giani Iqbal Singh and others, FIR has been lodged against Kashmira Singh ‘Bhuriwale’ from Punjab and six others in this connection. “The matter is being investigated,” he added. The injured have been admitted to hospital. “Keeping in mind that the grand celebration of Guru Maharaj and thousands of devotees from different states and overseas had gathered at Patna Sahib, it was quite unfortunate. It would send a bad image of the city and the state as the whole program was being telecast live on electronic media in the whole world,” said Manindar singh, a devotee from Singapore. Iqbal Singh, 55, said that he was shocked to know how the Prabandhak committee nominated additional ‘Granthi’ without taking my consent. “As I stood up, around 150 persons allegedly from Punjab, suddenly attacked us with swords and lathis and even pushed me from the stage along with my son,” said Giani Iqbal Singh Takht general secretary, Charanjeet Singh said, “I had not removed jathedar Iqbal Singh and we want an additional ‘Jathedar’. Pratab Singh, of Nader Sahib, has a good experience and qualifications for the post. In fact, we need seven to 10 ‘Granthis’ for 350th celebration’,” he added. Keeping your irritation with the Indian media 1 side. Such things are just unacceptable at a Takht Sahib.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/Scuffle-between-two-factions-inside-Patna-gurudwara/videoshow/28510427.cms

If I listened to you and started "googling" fishy things, then what difference is there between me and you. Am not going to bother to do so nor am I interested in whatever article/pic/audio/video is there you are trying to get me to search. Let others who do it, see it by themselves, what YOU google for in REAL LIFE ...and come over to sikhsangat and become a "preachy gyani". I have to say..... the amount of crap in your head has increased exponentially over the past 10 years.

seriously :blink2: anyone who knows you well, would know not to :tease: buy :tease: you "stories" & self indulgent post seriously. But, yeah ..thats if they know about you well :cool2:

keep dreaming :angeljump: Khalistan will never come into existance even in your great grandchildrens lifetime...what to talk about in your lifetime :stupidme:

I have no issues witn Naam and Bani, I wonder why you like to come to your own wild conclusions? Its not like you have a great jeevan and puts Gurbani's essence into practice in your dailly life.(obvious from your deeds from the past that I am aware of) unlike you I dont waste year after year of my life on forums , to fill the "hollowness" in your own soul by 'finding debates' on forums to lecture others on a daily basis. You are still the same pathetic forum addict as you were years ago. Your only modus operandi is "try to innovate stinging sarcasm" to direct at others & builds up lenghty arguement to bury other peoples perspective. seems like without forums you may well fall into depresion.....sigh, addicts :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme:

People here seem to think that being a landlocked country not disadvantage at all. When you are land locked>>>>you depend on your neighbours for access to their land & air space>>>>very vital for the the economy, for trade & commerce with countries around the world. Being dependant on India and Pakistan for this is not ideal, as they will forever use this card to make us give into their demands. People here genuinely think for the long term. And I continously talk about the economy because self empowerment is vital. Punjabis cant even manage Gurughars properly, what to talk about nation? You get emotional and riled up for Khalistan just on the basis that , "we were wronged by Indian Gov, So we deserve Khalistan" . Your basis itself is "not enough".Wake up and smell the coffee and stop being a joker, NO ONE IN TODAYS WOLRD WILL FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND HAND DOWN KHALISTAN ON A SILVER PLATTER TO YOU(a minority) JUST BECAUSE THEY "FELL" YOUR PAIN AND SELF DETERMINATION FOR NATIONHOOD. It doesnt happen in the real world driven by self interest mate! Re-read my 1st post and think on the points I raised. Ask youself, do the Sikhs DESERVE it today? (I am well informed of indian attrocities on us) But if people like on this forum were to administer khalistan, it will be a failed state with a mismanaged economy with no developement and high employment, agriculture nation lacking in natural resources, with no skills in wealth creation(under educated population). Oh wait, THIS IS WHAT PUNJAB IS TODAY! :surrender: :surrender: :surrender:

happens in every country, but minimal is well administered country.(politically and economy wise) punjab is just out of hand.

and you are still hovering in forums(after yearssss) finding enlightenment? :stupidme: since you happen to have R-E-A-D-I-N-G difficulties...will re-quote my self:..

Its interesting how you alway manage to device 'logical' arguements to justify your ILLOGICAL beliefs to defend a dera-cult(neeldhari) yet again.....sigh, you bore me with the same manner as you did 10 years ago...

No Country in the world will build alliance with you unless you will benefit them in one way or another. Politics 101.

mostly youngsters sitting in western countries have strong fantasies of khalistan... Though i supported it in the past....being PRACTICAL now & reflecting on long term survival......the current model of khalistan sounds absurd to me. Why? 1)Sikhs are minority in punjab itself. Punjabis have drifted away from sikhi .(Live a proper 2-3 months in punjab to understand this point). So, a Sikh state with Sikhs being a minority? (5 Piare system will not and cannot be possible, as the authority wont be recognized) Seculars will rule, Sikhi will take a back seat. 2) A land locked country- will make trade difficult affecting the economy, leaving us with a poor economy. Not to mention lack of natural resources. Along with the under-educated current population. The sad thing is, Punjab was an agriculture society and still is one. This is the very reason Sikhs/Punjabis move out of India/Punjab alltotgether for greener postures abroad. 3)Punjabis/Sikh have endless bickering habbits with endless backbitting as we see in punjab.With such prevailing traits and senseless politicking, countries rarely develope vibrant economies. e.g: India (compared to China) 4)Corruption is deep rooted in desis,a progresive economy is not possible with hardcore corruption habbits. 5) Instability will be prevalent, with various Sikh "sectarianism" around.....they will also compete againts each other for political dominance/power. Lets be honest, people from various groups can even get along well on Sikhsangat, what to talk of in a Sikh state(?!?!?!). 6) Delhi Gurdwaras, Patna Sahib and Hazoor Sahib will be seperated from Panth permanantly. Whichever goverment controls it geographically will also control in politically, causing production of dubious hukamnamas and conflicts. Not to mention the Panth severe difficulties for doing yatra there. 7)Clowns sitting in western countries who talk about Khalistan(and ussually the only ones), if Khalistan is formed, majority wont move to it in the first place, who wants to leave the perks of developed western countries have to offer? (and move to a country whose major economy is still agriculture) list is endless,,,shall I continue? 8) The only proper place & Organized in Punjab is Chandigarh, that too is run by Central Gov. Shows lack of leadershil and resolve in Punjabis. Even if there is resolve to bring change, there is no MONEY because corruption eats it away. Ofcourse people are going to hate me, but I am just being PRACTICAL. do reflect on my points and reality.. Deep down I do hope the Khalsa Raaj Bhai Rama Singh jee talk about in his Autobiography comes true....

Neeldharis are a minority, their children have now started to marry outside of the Neeldhari circles....One thing about them is that they are very loaded with $$$(especially the ones in Thailand,Malaysia & Singapore) because many of them are bussines owners. They have money but enjoy no recognition,respect or influence in the Panth.Because they are primarily seen as a cult. They claim to believe in Sree Guru Granth Sahib Jee but have many questionable practices. Their Neeldhari 'Guru'(Satnaam Sinh) who JUST took amrit in 2011 at Maharaja Gardens(Thai headquarters) in Bangkok whereby Takht Jathedaars(corrupt) were flown in to organize and give amrit their Baba and the followers. Surprisingly, their head NOW goes by the title >>>SANT JOGI SATNAAM Singh Jee<<< . Its amazing how he elevated himself to such avastha just right after amrit sanchar. :blink2: :blink2: :blink2: Now their Baba is very closely alligned to Badals in Punjab......can be seen sharing stages wit Badal regularly. They also seem to have bought over Iqbal Singh of Patna. Because Iqbal Sio sucks up to Satnaam Singh sooooooooooooooooo much that he awarded him a Puratan Sree Sahib from treasury of of Takht Sree Patna Sahib.(info is confirmed) 2 good virtues I have seen in them is reading gurbani and sewa. But having heard the katha done by their baba Satnaam Sinh,...even their interpretation of gurbani is fishy to me...... he seemed to indicate(indirectly) throughout the katha that HE IS THAT SANT MENTIONED IN GURBANI, THAT WE NEED TO DO SANGAT AND SEEK GUIDANCE FROM :stupidme: :stupidme: :stupidme:

The amount of time "certain" people waste on this forum is enough to do 1 Paath of Sri Sukhmani Sahib a day. ....not to mention the infinite amount of bakwaas that manifest. sigh! am out of this forum for good.

Moti Mehra was a Sikh of Guru Sahib. There is nothing wrong taking milk from another rehitvaan Sikh.

He calls someone who considers himself EQUAL to SatGuroo Nanak Dev jee as "saint". :stupidme: genuine low life!!!

I didnt threaten to harm you, it is very clear from Kamalroops facebook wall how you copy and paste his manmat and promote it HERE. How you echo support for that nang is also visible on his wall. I am just exposing your mindset & alliance. Now that videos of him are around, you try to distance yourself from him. Hope the admins are clear to you, NO more kamalroop promoting here. :nono: (and exposing him for me)

People like me know what they spread is manmat. People who are uninformed of Gurmat get influenced by it because these manmukhs TRY to sound sincere,logical and convincing to them. Which leads them to the wrong path. If there are hackers on this site, I suggest hacking such sites is just a Panthic Seva....so hack!

Its a difference not kurehit. In your head, you braind registers Taksals version of rehraas as "right". In other people mind the one done in Darbar Sahib is "right". Can your silly argurments change the reality? I know of a Bhai Sahib's sangi who was present there, he told me of their close relationship. You need links because your a keyboard warrior. A patit is someone who had not taken amrit and freely commit all/any of thr 4 bajjar kurehits that alone is enough to not allow one to do sewa in Darbar Sahib. and stop straying the topic...this thread is about Javinder Singh not reading Choupee Sahib How is Bhasauri a danger now?when his ideology heresy has died down with him. No one alive I know follows Bhasauria word by word, if you know, can you show me? I dont like you because you hate in a very toxic way.(and your darn smart on showing a nice face to the world) His teachings died with him. Period. and he died a beymukh from Khalsa Panth. Can you show me a group of people are ardently still follow all of his heretic ideologies??? There is NO ONE.Even missionaries dont admire him. You also fail to acknowledge the good work he did before he went cuckoo.(which shows ur inability to be 'balanced') What is your agenda? Who is that you refer to when you invoke Bhasauria'ism? comes clean with your answers. He didnt believe in Ragmala when he was panthic and also believed in Keshki as Kakkar, I have no doubt you are trying to paint AKJ(without being obvious to the public) are Bhasaurias. Being hatefull towards AKJ is just in your nature.

Can you ask Baba Gurbachan Singh then why did he Partake langgar/water from Bhai Sahib Randher Singh's house , when he himself visited him in his Ludhiana town house? Bevcause Bhai Sahib did the same Rehraas as darbar sahib too. Taksal gursikhs are entitled to believe their interpretation but groups are a minority and will forever remain a minority.(Nanaksar, sampardaik, akj and so on) I choose to abide by the panth when in Doubt. :smile2: and yes, why are you :swing: swinging :swing: on the word "Bhasauria" on a daily basis here? has he possessed :angry2: you?

WOW!

To be honest your statement above very much reflects yourself only.