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From Gurmat Bibek Bijla Singh [ PM ] Rajiv-Longowal Accord on Chandigarh October 24, 2014 08:36AM Recently, BJP has started to advocate Rajiv-Longowal Accord and pushed the demand for transferring Chandigarh to Punjab as it is listed in the accord. But this move of the BJP is not for the benefit of the Punjab State. It will further dwarf the exploited and crippled State. According to the accord, only the capital area of Chandigarh will be transferred not the entire city of Chandigarh. The capital area back in 1985 was significantly smaller and no official document provides any insight on what constitutes the entire capital area and its boundaries. The three member Boundary Commission, presided over by Justice Shah, which demarcated the boundaries of the Punjabi speaking State, decided to award Chandigarh and many important Punjabi speaking areas to Haryana. This was done on the basis of the communal census of 1961. In 1961, the city was inhabited mostly by Government employees, majority of whom were Hindus, who though they were actually Punjabi speaking had got their mother tongue registered as Hindi, on account of communal considerations. However, the Commission’s recommendation to transfer Chandigarh to Haryana was not implemented and the town was kept as a Union Territory, as the capital of both the States and the seat of the common High Court. In exchange, Punjab will have to give up its Punjabi speaking areas to Haryana. This is unjust and unfair in light of the fact that keeping Chandigarh as a union territory was an unconstitutional move to begin with. Chandigarh was built by Punjab Government but now it stays there as a tenant. While elsewhere in the country the state capitals were retained by the parent States, e.g. Bombay in Maharashtra and Madras in Tamil Nadu, Chandigarh was not given to Punjab. The extreme unfairness of the Boundary Commission is indicated by the fact that whereas Simla, the Capital of Punjab from 1947 to 1954 was allotted to Himachal Pradesh, Chandigarh, the new capital of Punjab from 1954 to 1966 was transferred to Haryana. Even the Gobind Sagar lake and the uninhabited area around, though adjacent to Nangal Town and a part of the Bhakra Nangal Project, always administered by Punjab, were not transferred to Punjabi Suba. Haryana was created as a rival State under a scheme of the government to further cause fights and disruptions in the Northern area and to deprive Punjab of its constitutional rights. Whenever Punjab raises a demand for its natural resources, autonomy and Chandigarh, Haryana is always there to oppose such a move and the entire issue turns into a Sikh-Hindu conflict on communal lines. This is observed by S.M Sathananthan (London), K.T. Lalwani (London), S. Raghunath lyenger (Lagos), Prof. G. P. Mansukhani (Bombay), Asha Bhatnagar (Jaipur) et. al. in ‘Hindu-Sikh Conflict In Punjab: Causes and Cure’ by These persons belonging to different professions came all the way from far off places to personally study the Punjab situation. They moved from place to place in the State and met a cross section of the people and concluded as under: Quote "The present Hindu-Sikh conflict is the saddest tragedy of post-partition Indian History. Its genesis lies in a narrow-minded attitude of certain sections of the community, that totally refutes the traditional Hindu virtues of tolerance and understanding. One also wonders, why the Sikhs are always pushed into agitation for their basic constitutional demands, the kind of which were never denied to other States and communities. Why was Punjab the last linguistic State to be formed (10 years late)? Why is Punjab the only state in India whose capital Chandigarh is governed by the Central Government? There are many such unanswered questions which deserve serious probing and full national exposure. Indian news agencies and papers will do well to investigate the reasons for Hindu-Sikh conflict arising from Hindu opposition to Sikh demands, even though their demands were made to the Government (and not to the Hindus of Punjab and Haryana). While most of the Sikh demands are for the welfare of Punjab State, not one demand is anti-Hindu or hurts Hindu sentiments in any way.” During the Punjab (Sikh) agitation, the government tried sham negotiations and expressed its helplessness to appease both Punjab and Haryana. The government knew fully well that Haryana will naturally oppose Punjab’s constitutional demands for transferring control of water and hydel projects and Chandigarh because Haryana loses much of its free wealth it gets from Punjab. Due to Haryana’s opposition, the issue turned into a communal Sikh-Hindu conflict. Instead of talking economic and politics, the government sidetracked the issue to religion. This caused much anti-Sikh violence in Haryana and Punjab. The media played its biased role of siding with the government. The government let the violence spread and then sent in the army under the pretext of maintaining “law and order”. Hundreds of thousands of Sikhs were killed in order to make them submissive and suppress them to the point of never raising their demands ever again. In the meantime, Punjab continued (and still continues) to get exploited of its wealth. The ‘Guardian’, London (June 8, 1984) made a good analysis of this policy of the Prime Minister in the following words: Quote “All through the tangle in Punjab, the Government has preferred to talk religion instead of economics and politics in its dealings with the Akali party, which represents the interests of Punjabi peasants and farmers, the majority of whom are Sikhs. The farmers say, “Give us more of our own river waters to irrigate our fields or refer the matter to the Supreme Court.” The Government replies, “We allow you to broadcast religious music over All India Radio, as for the water we shall appoint a tribunal to give a ruling on the dispute.” The Akalis say, “Chandigarh, which happens to be in the heart of Punjab, should not have to be shared as a capital with neighbouring Haryana. The Government retorts, “But how can we persuade the Government of Haryana to agree!”.... The Akalis say that Punjab and other States throughout India should be given greater economic powers and allowed to manage their own affairs. New Delhi retorts, “This is a talk of secession, it must be inspired by a foreign power.” Much more can be written on the subject. What we need to understand is that the government will never change its policies towards Punjab and the Sikhs. Any move by the government will never bring any benefit to the Punjabi State. It will always have something behind curtains. If the capital area of Chandigarh is given back, Punjab will lose some part of its territory despite the fact that Chandigarh has always belonged to Punjab. BJP, Congress, AAP or any other Indian party will not stand behind Punjab lest the majority Hindu become upset.

haha! not only the dhoof swayed but I also

What purpose do pictures serve in a gurdwara sahib or where maharaj is present, some people including myself at one stage looked upon these as moortis and effectively worshipped photos with dhoof in hand swinging side to side....sheesh, how stupid I feel now. :stupidme: Agree with Koi about the seasons, some Gursikhs if in their means keep the room air conditioned all day and I see nothing wrong with this approach. Said it before, we can never give enough respect to the King of Kings, it will always be less than what mere mortals can provide. Smelly feet can be very distracting in the darbar, I cant imagine why someone would sit on the tabiya and not wash their feet!

Dulla veer Ji - anand maano ji http://www.ikirtan.com/Bhai_Tejinderpal_Singh_Jee/Bhai%20Tejinderpal%20Singh%20Jee%20%28Rakaab%20Ganj%201997%20November%29.mp3

I'm firmly of the opinion that we can only try to protect ourselves, when kirpa and taras is bestowed we become close and at other times we fall into the trap of 'vin danta jag kaiyaa' (maya). Max benefit can be achieved through sangat of people on a higher plane and avoiding attractions that cause us to slip in the first place - harder said than done. As soon as we step out of Anand filled Gurdwara katha and kirtan programme it does not take long for the chors to trap us, and the higher the avastha the larger the personal fall even with the tiniest lapse/dhill. When we have respite, one should try and maximise this time for simran, kirtan and paat. Kirtan can be sung without instruments for those who have not learnt.

Recently a friend shared these videos with me. Well worth watching both, she gives a good insight into Sant Ji's personality and their powers along with accounts of the attack in '84.

some more vids of Prof Ji http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,22158,22158#msg-22158

Jadon Singh ne jakara shadiaa, eh sab papiaan ne poosh farke dhaur janaa!

Used to listen to Mohinder Singh alot in my youth, Vah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rifsJkfMqpk

http://sikhsiyasat.net/2014/10/05/mob-attacks-sikh-gurdwara-in-nagpur-vehicles-burnt-attempt-to-burn-houses/ October 5, 2014 | By Parmjit Singh Nagpur/Maharashtra (Oct. 03): As per media reports tensions prevailed in Nagpur after a mob besieged Sikh Gurdwara in Panchsheel Nagar of Nagpur in Maharashtra. As per a news reported by The Tribune Shiromani Akali Dal Amritsar (Mann) Jaswant Singh Mann said that a Sikh Gurdwara Sahib was besieged at Panchsheel Nagar (Nagpur) in Maharashtra. He said the Gurdwara was surrounded after two groups clashed over a trivial issue. He said the authorities had imposed a curfew in the area. SAD (A) leader further said he had spoken to the police in Nagpur and urged them to ensure the safety of the Sikhs. He said that Mann Dal will soon send a team to Sikh Gurdwara in Nagpur. Nagpur clashes The media reports did not make mention about the reason that causes tentions but the Bhaskar in it’s Nagpur edition has noted that people outrage affected Durgavati Chowk, Panchsheel Nagar, Indaur Chowk, Mahinder Nagar and Barse Nagar. Mobs restored to stone-throwing and burned tyres at various places. The police reportedly restored to lathicharge to overpower the mobs. As per reports some three police personnel also sustained injuries besides several members of the mob. As per reports some miscreants threw stones at Panchsheel Nagar based Sikh Gurdwara Sahib. The mobs also beat-up an old women who was criticizing the mob’s attack on Gurdwara Sahib. The mobs also set afire about four trucks and an ambulance. Miscreants also tried to burn some houses. The police has reportedly sealed “Earlier in July, a Gurdwara was attacked in Saharanpur in UP and a hand of BJP MP was found in the investigations” notes Punjab Time Line (PTL).

Thanks, I received the early news from my mother.

Split as follows: 2300 Baaj 2700 Sher 1000 TPV

Sher group won aka Malhi and Co, TPV took 1000+ votes astounding since they had only joined the fight a few months ago..

Guru Nanak Sahib Ji :biggrin2: ਪੁਛੇ ਫਰਿ ਤਕਰਾਰ ਕਰਿ ਏਹ ਫਕੀਰ ਵਡਾ ਅਤਾਈ ॥ ਏਥੇ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਗਦਾਦ ਦੇ ਵਡੀ ਕਰਾਮਾਤਿ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥ ਪਾਤਾਲਾ ਆਕਾਸ ਲਖ ਓੜਕਿ ਭਾਲੀ ਖਬਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ ॥ ਫੇਰਿ ਦੁਰਾਇਣ ਦਸਤਗੀਰ ਅਸੀ ਭਿ ਵੇਖਾਂ ਜੋ ਤੁਹਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ ਨਾਲਿ ਲੀਤਾ ਬੇਟਾ ਫਰਿ ਦਾ ਅਖੀ ਮੀਟਿ ਗਇਆ ਹਾਵਾਈ ॥ ਲਖ ਅਕਾਸ ਪਤਾਲ ਲਖ ਅਖਿ ਫੁਰਕ ਵਿਚਿ ਸਭਿ ਦਿਖਲਾਈ ॥ ਭਰਿ ਕਚਕੌਲ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਦਾ ਧੁਰੋ ਪਤਾਲੋ ਲਈ ਕੜਾਈ ॥ ਜਾਹਰ ਕਲਾ ਨ ਛਪੈ ਛਪਾਈ ॥੩੬॥ “The Peer debated and came to know that this Faqir is much more powerful. Here in Baghdad he has shown a great miracle. Meanwhile he (Baba Nanak) talked about myriads of netherworlds and skies. Peer Dastgeer asked (the Baba) to show him whatever he had seen. Guru Nanak Dev Ji taking along with him the son of the Peer, melted into thin air. And in a wink of eye visualized him the upper and lower worlds. From the nether world he brought a bowl full of sacred food and handed it over to Peer. This manifest power (of the Guru) cannot be made to hide.” (Vaar 1, Pauri 36)

These ungrateful khanjars will resort to dirty tactics at any given opportunity. They were unable to wipe out Sikhi from India and have conveniently forgotten the gutters they were saved from by the Sikhs from under Mughal Raj, when their families were catapulted out of villages for not converting to Islam and sold or given away from free in bazaars!! :angry2:

Not a pdf but these vids are well worth listening to. All 5 parts are good, but Giani Ji starts talking about Sant Ji from part 3 and into part 4 : A couple of years back I listened to another katha when they talk about Sant Ji from their childhood years and their immense love for Sikhi but am unable to locate at present.

Either a hoax or further propaganda by GOI like they did in the 90s to tarnish the kharkoos!

Let's hope the case is won @ ECHR..

Scotland votes 'No' to independence - bring back Mel Gibson :biggrin2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

Many of the security team in Heathrow are Punjabi's so no problems encountered. Personally I would not travel to a country known for removing dastars and have refused to fly to Poland through work for this very reason.

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np sent you a pm

is that s 60 quid incl postage and does the gatra hold the kirpan in place firmly even when say running?

Although tickets from the UK are generally cheaper to this airport I find the staff more weary of in particular Amritdhari Singh's and single them out for their daft security checks and take forever to make out your identity when looking at the passport, face, passport etc. about 20 times, its really comical but annoying at the same time! Also unsure if they still have this practise in place, but they used to mark luggage for further x-rays with a chalk, so we always kept wet wipes handy and removed them as soon as they came of the belt :lol2: always worked! Airport staff at Amritsar are far more accommodating and from here one can get to most pinds in Punjab within 2-3 hours with the added bonus of flying over Harmandhir Sahib a sight to behold, plus can have darshan there or on the return trip. The only downside is the trip can be longer as no direct flights from the UK and travelling via Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan airlines means sitting in a smoke filled room en route for an hour or two in their respective countries. I hope this has given the OP an element of choice now.

Singh Ji, I dont think you can accuse people without solid evidence, otherwise we enter the territory of Nindya. If this bibi was so shaken by what happened why not confront Thakur Singh in the subsequent diwaans, in fact why would a sister attend a diwaan of a pervert/sex predator if this is the truth..? For the record, I'm not affiliated with any Jatha, Sants etc.