AmarjitKaur

Here is what Gurbani says Gur merai sang sda hai naale simar simar tis sda smaale guru myrY sMig sdw hY nwly ] gur maerai sa(n)g sadhaa hai naalae || My Guru is always with me, near at hand. ismir ismir iqsu sdw sm@wly ]1] rhwau ] simar simar this sadhaa samhaalae ||1|| rehaao || Meditating, meditating in remembrance on Him, I cherish Him forever. ||1||Pause|| and you might have read this too Tu kahe dole paraniya, tujhe rakhega sirjanhaar. Waheguru jo saadee mata de odar vich vee dekhbhal karda, when we are not capable of doing anything, why we get shaken by the tests of life. I know its easy to say for me now, as I am not going through tests. But believe me, I have got my fair share of pain and no guarantee that I won't see again. But only thing I usually pray for is that Guru sahib I know you will be ang sang always, just keep me on path and don't let me forget that you are ang sang when I am in good mental/physical states of my life and also when I am in not so good ones. Guru Sahib help me realize that its just another test and I will survive with your blessings and just don't let me ever loose faith in you.

To OP, Veerji, I understand your situation is falling apart. But don't worry, things won't stay the same in few weeks, months. Just be patient and keep yourself connected to Gurbani to the max. You are in need of max connection to Bani and just do that. Guru Sahib has amazing ways of bringing problems to your life and then taking them away too. "Satgur sikh ka halat palat sware" Focus on this and have faith that above lines are 1000% true. The only thing us humans lack is to become the good SIKH. So you do your part of becoming a good SIKH, Guru sahib ne apna part aap hee kar dena. NO worries. There are no hassals in life for which Guru sahib don't have a solution for. What hurts today, may seem a hidden blessing tomorrow. You are in process of finding a new YOU, more you connect with Bani, more you will enjoy and like the new YOU, you will find. I have said it before, we are horses with shields. we only see whats infront of us. but Guru sahib knows the whole picture. There are new heights Guru sahib wants you to reach. So putting you through this fire, after crossing which you will find new beauty of life, of Guru sahib's leela. They say sona aug cho nikal ke hee nikhrada. So you are just getting your share of the fire. Don't worry, Guru sahib will make sure that you survive and you will tomorrow thank what you went through (many of us thank the fire now that we see the new us after the fire is over and you will too).

jnu nwnku DUiV mMgY iqsu gurisK kI jo Awip jpY Avrh nwmu jpwvY ]2] jan naanak dhhoorr ma(n)gai this gurasikh kee jo aap japai avareh naam japaavai ||2|| Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2|| Guru Raam Daas Ji Raag Gauree ang 306 jn nwnk dws dws ko krIAhu myrw mUMfu swD pgw hyiT rulsI ry ]2]4]37] jan naanak daas daas ko kareeahu maeraa moo(n)dd saadhh pagaa haet(h) rulasee rae ||2||4||37|| Make servant Nanak the slave of Your slave; let his head roll in the dust under the feet of the Holy. ||2||4||37|| Guru Arjan Dev Ji Raag Dayv Gandhaaree 536

eh vee gal sahi aa ke lokee udon tak Gurbani da asra nahi lainde jadon tuk zindgee vich koi sut na vaje. Jadon hee koi dukh aunda, average human runs to Guru sahib directly or to some SANT/Baba inbetweeen. But now if this Sant/BABA is real, he will say Bani paRo te hamesha baNi dee gal karooga, eh nahi kahooga ke dere nu eh de diyo or edan karo jis naal ohda personally naam ucha hunda.

Or people can make conscious choice and listen to only Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee and stop listening to the ones who say "jai ho babe dee" instead of saying "dhan dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee or AKal Purakh or Vaheguru, or Guru Nanank Dev jee or any other Gurus inbetween them or Guru Gobind Singh jee". Yes, Gurbani talks lot about doing sewa of Sants. But real question strikes again, who is real Sant? When in doubt, focus only on SGGSji. The babas who are into making properties, collecting money or any other materilistic things under the name of doing sangat dee sewa layee, definitely are to to doubt. Can't remember the exact line in Gurbani meaning that jihnu gurbani da ras aa giya, uhnu hor ras change nahi lagde. But unfortunately the so called akhautee babe khud rasan kasan vich paye hoye ne, inna ne sangat nu gumrah hee karna, Gurbani ras val thoRo lauNa.

The question I would have for any of these people, no matter whose side they are, "Did any of them do their nitnem that morning or any of the days when they call themselves SIKHS"? Does anybody sitting in Gurudwara sahib knows what shabad Ragi Singhs read that day and what it meant? Most likely answer would be No. Then what for these people build religious places and for what they go there for?? Any point?? Gurudwaras are not Guru's dwaras anymore. They are social clubs, wrestling grounds, function halls, convention centers, stage to be a show-off what you possess and $1 buffet restaurant where even food is for show-off. Stop building these buildings under the name of Gurudwara when you don't even consider it as Guru da Dwara. Does anybody see Guru sahib live amongest all this? Whats the point then??

I can relate to you too bhenji. But with guru sahib's kirpa, never felt weak enough to think of using modern technology to get rid of hair. Yes I have been suggested the same by friends and siblings. Guess what, I take it as a strong point to relate to my father "dhan dhan Guru Gobind Singh jee". I actually feel stronger when people giggle or give me looks. I think that I am committed and this is one way I can show my committment to my Guru. And at the end, as you said, whose happiness is more important, Guruji's or world's?? The answer to me always comes back is "Guruji's". So thats what my strength is and should be of each singh/singhni. Always remember "bhai prapat manukh dehuriya, Gobind milaN kee eh teree bariya". Baaki sabh adamber hai, maya hai, but at the same time, es sabh de vich hee prabh vasda hai.

Well, this is how I like to think about it. There are 24 hours in a day for each and everyone of us. Now what we do with those 24 hours, that is up to us and that is where the solution or the problem lies. if we can just figure out how to use our time constructively, not to only to benefit us physically, mentally, socially, spiritually but to community as well, whole world will be at peace and world will be such a wonderful place to live in. Now you can compare "partying (and all the others things which come along with it e.g. drinking, dancing, gossiping, dressing for it, spending hard earned money on soshewaji)" and "reciting bani, understanding it and finally following it" side-by-side. You can figure out yourself, what will take us where.

I have not read everyone's responses, so sorry if repeating the solution. I think UK people in general are too busy partying. We all work or study during the week and starting friday eve through sunday afternoon there is a time to relax. So people tend to organize parties or go to parties. IF that time of the week, somehow could be used to attract the youth towards listening to Gurbani, having discussions, workshops that could help. The idea would be the so called "who wanna help" should arrange for keertan darbars (could be small between their friends only) and then sit together discuss, or listen keertan together or watch Sikhism related movie together. Get those monkey minds to focus on Naam, bani somehow than bunch of beers at pubs or at parties where the mind would go on free ride and end up falling in wrong hands. Volunteer at gurudwaras and encourage your friends to come with you. Take on some special sewa (e.g. thorough cleaning of Kitchen of gurughar etc.) and encourage your friends to join you. Don't tie yourself to one Gurudwara sahib. Do the same at other Gurudwara the next month. Have a Sukhmani Sahib or 5 Japuji Sahib or any other bani to be recited together in a group at one person's home and encourage friends. And above all, when you see or notice some friend is slipping into wrong hands, be there for her and try to make her feel belonging to community. What I have noticed that lot of people are looking for that feeling of belongingness. Its this lonely feeling that makes them step in wrong directions lot of times. Do ardas for your friend or neighbour's daughter. A step by girl in wrong direction, is not only loss to her or her family, but to the panth as well. Remember, it could have been your friend, your sister or your daughter.

Here is what i can suggest. When you have these angry thoughts of doing something bad to somebody. Get on computer. Open a word document or open email with nobody's email address in "To" window or put your own address. Then keep typing all the thoughts you have. after some writing, either you will just think its stupid to even think of doing what you feel like doing or you would successfully take your anger out and then at the end either delete everything you wrote or just email to yourself. If you tend to read repeatedly what you wrote, then please do delete it permanently, you don't wanna go insane reading your anger thoughts. It has worked lot of times for me when I am mad at someone and I know by letting my anger out at the person I will spoil things even further. And its not at all healthy to keep your anger feelings bottled up inside you. Eventually, it will lead to some physical/mental problems. Yes, you don't wanna do what you think either, so this approach of getting the feelings out on piece of paper or computer screen would work. And remember, we do collect karma not only by taking bad actions but to some extent by thinking of bad actions too.

To lot of problems (actually to all of them) the simple answer is ardas deep down from your heart and then have more than 100% faith that he is going to listen and solve your affairs. That's all you need.and then let Guru Sahib do its wonders. He always does. Its us humans who think I can do this or that. I can make things happen this way or that. That's where we lose, confidence on ourselves than having faith in Guru sahib.

not that i can help you, but arenot you putting too much detail here. It won't be hard to figure out about you who you are and plan to hide money, if you already put so much here. Be careful.

Thats shocking and sickening to take someones life in your hands. I don't know what could have led to decide to treat another human like this. But it is for sure, that GOD is not happy with whatever you did, whoever did it. Rest in Peace, Gagandeep Singh. May God give courage to family/relatives/friends to bear the loss of their beloved. My prayers go for the mother who lost a son, sisters who lost a brother, kaum who lost a sikh. No other human can fill that void which was created tragically. I just wrote another post, about saying "you reap what you sow". Whoever sowed this tragedy, are not going to reap a seat in Sachkhand for sure.

Here is scenrio to imagine for yourself. Imagine you are a parent to a boy. he does something bad. Lets say he messes up your computer. He says sorry to you and then again few days after messes up again. You tell him I told you not to touch it and you did it again.And then you spent time fixing your computer. and he did it again and again.Now, I know being a human you don't have a patience. But believe it or not, GOD has unimaginable patience. Coming back to imaginary situation, you are being exhausted of fixing the computer and probably will just put it out of your kid's reach now. But kid will find something else now (as kids who are trouble makers, its not only one thing they mess or not listen to, its the attitude that have problem and they would mess up something else, as its their energy which needs focusing or need to channelize properly). So now coming to your real life situation (be it messing up with other gender, doing drugs, or anything else). God is not being hurt in this scenerio. But you are. God has lot of patience for you to get better. But if you don't improve, its you who are hurting yourself. Think it this way that if this imaginary kid of yours don't mess up your computer even if its infront of him, won't you just love your kid more now seeing that he cares about you, listens to you what you say, respects for your time and respects for the hard work you do to buy new computer or get it fixed. Thats how GOD is. GOD would just love you more, and will give you opportunities to grow in a constructive way, if you just learn how to use what he has already given you. No, God won't hate you. God won't keep grudges against you, but yes, your karma are the seeds you are sowing and they would bring the fruit based on what you sow today. Time never comes back, what you have done you have done and created a karma (good or bad). Based on that you will have your future. So then why not make a conscious choice and sow the seeds accordingly. I am writing above very generalized, as you have not put the exact situation, neither do you have to. So please apply accordingly.

Please listen to this. Its audio of book Written by Sant Sewa Singh Rampur khere vale. http://www.gurbaniupdesh.com/multimedia/downloads.php Definitely listen to Prabhu bakhshash-Kes and while you there, listen to smajik kuritian as well. It shows which way we are leading.

wjkk wjkf to all, I havn't been active for a while on this forum. And look where I enter from, Gupt section. My favorite. Anyways, so looks like you got the sangat's opinion and not single one of above posters said to go for this guy and put down your parents who raised you, made you capable of standing against their own wishes. I often get an interesting dream early in the morning. Part of me, knows I have to get up and part of me wants to just sleep and keep enjoying the dream as something interesting is about to happen. Eventually I have to face the reality and get up. Then I think about a dream for a while during the day, but as day goes by. I forget and I realize that it was just a dream and reality is what I am living. Hope you got the answer from my above lines. Forget the guy, forget the chat with him or calls. Life is so precious that it shouldn't be wasted for people begging you, it should be rather spent for meaningful things. And BTW, how do we define MAYA. Anything or anybody or any situation that makes you forget or take you away from waheguru. THIS IS infact taking you away from your NITNEM or concentration in life in general. SO you got it girl. ITS maya. Do ardas to Vaheguru to keep you above maya and connect you to wahegurujee through your nitnem, through respecting your parents, obeying them, working hard etc. etc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37423004/Prof-Sahib-Singh-Gurbani-Vyakarn-Gurbani-Grammar

http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0001.html Prof. Sahib Singh's teeka.

First of all, I was using myself as an example only, the bad type of example. was trying to tell you that I am no proper Sikh and I don't personally think one can say that I am proper sikh. secondly, i have a request to make. Next time, you have Darshan of Guru Sahib (Ist jot), could you please ask Guru Sahib this "Guru Sahib, is there any difference between you or other 9 Gurus who came after you, and how about Guru Gobind Singh jee. And Should I listen to your teachings of Naam Japna, kirat karni and vand Chhakna, meditating on Naam etc. or should I follow 10th Guru Sahib as well who said Singh sajo, panj kakkar de dharni baNo, panj piyariyaan ton khande dee pahul chhukko, te ATLEAST panj baniya da nitnem karo." And if Guru Sahib said, NO, forget Guru Gobind Singh jee, just stay the way you are and focus on yourself and your meditation and being good person only. If Guru Sahib said, Bani is important, but Bana is not. Come back here and Tell me honestly. But if Guru Sahib said "NO, follow what Guru Gobind Singh gave to his sikhs as well as he is the same light that has been passed on to 10th Guru, then you don't have to come here and tell me, but please do listen to Guru Sahib in your dreams and follow. Do not pick and choose what fits into your life style and what not. And how lowly I could be that I never had Darshan of Guru Sahib and how fortunate you are that you have had darshan of Guru Sahib.

sorry to spoil you guys dream. But I couldn't stop. First of all, why I smell ego (statement saying "I am a proper sikh"). I can't say that about myself. I measure myself daily according to Gurbani and fail each and every moment. And my comparison is not my fellow sikhs who are themselves trying to walk on the path of Guru Nanak Dev sahib jee and now according to the light of Him in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee. My measurement is against what Guru Sahib says in SGGSji. and of course I fail. But koshish jaari hai with God's grace, may be one day. Please look into the definition of who is proper SIKH. You might wanna read about jeevan of Baba Deep Singh jee, Bhai Mani Singh jee, Bhai mati Das jee, Bhai diyala jee, and from latelst century, Bhagat Pooran Singh jee from Pingalvara and countless more. In my eyes, you fail right there, when you say I am not amritdhar. WHY NOT?? Whats stopping you from taking that Guru's blessings whom you love so much. and you didn't even mention you wanna be. I am married, but suppose I was not, and I came in touch with you somehow and I asked you a question, if you wanted to take Khande dee pahul and you answered "NO". You were going to be rejected by me right there. No matter you are would-be-surgeon or a doctor or lawyer or a big business man. You can't follow what Guru demands, and then you can't be a suitable partner for me. But let me remind you, I am married and to a amritdhari. We both might not be best sikhs or proper sikhs according to your definition of proper sikh, but We are committed to Guru and given our heads to Guru and Guru comes first before any worldly knowledge or experience or gain. Through your post, I smelled ego through each word. ego of you being better and none else to compare to you. WHY compare with others?? There are very proper sikhs even in this century around you, but you are looking at wrong people to compare yourself with.

When there is onkarh under haha, then they always speak like hoRa matra slightly (onkarh is a laghu matra, so don't spend lot of time saying it, means, you are supposed to say it slightly, having matra sometimes serves the purpose that you spend more time on the alphabet before than that one). meaning wise, I have no clue yet, how it changes the meaning. I have long way to go yet. For sihari, most of the time speaks for eeree and haha as a "lavan" matra the way we say in English "hey" if there was lavan matra on Haha. Similar case with eeree sihari, speaks as laye, even though lavan is a deergh matra but sihari is laghu matra, which tells you how much you need to stress it or prolong the matra or not. Most of other times onkarhs and siharies are silent or slightly said to decrease the prolongation of that word but they do change the meaning of the word big time, which again I have no clue yet. hope it helps. If I am wrong, other members, please do take the pains to correct me.

all you need to do is my friend is to take your mind off of this subject now. Pick some favorite book and start reading or make commitment that you are going to learn the meaning of what is Ardas. Listen to 5 different people about ardas. There are many many more kathakars talking about it. I have heard atleast 2. And then next move on to what is the Chaupai sahib about. and again same thing, listen to few kathakars on Chaupai sahib. And twe parsad sweiye and then Sohila sahib and then anand sahib and then Japuji sahib and then rehraas sahib and then jaap sahib in about a week or so you will know what are you reading when you do ur nitnem. Isn't that some achievement? Instead of sitting feeling bad about something you can't do much about anyways, you will make your time worthwhile. Give it a shot. I went in a particular order as how easy banis are easy to grasp, according to what I think.

I had not seen this thread till now somehow, otherwise could have commented on the first day. Well to comment in general. At times, we start to see our life tied to one thing and we keep hoping what we want, and when things don't happen in our way, we suffer. We cry, we feel depressed etc. etc. Many times I have commented before too that we are like horses having those pads in front of our eyes. All we see is what is infront of us and within short distance only. We don't see the bigger plan, we don't imagine ourselves in few years, all we see is imagined happiness we would get after we have a partner or kids or whatever else we want in life. we don't see the other things attached with it. The grass always looks greener on the other side. And we forget that we came to this earth as human and there is reason for human life. We could have been ground worms and could have got trampled by some human or some vehicle or so. the breaths we got as human we are wasting them worrying about things which are not under our control and we are not doing which is under our control (NAAm japna). And let me tell you my secret. I don't ask GOD to give me what I want. I usually beg to GOD saying that I feel for this or that, but GOD as i am only a blind child of yours who don't have a big sight to see everything, please make it happen only if you think its right for me. And actually you being my parent, already know whats good or bad for me and you will do only good for me anyways without even me asking for it, could you please give me the wisdom to just accept what you send in my way and give that eye to see that there must be something good in what you sent for me (even if it is me being sick or my kid gets sick) and even if it does not seem right to me at the moment. And from experience I can comment, that before I met my husband, 12 years ago, I have met many guys before him. As others said, I went through my share of ups and downs accepting the denials of others or me not being able to say yes as not getting good enough match. but today, I DONOT regret not marrying even one of those guys. I am happy the way things eventually turned out. I am better sikh today because of whom I married. I could have been more rich, more glamouros type or whatever other things but I would have moved away from sikhi because of whom I married and in result could have forgotten why I came on this earth as a human. To me, none of those zindgee de ras matter to me now which I could have got marrying those people. And the way things kept turning towards the way I am now, I see GOD's plan now, which I was not aware of at that time. I am still not aware of GOD's game for me for my future, for my kids, for my finances. But I have a faith. I trust waheguru to take care of me well as long as I don't forget waheguru. A man is dead everysecond when he/she has forgotten the waheguru. and we go through these deaths every day. Why make this death long lasting by keeping our mind occupied with worrying thoughts or depressing thoughts. But instead why not invest this time in reciting waheguru waheguru waheguru dhan waheguru. and Gurbani ta kahindee sikh nu, ke tu mera ho jaa, tere saare dhande waheguru jee aap hee sort out kar deNge. so chinta kiyon?? depression kiyon?? sikh dee hamesha chardi kala hoNee chahidee aa dhaindee kala hundi hee odon aa, jadon sikh nu naam visar jaave.

Just few of my comments from my own experience. We all are on sine curve. We have peaks and lows. In the beginning these peaks and lows are very sharp and lead us to being very hyper at times and very depressed at times when valley hits and hits pretty quickly. And with time and with understanding while contempating on Gurbani, this sine curve starts to have waves with not so quick and not so deep valleys and not so high peak points, but it starts to have less of a slope now. If we were all brahmgiyanis or Saints, we will have a straight line without any slopes upwards or downwards, but we are not. So we are still going to have some peaks and valleys, but they won't be sharp and they won't be changing quickly. What other people say +vely about you or negatively about you, won't matter any more. You will do things just because they are right thing to do, not because somebody put a stamp to be accepted or rejected. And don't worry it will come with time. you are just sharing your views, opinions about what you have learned from life. And we are all learners, even the people who have taken amrit. The only difference I see is that people with Amrit have registered themselves in a school and follow the discipline (atleast are supposed to) of sikhi school but people who havn't yet but have tons of love and respect and yearning for Amrit, are in a wait list of the sikhi school. They will get Amrit, when the right time comes. (the only thing they can do is beg for it to be sooner than later as you won't want to die NI-GURA, and death doesn't give a call before coming). So without doubts in your mind, keep writing if thats what you feel like. YES, ego is the worst thing as gurbani says that ego and naam can't stay at same place as they oppose each other. So when you get praise, give the credit to Gurusahib as you won't be able to write a single line if Guru Sahib was not on your side. And when you get -ve criticism, then don't let it get you down either but use it constructively and write even better next time. As it says in our Moolmantar in the beginning of Gurbani, its all Gurparsad. so ego should come down. And why are you getting gurparsad, it may be because of your some previous karm, bhagati which is making you do this or Guru sahib has some plan for you and He is making you write these articles to get you somewhere special. Its an evolving process. We all go through some evolution to get where we are and even what we going through now is also to get us somewhere else, whether its good or bad (at this time we may think it as bad or good, as we are shortsighted only, we can't look at life as a broader picture and we can't picture ourselves as a part of broader picture either). Stay in Chardi Kala always. times you feel depressed, say this "Gur merai sang sda hai naale, simar simar tis sda samale". This is my forever mantra, true in each kind of situation.

The solution is simple. Get connected to sikhi yourself. I see him as being disappointed in you guys. The bad part is that being father he can control what you guys do. But he is choosing to just not bother with it and make his own manukha janam safla by reciting banis (I amnot saying if it will happen as haumai nave naal virodh hai..... ego and naam dont stay under the same roof, just incase he is guilty of that and even if he does naam jap, it won't get him anywhere). But my suggestion would be to fill in the gap you guys have. Recite bani yourself. Leave the unsikhi things you do as you mentioned. Go to gurudwara regularly. Kirat karo, naam japo and vand chhuko. This will benefit you thrice. One it will bring you closer to your dad. Secondly, it will bring you closer to Guru sahib and thirdly, it will connect you to yourself. and even forth, that you will find peace in general in your daily life. The solution is simple. Get connected to sikhi yourself. I see him as being disappointed in you guys. The bad part is that being father he can control what you guys do. But he is choosing to just not bother with it and make his own manukha janam safla by reciting banis (I amnot saying if it will happen as haumai nave naal virodh hai..... ego and naam dont stay under the same roof, just incase he is guilty of that and even if he does naam jap, it won't get him anywhere). But my suggestion would be to fill in the gap you guys have. Recite bani yourself. Leave the unsikhi things you do as you mentioned. Go to gurudwara regularly. Kirat karo, naam japo and vand chhuko. This will benefit you thrice. One it will bring you closer to your dad. Secondly, it will bring you closer to Guru sahib and thirdly, it will connect you to yourself. and even forth, that you will find peace in general in your daily life.