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Yes there is a 1980 edict from the Akal Takht which clarifies the issue of meat. As long as it is jhatka then eat what you want. In Pakistan the Sikhs untouched by the RSS inspired propaganda contnue to practice Jatka. It is only in India that the RSS funded 'baba' have been able to brainwash Sikhs into thinking meat eating is a big no no. I know some of the young blood (and admin who have no real respect for hukumnama issued by panj piare) will claim xyz but watch how they run around to enforce the eat langar on floor hukumnama yet ignore hukumnama like the one on meat as it does not fit in with their brahmin inspired propaganda. Yes meat is not a very good thing to eat and become vegetarian if you want but do not pretend it is a religious requirement.

Baba Ji was at the forefront of the struggles in the 80s. Despite his age he was not scared to lead from the front. He was very close to Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. You can read more about Baba Ji at: www.rampurkhera.net

Yes of cause these freshies are great, I have lost count of the number of marriages they have broken so they can find a women who can give them indefinite leave in UK by marrying them. I know of others who rent property from Gurdwara and bring prostitutes to these houses. How great they are...they are up there with Massa Rangar as he used to bring prostitutes to Gurdwara property. There have even been cases of these freshies trying to pick up girls at gurdwara. Also they tell lies as if they were representing india in a olympic competition to see who can tell the most lies. They are also very patriotic to India and have forgotten abut 84 as if it was a fairy tale.

This is a serious assertion. Do you have more information on this? I think it would be useful to post this as a separate topic (not in this topic). Also, I wonder if the rules of this forum allow you to name the bad shopkeepers you've had contact with. I once had a shopkeeper try to convince me that a bog-standard (but rusted) tega was a puratan shaster dug up out of Rajasthan or somewhere. There is only one shop (maybe shop 13 or 14) near Gurudwara Dukhniwaran Sahib which claims to be the DDT shop. I expected more from a DDT shop but found he was no better than the badals in that he would tell lies to make money. I am not 100% sure if it is a pucca DDT shop but all the locals refer to it as the Taksal shop. With regards to Mokhan Su, the RSS meetings are an open secret and he does not deny this. The Poola nang thing is no secret either, the question as t who allwed poola nang to pick up DDT students from Gurdwara Gurdarshan Parkash has still to be answered by Mr Mokham. Now people asking questions about the BSSF about their stance on panthic matters. When Poola nang was raping young girls and drinking alcohol in the Gurdwara he had occupied what did Dhadrianwala or the rest of the 'Baba' in the Sant Samaj do? NOTHING. With all their resources the Sant Samaj Baba could easily have filed public interest litigations to put pressure on the police to sort out Poola but they kept silent on the issue...Why? We all know who stood shoulder to shoulder with Col. Sandhu to get Poola out of the Gurdwara and into prison and the subsequent mahan seva undertaken by the two "Roda Phoda". All these people like Dhadrianwala and Mornowala now showboat on stage and use the name of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji, shame they do not have the backbone to sort out those like Poola who did beadbi every day when he was drinking and raping minors in a Gurdwara. As Rupinder Singh stated no good using the name of Baba Ji if you can't use what he stood for (in particular the Sipahi aspect of Sikhi that Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh stood for and attained Shaheedi for).

If one wishes to include the name of Sant ji, then one should adopt the principles that Sant Ji preached. Sant Ji is not a commodity that is used to market ones latest album. How hypocritical to promote what Sant Ji stood for one day and be something else the next day. BSSF you are just jumping on a bandwagon here. Your naivety as a self proclaimed official panthic voice shows here. Where have your opinions been over the last 2 years since your supposed inception? Come to think of it, where have all the bandwagon jumpers opinions been over the last 12 months on any panthic issue? I find it hilarious that so many new official voices are crawling out from underneath rocks to discuss how a manufactured Bhangra singer Babbu Maan is a new voice for the kaum. Even Sant Jarnail Singh Ji's name is now being dropped in this. Got to agree with Rupinder Ji on this. It is not only singers who should stop hijacking Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji's name. The likes of wife deserter moronwala should also stop using it for grandstanding on stage. Same for Dhadrianwala no good sitting on stage and using the good name of Baba ji when you can't even be bothered to take on the centre or punjab sarkar and do as Sukhbir Badal tells you. When you stop morchas against the Sirsa pakhandi on the say so of Sukhbir Badal you lose the right to use the name of mahan shaheed Gursikhs who never cowed to any punjab sarkar or even central sarkar. They should be prepared to take on the centre and punjab sarkar over panthic issues. Likewise lets see them follow the example of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji and use offerings for panthic sewa and travel in ordinary jathebandi buses so that maximum resources could be used for panthic needs. Also lets stop a certain printer in Punjab that is commercially profiteering from the Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji car stickers likewise lets stop Bittu (who surendered and invited a police cat to his wedding) from using the name Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji on stage. How dare a turncoat government sell out use the name of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. Also lets stop the liar at the so called Taksal shop in Patiala from selling things with images of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji on. A few weeks ago I went to the shop asanother shopkeeper claimed they had swords from the Nihang shoney (Bageecha Bagh). The Taksal guy claimed that the Taksali type kirpans he had were Budha Dal swords when I told him I knew a Budha Dal sword when I saw one he started telling me how his Taksali Kirpans were better than the Budha Dal ones. I was a bit surprised at his lies as it was meant to be a shop linked with the DDT. Then again thinking back Mokham Su the spokesman at the DDT sits in meetings with the RSS and handed over Gursikhs to Poola-nang so such behaviour is to be expected from one of their shopkeepers.

Looks like they are getting shafted in India as well. I thought the UK Border Agency had put a stop to these dodgy 1 room colleges but from adverts I have seen some are still thriving and making a kings ransom in fees. Try telling anyone in Punjab about problems finding jobs and they think you are putting them off out of jealousy. Visa refusal by UK puts students in financial mess Prabhjot Singh Tribune News Service Chandigarh, December 2 Since their hopes of studying in the UK have been ruined by the refusal of the student visa to them by the British High Commission, hundreds of prospective students from Punjab and Haryana are finding themselves in a deep financial crisis. Reports of Indian students living a miserable life in Britain notwithstanding, hundreds of students from Punjab and Haryana are applying for admission to British colleges every day. Visa refusal and then failure to get the refund of the fee paid by students in advance are putting applicants under stress. British colleges are refusing to refund the tuition fee — varying between Rs 3 lakh and Rs 4 lakh — on the plea that students are not sending back the visa letters issued to them by the institutions. Prospective students have now started questioning as how British institutions can hold back to their money for reasons beyond their control. They alleged that crores of rupees with the British colleges belonged to the people, who had no chance to go there now. They further alleged that after the refusal of a visa without an interview, there was no provision for an appeal. However, British colleges are maintaining that they cannot refund the fee deposited by the prospective student till he/ she returns the original letter of offer for admission, usually described as visa letter. Each applicant has to attach the same with his/ her visa application form. Normally, after the visa application has been processed, all attached documents are returned to the applicant. But students, who have been refused the student visa by the British High Commission during the past few weeks, did not get back this original visa letter back with their passports. And of late, the refusal rate, allege students, has gone up to 90 per cent. “It is a huge money which the British colleges are holding back and preventing us to use our money for trying our luck for admission elsewhere,” allege a group of students who got their refusal letters last week. “No one is ready to listen to us or explain why our original letter is not being returned to us. How can we ask for refund when we do not have this letter? We are caught in a piquant situation,” allege students. Sources said over a 1,000 applications for the student visa are filed every day. The British had simplified procedure for the student visa. An applicant with plus two qualification and with Rs 5 to 8 lakh in his/her bank account for 28 days or more was eligible to apply for the visa after getting admission to a British college. They said the college required the applicant student to deposit full year’s tuition fee before it issued a letter of offer for admission or visa letter, which facilitated the grant of a visa to the applicant. Maybe these 'students' are furnishing fake details or just showing they have x lakh in savings to cover the study and stay in england and then as usual not bringing any money over as the streets in england are lines with gold.

At last someone who is on the ball and understands the truth has given a statement. Nice to hear him linking the so called kar sewa baba to the RSS as some of us has suspected this for a long time.

There is very little money in making albums these days, Babbu Mann admitted himself in an interview that this album (like othrs) was going to be spread by MP3. Also not 100% sure if this is still the case but a while back Dhadrianwala had an exclusive contract with t-series (or some other VCD churner) and his chele used to stop people in India filming his programs (so t-series could have exclusives). So shall we ask him to do the same and break all his contracts and put all his recordings in the public domain? I think you should think yourself before trying to get other people to think. Mr Mann does not spread a huge chaddar for offerings next to Guru Mahraj to seek money on the basis of his community work. Dhadrianwala does collect from the sangat so let him produce independently audited accounts rather than grandstanding on stage asking people to form committees knowing full well they will not do so. If some mortal said he wanted to see his accounts and visited his dera can you imagine all his shills wanting to string the person alive for daring to question the integrity of their baba ji. Also lets have moranwali the wife deserter also put all his recordings in the public domain.

The majority of students I have encountered from Punjab are only here to work full time anyway. They have no intention to study.

Oh Come on my friend! Don't pretend you didn't want the song to be directly aimed at Baba Ranjit Singh. Stop being all humble and innocent in this, you have been one of the main stirrers in this. You have dug and dug into each lyric and made some link to all the high profile Babay who you hate. If it wasn't the red light, I'm sure you would have still made sure you linked it to Baba Ranjit Singh and kept pointing your fat judgemental onglee at him! Dhadrianwala himself linked the song to himself based on viewing one of those dodgy youtube videos, the wife deserter has in an interview last week confirmed that he thought it was aimed at Dhadrianwala because someone showed him "the bideo" on the internet. Where have I dug into the lyrics? I have simply given the other side of the story especially where the wife deserter has showboated as a panthic spokesperson. Let the wife deserter and Dhadrianwala use stage time to take on the centre or the badals, then I will applaud them. If these so called "Sant" run away from Chandigarh on the insistance of Badal Junior then I for one will point finger and ask questions. Au Revoir.

Kalgi with a Khanda as the centrepiece. There are clearly rope chains visible which are the norm with a kalgi.

Yes it was built and it still exists to this day but if the Swiss want to restrict minarets then that is down to them. Mosques can be built without minarets, there are probably umpteen such examples where mosques have been built in old shops etc in England (so the minarets are not really as important as you are making out or a religious need). What if tomorrow a couple of Parsis in the UK want a tower built so they can let birds feast on the remains of their deceased in line with what Zoroastrians do in India?

Sukhbir Badal will do anything for a few votes including selling his mother so making threats to Babbu Mann is no big thing for him. The so called ones doing Panthic Parchar were happy to call off the anti sirsa pakhandi Chandigarh morcha on Sukhbir Badals request (ask Dhuma about the meeting if you do not believe this). Did any of the so called baba dare stand and confront Sukhbir?......No, they left their morcha as soon as the meeting was over. As for visiting his dera near Patiala....no thank you I refuse to go to any dera, there are plenty of Gurdwara in Patiala district I can go to see Guru Ji! If Dhadrianwala and the wife cheating Moranwala can make statements full of krodh after watching a few lousy home made youtube videos then I too have to provide no evidence base. The only people riled by the youtube videos were Dhadrianwala and Moronwala, at no point did they bother deciphering that the videos were home made youtube upoads. I wonder hw much of their so called panthic parchar is also based on false rumours. Was it not Dhadrianwala who was spreading lies about people who have attacked the Darbar Sahib having dies within 180 days or somthing? Only for this fairy tale to have huge holes blown in it and exposed as a lie. You and the other Dhadrianwala fan club can carry on believing what you want. The Dhumma headed Sant Samaj have already been exposed as being influenced by the RSS and bowing to the wishes of Sukhbir Badal, Dhadrianwala also threw his lot in with Dhumma and did nto take a stand against Badal junior. Garam parchar now is it? More like Krodh inspired statements. I guess on your say so we ignore Kaam, Krodh Lobh etc etc. Veer Ji, I can see that you are not completely biased as you did admit to the good deed of the wedding of 100s of daughters, however, you must see the truth, and that is the reason for the persistence. Dhadrianwale did not speak out of krodh in my opinion, Dhadrianwale were merely trying to express a different view. You cannot observe every small aspect and critisize at every oppurtunity, it is not wise to pick on small things (in this situation), look at the picture as a whole. Veer Ji, I am biased in that I say keep away from Dera and follow no one but Dhan Dhan Guru Ji. I am not a mona but look at all the videos on youtube from mona who have been angered by what they also felt was krodh. There are more pressing issues for the panthic agenda than some youtube video. Take a step back listen to the song and then listen to what the likes of Dhadrianwala and the wife deserter (moronwala) said. There are plenty of other self styled Sants whom not only have lall batti on the car but are always accompanied by Punjab Police gunmen as well, it is them who should have felt the song was aimed at them. So why did Dhadrianwala react in such a way? also the wife deserter himself thought the song was aimed at Dhadrianwala. The wife deserter also keeps going on about babbu mann attacking the kar sewa wale, I have been of the view for years that they have destroyed our heritage in league with the RSS so they can achieve their agenda of projecting Sikhs as a sect of Hinduism. I could give hundreds of examples where our historical Gurdwara have been replaced by white marbled buildings (most hindu mandirs also have this cheap white marble). Important historical structures such as the Thanda Burj at Sirhind were completely destroyed by so called kar sewa wale baba. The same baba happily oversea the practice of buying thousands of extra bags of cement every week for subsidised prices which they then sell on for personal gain.

Rupinder Singh, I guess they are anti Dhadrianwala....and logically that means they are bad people...how disgusting. Strange how the Dal Khalsa are also now alleging that Dhadrianwala was using a red light but all his chele deny this was ever the case. Please can one of the chele clarify whether he did have a red light. Nothing wrong with a red light as even Jagiro (former SGPC chief) has one even though she was rejected by the voters and has no official government position, it might explain why he was so irked by the song and felt victimised by it.

Likewise there are plenty of countries in europe where they can practic their religions freely as well. Having no more minarets is harldy going to prevent them from worshipping is it?

Genocide is probably a better descriptive.

Hopefully Tytler, Nath and the other murdering scumbags will follow.

Jeevan, Spot on, no good poinitng fingers at the Swiss. Look at the plight of Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan. Also the restrictions on Sikhs in arab countries. Remember it is only a ban on minarets, they can still build mosques. It is like we can build gurdwara without domes.

Sukhbir Badal will do anything for a few votes including selling his mother so making threats to Babbu Mann is no big thing for him. The so called ones doing Panthic Parchar were happy to call off the anti sirsa pakhandi Chandigarh morcha on Sukhbir Badals request (ask Dhuma about the meeting if you do not believe this). Did any of the so called baba dare stand and confront Sukhbir?......No, they left their morcha as soon as the meeting was over. As for visiting his dera near Patiala....no thank you I refuse to go to any dera, there are plenty of Gurdwara in Patiala district I can go to see Guru Ji! If Dhadrianwala and the wife cheating Moranwala can make statements full of krodh after watching a few lousy home made youtube videos then I too have to provide no evidence base. The only people riled by the youtube videos were Dhadrianwala and Moronwala, at no point did they bother deciphering that the videos were home made youtube upoads. I wonder hw much of their so called panthic parchar is also based on false rumours. Was it not Dhadrianwala who was spreading lies about people who have attacked the Darbar Sahib having dies within 180 days or somthing? Only for this fairy tale to have huge holes blown in it and exposed as a lie. You and the other Dhadrianwala fan club can carry on believing what you want. The Dhumma headed Sant Samaj have already been exposed as being influenced by the RSS and bowing to the wishes of Sukhbir Badal, Dhadrianwala also threw his lot in with Dhumma and did nto take a stand against Badal junior. Garam parchar now is it? More like Krodh inspired statements. I guess on your say so we ignore Kaam, Krodh Lobh etc etc.

Yes looked live on PTC when I was in pind a few weeks ago.

S. Dhadrianwale does not pretend to be above or even anywhere equal to our Gurus. The bad babas such as Radha Swami, Namdhari, Sacha Sauda, Bhaniarewala, Nurmehal, etc. definitely pretend to be equal to our Gurus, but putting S. Dhadrianwale in there with them is quite wrong. By the virtue of using the Sant prefix you are pretending to be close to the status of Guru Ji. Guru Ji used the the word Gur_Sant in Gurbani to refer to bhagats and Guru. How can any of the 600+ self styled "Sant" in Punjab today have the audacity to use this prefix for themselves knowing full well the context in which the word was used by Guru Ji?

We all know the hyperbole and the exaggeration created by youtubers and media. It is there from where the matter became so big, and this 'Munda Southall Da' is just adding to the hate and trying to further officialise the war being between Dhadrianwale and Babbu Mann. It has not took Dhadrianwale 25 years to realise anything, Dhadrianwale talk in diwaans about 1984 frquently and a side question, how do you know they don't do anything? They do the Anand Karaj of 100 daughters EVERY year. You can hardly complain about Dhadrianwale for not doing enough, why don't you critisize other parchaaraks? Why don't you start on people like Bhai Harjinder Singh (Sri Nagar Wale), not saying that you should but I find it slightly one-sided that you only try to attack Dhadrianwale. Only those who truly do anything will be criticised, complained about and picked on. History is witness to this. Don't forget, Sant Ranjit Singh Jee is only about 25 years of age anyway! These daughters that are married off are also looked after by the Jathebandhi after as well. Gurdwara Parmeshar Dwar Saahib is open 24-hours a day, including service in the Langar Hall. That is not the norm in Panjab. Thousands of poor families are fed at the Gurdwara every week. A lot is being done, one needs to go to Panjab for themselves to ascertain how much one person is doing for the Panth. Sitting in foreign countries without solid information and speaking negatively about someone who is doing so much at such a young age is, to put it bluntly, shamefully foolish. I have just been travelling in and around Patiala and Nabha so I know exactly what goes on there! Many people I spoke to were pro Dhadrianwala whilst others were anti Dhadrianwala. When I questioned them as to why they were anti they said things such as "he came to our pind in a fancy 25 lakh car, Guru Mahraj was bought to the same function on foot"...."he did not partake in langar and instead he eat his food in XYZ's kothi....even mughal shehanshah's partook langar with rest of the sangat"..."on the one hand he says he does not want any offerings to be made yet his chela spread a huge chadar for offerings"..."my aunty went to school with him and we know his history" Let him take on the centre for their anti punjab policies and the badal clans raaj in punjab and I will be the first to back him. He is happy using the good name of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji in programs, so let him aspire to even do 5% of what Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji did for the panth. Harjinder Singh is a commercial ragi and does not use the Sant prefix. With great prefixes such as Sant come great responsibilities, if you cant bear these responsibilities then drop the prefix. Dhadrianwala should make clear his position with regards to the threats Sukhbir Badal made to Babbu Mann and give the centre an ultimatum that either they bring tytler, nath, bhagat and co to justice or the panth will do so. As for Major, the guy is nobody with any serious standing so let him carry on with his rubbish.

This whole issue is the creation of the so called baba. The story now is that they watched the various videos on youtube and thought that was the official video. We all know about the tirade that was then launched by Dhadrianwala and moran-wala. moran-wala was on Punjab Radio the other day and said he spoke up for the panth (do we need a wife deserter to be a panthic spokesman?) after he was made aware of the youtube videos which he thought were the official videos. So this guy gets stroppy based on what peopel tell him without bothering to do any research. I wonder how much of his other material is just wishy washy stories without any evidence base. Again if he is a soorma let him have takar with central government and punjab sarkar. Then we had Dhadrianwala showing krodh when he made his now infamous speach where he belittled mona, subsequently people have highlighted the sewa done for the panth by people who were monay such as Shaheed Bhai Sukh Singh Ji and Shaheed Bhai Jinda Singh Ji, also the soorme currently on trial for destroying the dirty phoola nang. Now lets Dhadrianwala release a statement taking back his words against mona especially with regards to the above mentioned panthic gems. If he has so much krodh then let him make a stand against the centre or punbjab sarkar....rather than getting Sukhbir Badal to make threats against Babbu Mann. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji was always ready to take on the the centre and punjab sarkar. Now we have Dhadrianwala shills telling us he has sold the Audi for the 25th anniversery of the 84 genocide. A shame that it takes an anniversery for him to sell the car, our mothers and sisters from the 84 genocide existed before the 25th anniversery and continue to exist. Let him sell the farmland he has recently bought for their benefit or will we have to wait for the 30th anniversery for him to remember them again. With the income he generates on 1 european tour he could uplift these poor widows and give them a better life. Some will say what do you do for these widows...I give what I can afford, I have no dera to build nor do I seek donations from people across the world. I applaud Dharinwala for marrying off the 105 girls but I would love for him to fill the big void currently in Sikhi and be prepared to take on the centre and tell them to take care of Tytler and co else we will and to help the victims of the 84 genocide on a larger scale. Its also a shame that people highjack Sukhmani Sahib as a cover for these baba without even delving into the use of the Sant prefix in the time of our beloved Guru Ji. What these people need to ask is are todays 600 odd selfstyled Sant in punjab deserving of the title that was used by Guru Ji to refer to Bhagats and Guru Ji.

Several of my relatives had the jab last week. As for it being made in eggs who cares, the eggs are unfertilised so little chick would not hatch anyway. The usual anti egg brigade should not hijack this thread for their brahminesque propaganda for the RSS.

Yes you can, and yes they do. I really wish they would stop with the stuff they get from DSGPC. DSGPC has been taken over by anti sikh elements. There should be sikh awareness on that. Therre is nothing inflammatory in Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji's speaches so put as many as you want up. If the speaches were inciting hate or violence then they could not be put up but all speaches I have ever heard encourage us to wake up and take amrit. Nearly every one of the orgs, jathebandis etc is under the influence of someone. Mokham Su of the DDT is known for his RSS links and the Sant Samaj lot had closed door meetings with the RSS going against the Akal Takht Hukumnama. Likewise SGPC is heavily RSS infiltrated.