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wow never knew kissing was form of kaam. what's next? holding hands, hugs form of kaaam as well? Go ahead kiss, kiss is a expression of love.

Khalsa force ji, need your input/views in this thread: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=15251

Yes for you all dera's nihangs, damdami taksal and sachkhand hazoor sahib who encourages sikhs to read more bani along with dasam bani in rehras sahib are fake sikhs. What do you want sikhs to read pick and chose gurbani by you now??? where you decide with your manmat which bani is parvan and which banis are not parvan.?? you probably an worst masand i know from this forum. sharam kar kuch..

Dhan Dhan Dhan Sachkhand Vasi Baba Thakur Singh Ji. Dhan Dhan Dhan jan aa-i-aa. Blessed, blessed, blessed is the coming of that humble being; jis parsaad sabh jagat taraa-i-aa. by his grace, the whole world is saved.

Thanks for your post gupt ji. really appreciate it to know your views. I agree with what you said. Lets hear it from other khalistanis on this board. Please post them.

well my questions are not un-answerable but those questions are extremely relevant and very easy to answer if one beleive in and practise it what one preaches as a sikh to the media or non-sikh. so before i give my vote to khalistan in future if it does happen. I personally don't want no hooligans, extermists in garb of panthic sevadars as leaders of khalistan like we have now.

read bhai sahib orginal texts in punjabi. I wouldn't trust english translations..lot of chelas of sant, bhai sahib, baba in general have tendency of adding lot of "mirch masala" in course of translating.

Nah dude, answer them here. So far, there must be close to 1000 khalistani's on this board. None of them could answer my simple questions. I can't beleive it, do you guys have think about it and answer it? I thought ideals you follow are of Guru sahib which were ucha ideals eg- never hurt an innocent, weak person. These are basic ideals. It's unfortunate that sikhs on this forum have to think about the questions before answering them like is it really necessary not to attack innocent? or is it necessary to take step against my fellow group member attacking innocent people? Are you guys seeking blood for blood(innocent people) or blood for justice(people who are responsible)?

Also have a look at the video's where bhai jeevan singh jee, Gyani amolak singh jee, Gyani Nahar singh jee, and others talk about bhai randhir singh jee. Videos are full of bairaag for their pritam pyare Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji. These videos were shot in Malton Gurdwara. http://www.akj-media.com/mindi/Vichaarvideopart1.wmv http://www.akj-media.com/mindi/Vichaarvideopart2.wmv Highly recommended :TH:

No. Why answer them when we can accuse you of being a GOI agent and not condemning the murder by the indian state. 134932[/snapback] I hope that was sarcasm. :lol:

Sri Akaal Takth Sahib was much more better in hands of Akali Nihangs than these pseudo sgpc masands, they can't even manage an tiolet in the darbar sahib. It's utterly disguisting when you look at the condition of an tiolet with marbles tiles.

Can anyone on here specific answers to those questions raised in my very first post?

So I take it that Banda Singh Bahadur was wrong to create a Khalsa Raj in East Punjab between 1710-1716? Misls were wrong to take over areas of Punjab from the Mughals and then defend it against the Afghan invaders like Abdali? Maharaja Ranjit Singh should not have ruled Punjab and called his rule as Sarkar Khalsaji? 134701[/snapback] Khalsa raj you talked about was different than khalistan you guys are aiming for. Khalsa raj by Banda Singh Bahudar and Sher-e-Punjab Maharaja Ranjit Singh Ji appreciated diversity in Sikhi, khalistan gives no signifance to flourish beautiful garden of sri guru nanak dev where diversity is there in form of different flowers all unique in its own way. Instead khalistan or khalistanis will provide acid rain to people who follows different mindset/approach to sikhi which was quite acceptable in Khalsa Raj we had in puratan times. Examples like- kharkho sikhs killing monay because they couldn't fullfill promise to grow their kesh and kharkho sikhs killing senior members of old nihangs just because they drank sukha in moderation. 134762[/snapback] You need to get off the forum and read a couple of good books on Sikh history and maybe then you might be able to take part in a worthwhile discussion. Diversity is Sikhism? I think your sanatan thinking is coming out here. As I wrote on another thread there is no such thing as 'diversity in Sikhi', none of the sampardhas you keep going on about were created by the Gurus. There was none of your diversity in Sikhism during the times of Banda Singh Bahadur, just a division between Khalsa into Bandai and Tat Khalsa. Same with the Misl period. Your diversity in Sikhi came about only during the time of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. 134824[/snapback] prove it academicaly damdami taksal and other sampardha's wasn't created by sri guru sahib? why not prove it? why keeping singin same old baja in denial? soon you will see an suprise which will tremble not only you but your sgpc leaders and other made made cults. I suggest you should brush up your scholarly skills and skills in language. It will come in handy to counter an "suprise" that you and others will receive. In words of my freind- Roop Singh: For some it be rain of amrit but for some it will be an rain of acid. 134841[/snapback] Firstly before you ask anyone to brush up on their scholarly skills you might take you're own advice and learn to spell before you do anything else and improving your grammer would be good as well! There is no need to prove that any samapardha was not created by the Gurus, the facts are there, check out Amritpal Singh's site and you will see that each sampardha started only in the 19th century. Only the Udasis are older but they were clearly exluded from Sikh Panth by Guru Amar Das. What proof does the sanantists have?... oh we got a tape recording by so and so baba that says blah blah blah so there you have it, we are Guru created and you are angrezi.. mallesh..british inspired Sikhi. It may work for people like you but normal people require more evidence and solid proof. The threat of so called 'suprise' that will bring down sgpc..your leaders..angrezi sikhi..blah blah blah has been there from your sanatan friends for the last three years. One sanatanist used to go on about how some motley crew of udasis, nihangs, nirmalas etc would march and take over Akal Takht from SGPC l'm still waiting for that, the funny thing is even given the corruption of the SGPC no Sikh would ever allow sanatanists to take over a single Gurdwara let alone the Akal Takht! 134888[/snapback] I am who I am.. I don't need to brush any of my skills. I am not aiming for scholarship or ritual of "witchhunt" that you people beleive in. anyway i m off at this discussion.. .keep it up...people who go up in sky fastly try to touch it , gets drop like a stone at the end.

sad news.

So I take it that Banda Singh Bahadur was wrong to create a Khalsa Raj in East Punjab between 1710-1716? Misls were wrong to take over areas of Punjab from the Mughals and then defend it against the Afghan invaders like Abdali? Maharaja Ranjit Singh should not have ruled Punjab and called his rule as Sarkar Khalsaji? 134701[/snapback] Khalsa raj you talked about was different than khalistan you guys are aiming for. Khalsa raj by Banda Singh Bahudar and Sher-e-Punjab Maharaja Ranjit Singh Ji appreciated diversity in Sikhi, khalistan gives no signifance to flourish beautiful garden of sri guru nanak dev where diversity is there in form of different flowers all unique in its own way. Instead khalistan or khalistanis will provide acid rain to people who follows different mindset/approach to sikhi which was quite acceptable in Khalsa Raj we had in puratan times. Examples like- kharkho sikhs killing monay because they couldn't fullfill promise to grow their kesh and kharkho sikhs killing senior members of old nihangs just because they drank sukha in moderation. 134762[/snapback] You need to get off the forum and read a couple of good books on Sikh history and maybe then you might be able to take part in a worthwhile discussion. Diversity is Sikhism? I think your sanatan thinking is coming out here. As I wrote on another thread there is no such thing as 'diversity in Sikhi', none of the sampardhas you keep going on about were created by the Gurus. There was none of your diversity in Sikhism during the times of Banda Singh Bahadur, just a division between Khalsa into Bandai and Tat Khalsa. Same with the Misl period. Your diversity in Sikhi came about only during the time of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. 134824[/snapback] prove it academicaly damdami taksal and other sampardha's wasn't created by sri guru sahib? why not prove it? why keeping singin same old baja in denial? soon you will see an suprise which will tremble not only you but your sgpc leaders and other made made cults. I suggest you should brush up your scholarly skills and skills in language. It will come in handy to counter an "suprise" that you and others will receive. In words of my freind- Roop Singh: For some it be rain of amrit but for some it will be an rain of acid.

Amrit pal singh ji is not AKJ. In fact, he wrote many intellectual articles against anti-ragmalla claims and claims of people who consider keski as kakar. His father gave all his life for the panth di seva and parchar contrary to AKJ. Nihang ji, lets not spread lies about him. And his picture in nihang dress of youth days does not prove anything. As you probably know, all the great scholars have their views changed when they acquire more vidya in subjects.

Yes yes kick out hindus from India same hindus that sri guru tegbahadar ji gave his body to save their dharam. you are classic example of sri guru gobind singh ji embodiment of khalsa bijla singh..shabash...what a bigotry. 134680[/snapback] Guru Tegh Bhadur ji gave his life for DHARAM not for hindus and for that the hindus should respect us not vice-versa 134735[/snapback] He gave his life for which dharam though? According to suitations, that dharam was just happen to be hindu dharam. Key words- Oppression and injustice towards people associated with that dharam. What kind of bigot are you suggesting that hindus should respect us but not vice versa? Didn't guru tegh bahudar ji respected hindu pandits concerns and kissed matyrdom as "hind di chadar". Where does it say in gurbani that others should respect elite sikhs but sikhs should not respect others?

Guru ji's wrote in sanskrit. Especially in sri dasam granth.

So I take it that Banda Singh Bahadur was wrong to create a Khalsa Raj in East Punjab between 1710-1716? Misls were wrong to take over areas of Punjab from the Mughals and then defend it against the Afghan invaders like Abdali? Maharaja Ranjit Singh should not have ruled Punjab and called his rule as Sarkar Khalsaji? 134701[/snapback] Khalsa raj you talked about was different than khalistan you guys are aiming for. Khalsa raj by Banda Singh Bahudar and Sher-e-Punjab Maharaja Ranjit Singh Ji appreciated diversity in Sikhi, khalistan gives no signifance to flourish beautiful garden of sri guru nanak dev where diversity is there in form of different flowers all unique in its own way. Instead khalistan or khalistanis will provide acid rain to people who follows different mindset/approach to sikhi which was quite acceptable in Khalsa Raj we had in puratan times. Examples like- kharkho sikhs killing monay because they couldn't fullfill promise to grow their kesh and kharkho sikhs killing senior members of old nihangs just because they drank sukha in moderation.

WJKK WJKF if in doubt blame the indian gov............ chances are it is them. but these guys must hav some guts to be able to pull this kinda thing off to pose as a baba and all in front of ppl, they must be so shameless, thing is this kinda thing tends to get ppl all worried and then they mite start to doubt the real Babas and Sants etc etc. lets hope this sends a message to all the other dodgy ppl. 134717[/snapback] everything is blamed onto GOI these days..lol over parnoid sikhs Nevertheless, good job showing the color of this fake sadh.

Just because it used to happen in Misls days does not make it right, there are loads of "other glorying things(sarcasm)" used to happen in misls which if there are told in sangat can cause damage to sangat's faith in misls which people these days seem to idiolize instead of dharam yudh principles, ideals created by our Guru's. I am just suprised that despite of 6th guru and 10th guru fighting many wars and their justification of war and their amount of force used in the war, complete righteous procedures were not even discussed instead of misls were discussed which came by after the Guru's....we are sikhs of guru sahib not sikhs of misl leaders. we are suppose to follow foot step of guru maharaj concept of dharam yudh not any misls, jatha's, groups.

off course, you never heard of saying of wise people- first clean your own house instead of cleaning others and besides two wrong does not make it right. Killing of innocent lives regardless whatever the cause is , whosoever doing it is wrong. I don't want nishan sahib as a flag which is drenched in innocent people's blood in khalistan. do you?

Those who don't follow Rehat Maryada of Guru Ji are all monay. Those who look like Sikhs are the worst. I don't hate anyone but it is you who lose sensible thinking when it comes to Khalistan. Your posts clearly show hatred towards Khalistanis. People never write a single word against GOI but if one person is killed by Sikhs you all have to write long posts about 'terrorism' and 'immorality'. Guru Rakha. 134686[/snapback] Why call them monay? who not call them malesh? There is no reference in gurbani about monay but yes malesh and patit, bemukhs. Do you have any idea how your post can be fully mis-interpertated by mona's(cut-hair) on this forum? stop making this as another monay vs thakedars amritdhari sikhs.

you tell me, if indian gov't takes innocent lives, should khalistani also take innocent lives? that's probably why khalistani movement miserably failed.. thanks to few terrorist members in babar khalsa and isyf. i m talking about reassurance from khalistani leaders above that they will not take innocent lives??

I am willing to support khalistan without any blood shed of innocent, with not even one single loss of innocent life of any human being. Who will be the khalistani leader from this forum who can ensure full security to innocent people lives in course of making khalistan? anyone volunteer from this forum? -what actions will you take as a leader or volunteer of an soo called khalistan freedom fighter who across the line and become ruthless murders of innocent person in course of making khalistan because of unjustified offence caused by blind hatred? a) Give him bullet right in the head/ burn him as sri guru maharaj ji burned masands? b) Excommunciate him from the panth and the group associated with khalistan. c) Take off his dastar, kanga, kara, kachera, kirpan and make him arrested? -What actions will you take to ensure there is no infltration from GOI, RSS in the khalistani group? -What actions will you take in terms of parchar, rajniti, amount of "justified" force to make khalistan? How would you draw a line? -What actions will you take to ensure there is no fanatacism, mockery committed by members of an group associated with khalistan towards other religion, customs, cultures? This is an serious post, so give honest answer.