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Why not at the Singh Sabha Gurdwara locations on Park Avenue and Havelock Road ?

Does anybody know if Singh Sabha, Southall offered to assist them ?

Southall is not a good place to live. I know. Many of the so called Punjabi youth are on drugs and the girls just goto Ealing for a bit of Gora and then hangout with mummy and daddy at HAvelock Road on the Sunday morning. True I'm sure it happens in other regions but not to this scale.

** Mod edit: long quoted reply removed ** I personally avoid tabloid newspapers, they have negative effect on spiritual jeevan, just full of celebrity gossip and whatnot. you what ? reading a tabloid messes with ones spirtual jeevan ! Ok.

West London Singh, Whilst your command of the english language is superior and blessed by Guru Ji, I am not. It is evident you are not from the gallows of UB1 but perhaps W5 or even SW7 !!! I unequivocally, absolutely, unreservedly disagree with you ! West Midlands Police is not the stupidest constabulary in England Wales -the Metropolitan Police is ! I must correct you on this point -the apnae, in the Met are the worst !

raaaas ! i was initially and till I read s50's entry (which I have no reason not to beleive) has got me vexxed. Appears cops where heavy handed, is Satkaar telling the cops how they perpetuaded the violence -there is no need for yanking a singhs beard. benti to all to upload vid asap...

I'm not a dudley supporter. Thank you for the English and Cultural Studies lecture -noted and respected. I am a Greenford High School Alumini and English is like a 'D' grade at GCSE. I am not blessed like you West London Singh (probably middle class, privately educated, lives in Holland Park). Dont rip me bro, i am doing the best with the intelligence the guru has given me.

well put genie -100% agree.

Whatever. Time to watch some sangat tv.

Im not a fan of sikh channel but may I remind these silly internet rumours, that not even sangat tv or sikh tv can withhold evidence from the police (obstructing the cause of justice). Further, this is a public order offence, doesnt matter if the gurdwara committewalia want to press charges or not. The police would want all video evidence for their own intelligence. Grow up.

agree sikh channel dont give a hoot ! satkaar need to get more organised and get more youth involved on a bigger/ slicker/ peaceful stage.

hot head pal07, is it too much to ask what satkaar group campaign about, how they prioritise their workload/ demand, what their strategy is ? if satkaar group is a vehicle to enforce the teachings of the guru, then i for one would like to know more about them and when is it just to throw bricks and fight with the police ? bal chuk maaf .

agree. muslim girls are muslim first (and foremost). Many sikh girls are (indian, punjabi, british-sikh, brown, etc) never Sikh first (not forgetting the guys).

Thank you SarabhaPanajb for your response. Surely all Sandesh's are important and the Satkaar Group shouldnt been seen 'cherry picking' easy enforcements of the many equally important Sandesh's. I went to my local Gurdwara (Singh Sabha, Havelock Road) and on two occasions (one in late March 2011 and the other 2 weeks ago) asked the management committee (Johal and Sohi respectively on the two occasions) about why they provide tables for langar as well as a seating area on the floor. I was told I dont understand Sikh politics and have a choice on whether to have langar at a table or on the floor. I mentioned the Sandesh of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and on both occasions the old men just walked off without responding. What other campaigns are the SAtkaar Group taking on -can they prioritize them ? We need a co-ordinated campaign, not some random singh, alone doing his spasmodic thing for the panth -yo get me ? PS: I maybe wrong, but why would I care about the paraatan maryada, when I have everything I need in the Akal Takht maryada ?

Will Satkaar Group also advocate (and enforce) the Sandesh of Sri Akal Takht Sahib re: having langar on the floor versus on tables ?

well articulated. agreed.

You articulate a moral dilema (for my limited prowness as a Greenford High School alumi) - are there any british newspapers the average sikh should read given the daily mail's imperialist slant ? i am intrigued on this british bank holiday, can a community be right wing -for example, can a person whose faith is sikh vote conservative ? This reminds of norman tebbits cricket test ! As for your mind boggles -I would suggest simran.

north is slough -right !

dalisingh, you appear to be the literary type. my previous post did not elude in any semantic or lexical form known to this civilisation that 'the daily mail is BALANCED. its media, they are going to sensationalise events -do you beleive every word the bbc or des pardes say ?

well put -well done satkaar. there will always be some loonies out there.

If you know anything about the law, the police have the right and means to precent access if they beleive a criminal act is about/ has occured. Disturbance of the peace, GBH, Assault, public order charges mean the singhs can face jail anything between a week to 3 years. Probably, 3 months I reckon. The funny thing about the Daily Mail article posted earlier is, there is a link at the bottom to say prison costs more than a 5 star hotel in some instances.

Its actually a very middle to left popular newspaper. Its definitely not right wing in the slightest.

Why are Satkaar Group selecting their campaigns against beadbi ??? There are so many other places where maryada and anti-Gurmat practices are being promoted. For example, Anand Karaj of non-Sikhs at Gurdwarae -Havelock Road, Southall (largest Gurdwara outside of India) openly allows this ????? Where are the Satkaar Group -to scared to get fisted by Sohi's army !? Another thing, makes Sikhs seems like a group of thugs in the western media -they dont know masa rangar, hoozer sahib, sant saphi concept -two wrongs do not make a right ! Still look on the bright side, those convicted will be sent to Winson Green prison in Birmingham (for about 3 months) and then transfered to either Wormwood scrubs or the other near Peterbrough -hope their loved ones can travel to see them for the 1-2 hours every 2 weeks.

The management committee have lost the plot here ! Speed dating/ offering a matrimonial service: great and needed. well done Allowing anyone to marry to the Anand Karaj (if they can afford the fee): not right ! Maryada clearly states a Sikh can only marry another Sikh. Southall Gurdwara clearly allows mixed ethnic group marriages which is against Maryada.

Its all very well having historic pictures and text however, the Hukunama of Sri Akal Takht Sahib dated June 6th 2008 (no:a:3/08/3143) clears the confusion once and for all. Unless we dont believe in the Hukanama of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and know better. Your choice...