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It's quite simple. Either we have a rule of law or we allow each community to have its own militia and we have civil war. If I were Prime Minister I would first of all create a state of emergency and crack down on all these different groups, and by that I mean violently. These groups be they SP, HT, NF etc are threatening the very balance of British society. Go to an area like Southall: people there are Panjabi first before being British. That is just unacceptable. You have people who lived in the country for 30 years and refuse to simply speak the language. In fact go to any gurdwara in the UK all the speaches are done in Panjabi. I fully support the government's project to end this. Groups like SP, HT, FN and what not are just the extreme manifestation of many groups (including white English) who refuse to integrate into the British reality. Imagine a Panjabi girl really falls in love with a Christian, Jew or Muslim, if communities are given too much power as it is the case now, her liberties as an individual are limited in a state where the rule of law is suppose to exist. Hence why these groups simply have got to be smashed.

Sorry if you look back I did actually write a proper reply. It's just these other guys who have been adding stuff about me being javanmard etc. Blame them not me. As far as I am concerned none of these SP groups should exist in any civilised society. Simple as that. Britain is governed by the rule of the law. If any person feels threatened they should use the law instead of playing pindu heroes. Sure the British police isn't perfect but if that's the problem than tackle that issue instead creating even more hassle. I totally agree that Skinheads and certain Pakistani youth groups are a problem but to go down to their level doesn't solve the problem at all. These groups only exist because they are allowed to exist. Last spring the authorities in Tehran lined up all the different gangs that exist in Tehran and now people can go out until quite late without feeling that they're not safe. If Tehran can do that I so no reason as to why the British authorities can't do that. The police knows very well where these groups exist and with the present anti-terror legislation it should be quite easy to get rid of all these scumbag groups i.e. skinheads, Pakistani, Panjabi, Somalian etc groups. The problem is the authorities don't do anything about any of these groups: asks yourselves why instead of going on about shamsher being a <admin-profanity filter activated> doing nindiya etc...

I just kindly replied to a simple question.

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I am not slapping anyone. I hope what you say is true. Anyways my intension was not to gossip or create confusion. So stop accusing me of that ok?

Amazing how a simple info that comes out of my mouth generates: a. confusion b. all kinds of paranoid reactions

Ok just for the slow among you: a. it's a gang involved in criminal activities b. it calls itself SP c. I am not saying that it is the same as the Birmingham guys

I never said they were the same people. I am just saying there is a group called SP in the London area that's all.

Well it's not like I was pretending to be anyone. As far as I know people can chose the name they want no? I like the expression: "Monkeys in Singhs clothings", totally suits you.

Wow bikkie you're such a detective. No I am still on SA. Just curious about Sikhsangat. I have to say I was missing you darling. Muuuuaaaaah As for nindiya, just because what I say doesn't fit your way of thinking doesn't mean it's nindiya. You should perhaps stop taking the stuff I say personally.The world doesn't rotate around you darling although you're still my favourite :wubc:

Thanks for correcting my Panjabi. Always had difficulties with languages that only recently received a grammar. Chalo. Well about Ram Rayas you are right, I totally forgot to call them Ram Rayas damm. Again thank you Bikkie. Muuuaaaah

Taksali and Nihang unity:yes AKJ: NEVER Jehra gurbani da shak karda oh sikh ho nahin sakda! Sounds cruel but we should judge on principles NOT people. Just because someone looks like a Singh doesn't make him a Sikh. A Sikh follows gurbani ALL of gurbani from a to z. There is no picking and chosing just because one doesn't like a shabad. If you don't like it create another religion or simply leave!

I wasn't talking about the Birmingham SP who did a good job cracking down on skinheads I am talking about the new SP in London. So stop getting paranoid ok?

I just see many people here having a problem with Panjabi using their basic human right of chosing the partner they want to marry. If I didn't know this forum was "Sikh" I'd think you were some backward Saudi or Afghan tribesmen...

LOL so typical!!!

I have these informations from an ex SP from the London area. Of course I can't reveal his name but sure is these people have nothing to do with Sikhi. But if you want to defend criminals that's up to you!

SP as been re-created in London and is active in the realm of drug-dealing, prostitution etc It is used by certain Sikh youth organisations and gurdware to silence opponents. It has insider links within the police in the London area reason why no real action as been taken against them. They have also been very active in spreading rumours about Muslims converting Sikh and Hindu girls although it is known that they themselves have been active in getting Muslim girls into their pimping network. ps. as far as Muslims converting Hindu and Sikh girls are concerned. From my knowledge this is mostly true of Salafi groups like Hizbut Tahrir.But their main objective is to convert Shi'a girls not just Hindus and Sikhs.Just for info...

You are as paranoid as they come...ay baba!

Look Naqli Purakh ki mauj, Amrit Veerji does NOT promote Niddar Singh ok? So stop spreading lies about him. Unlike you he has worked to bring out real arguments against Niddar Singh in a respectful manner.

Curious what your white masters say about you so you may feel good about yourselves. What slave mentality!

Well why don't you start one then...

1. Noor TV is a news channel and is lea

Well sorry I am not Panjabi or Indian and I sit on the floor in the darbar and in the langar.There simply is no excuse even for non Sikhs.For elderly people or handicaped people the case i different. Chairs should be provided as well as cushions if they wish to sit on the floor but lean on something.

Good stuff but in terms of accuracy...their bunga should have been blue unstead of kesri, their turban style does not correspond to the times in which they lived and their clothes should have been jame with the opening on the side. That's just me being fussy!!! A positive step though on the pah of educating Sikh youngsters!!!

I just find it interesting to see people who used the argument of love for Maharaj when it suits them, in a highly selective way...The same that use this "love for Maharaj" argument to get people to take amrit (a good thing in itself) are the same that in order to disguise their own laziness and incompetence say: Well it doesn't matter if I don't know raags as long as I sing with pyaar ... There is no doubt that Baba RamRai loved his father but even just changing one line of gurbani got him disgraced. Raag kirtan just like khande da amrit is an essential part of Sikhi to disrespect it is simply unacceptable. Yes Maharaj is all merciful but this is no excuse for being lazy and un-cultured.