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read seh kanayiaa by Baba Harnam Singh Jee raampur kehraa wale - they had the vision 7-8 years before 1984 era,since they were close with Sant Bindranwale - therefore sant jee knew what was going to happen

Guys, By posting on the net you're onlymaking things worse. Post on the net once it's resolved - you guys are supposed to be the leaders of tomorrow's Sikhism - so resolve it like professional no matter how bad it looks and report here once resolved.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/63888-concerns-about-sikhri/?hl=sikhri Read my post here: http://forums.wahegu...post__p__204098 . Also read that thread regarding harinder started going global. This guy is total toxic. I would probably wash my hand thousand times if I meet him again. If you want to talk about it then let me know via pm. Why Toxic: 1. Against Sri Dasam Granth. I don't need to explain more. 2. Against Ardas (Modified it). In 90's camps they used to say "Guru maneyo Panth...". That was their first mistake. They probably don't do that again but you will hear them "We are panth" over and over. 3. To them Meat is okay. Mostly 95% of their camps serves meat on their menu. Amritdhari camp goers eat meat regularly. Their official secondary youth sewadar in written admit and all california know that he eats meat openly while wearing kirpan. I can give names but i won't as it will get me in trouble. 4. Guru Granth Sahib ji Beadbi: To them it is certainly a book and they clearly have no respect. They still take guru sahib jee in carry-on roller bags from local gurdwara sahib to camp site. 5. School Syllabus: Sold and still selling their sunday gurdwara school syllabus with countless mistakes (mainly Ardas) and so on. You can find about that online. Bay Area (San Francisco) largest gurdwara sunday school teachers protested for more than one year and finally gave them ultimatum to put their school materials in garbage. Though one good thing out of all bad is that they are pro-sikh movement. They are in together with insaaf and sikh coalition and recently with khalra organization. Other than that they should be really avoided at all cost; especially his interaction with youth or kids.

may as well add the SIKHRI to this too

Could i have honest views on SIKHRI - this guy needs to be challenged and there is no one out there that can challenge- any one? His presentation is not in line with basic Sikhe

Any calling a sikh taliban is the most disgraceful thing ever - they are the biggest taliban themselves - refrain from using such language or gorw up

Absolutley right please stop the name calling - there is no need for it - no need for childish behaviour -

so so sad so so sad - unbelievably sad especially for the Kids that were involved and looked forward to it on a daily basis. Why are we so lost - may Maharaj help our souls and make us look deeper within, Machete jeeo many thanks for clearing up your input. I was a contributor from down south monthly contributor aftter the acaddmey went on air on the sikh channel a year or so ago , thining our youth are top notch and have got this one straight. The academy was a backdrop for a lot of instable youth too and a great inspiration.Which Gurdwara has got this - what a shame- GREAT GREAT SHAME.

more importantly is there any one in the UK who can challenge Harinder singh - pleae send those details to in private email .We need someone with articulate presentation to challange this guy properly and knip him in the bud.£XXX for an hour's talk about your own history to you with mix of his own modern icing - what aload of shambles

excellent - for tying up SIKHRI Harinder singh with this goon. Harinder singh is in the uk and doing a tour- charges a three figure sum for an hours lecture on talking history - .We are a community being raped by our own in broad daylight - god help us

absolute madness

i AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY - at last someone is shedding light here on this particular thread. the absolute truth of the matter is that these type of sikhs are springing up everywhere are the worst distrorters,representers of SIKHS - the guy should take a shave if he wants to sing gora songs and wants to win these type of competitions.to the lovers of this goon, Where is it in any sikh teachings or Gurbani that we are to behave in such low life ways? Being a kesdhari and doing such acts is the worst type of representation ever for sikhs - There is no need to applaud here at all NONEED.

DEKH PRAYAAN CHANGEHEAAAN MAAVAAAN DHIAAAAN BHENAAAA JANEEE --- we have lost the basics if we think this is right. We are to treat other women as sisters, mothers, daugthers approripriately- there are plenty of quotes from SGGS in regards to this. This pleb should be pulled up on this and given a good lesson in basic sikhism with love ..not slaps please:)

like i said everyone has their reasons - do what you can for the panth mate - don't worry about rest of the panthic jathebandia too much - they're all doing a wonderful job already.Some in these groups will stay the same i.e listen to keertan have langar and go home and think about seva. Some will go the extra mile and do more - but there is no way of knowing who will as it depends on circumstances of the individual. However there are some that are gupt - maybe your one of them who do more than anyone. Think about it this way if they are already doing something and what you or i want from them - then surely there are valid reasons for them no being there - not just paintbrush everyone that are doing nothing about this and that. Lastly not sure if you will find the answer to your question - but one thing is for certain - honest seva what ever one can do even if it's 5 mins a day will yield results - so stop the criticism bandwagon and do what u can matey.

let me give you a reality check too - you're making a dogs dinner out of nothing mate . AKJ - are AKHAND KEERTANI JATHA - understand that first. There utmost seva is KEERTAN - which is a happening all over the uk and world wide. If they haven't been present in the questions and place you mention - doesn't mean they don't no alignment in the panth. - for crying out loud what kind of basless point are you making. The AKJ have a handful of singhs who do seva of yatra to Pakistan every year,a handful who do some political work -i.e Sikh coucil - British sikh council , a handful doing SOPW work for 84 prisoners in India. And loads others doing GUPT seva which non of us know about way way beyond our imagination. STOP your curiousity killed the cat questions and say something fruitful - which seva do you do yourself and are inclined to - ? forget any JATHA mate.

yoU miss my points totally - DEFUNCT - as in DEFUNCT jatherdaars running it hand in glove with the government. DEFUNCT - due to the AKAL takht cannot make the right decision based on SANGATS world wide- ITS time AKAL TAKHT had its representatives throughout the world in the form of Panj Pyares

AKJ OR FED - doesn't matter at all - what matters is SANGAT. SANGAT IS highest of all.

Bhen Lavleen Kaur Jeeo, Many Thanks for writing a proper analysis - a swell job - brilliant write up. your conlusion seems to Dhunda has won - but rest assured our conclusion here in the western world should be - isn't it about TIME WE HAD OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVES IN THE UK WHO MONITOR PARCHARKS AT THE VERY BARE MINIMUM. Apologies for CAPS but i feel we are too slow to act anywhere in all panthic challanges. How's the SIKH council doing in the UK - do they have this on their agenda if not why not? Come on we need a vote here across all media channels - outlets that we in the UK should adapt our own PANJ PYaree who will monitor ALL parcharks and ALL gurdwara committees are to follow their ruling in the UK. THE AKAL TAKHT is DEFUNCT with jathedaars that are hand in glove with the indian government - we don't need them they are OF NO USE TO US. IF THEY HAVE BEEN OF USE PLEASSE MENTION . PLEASE - we must do something instead of just talk. apologies in advaance

There is no logiv here - just bibble babble. - There cannot be no suffering from eating langar - what planet are u on boss? agree with kalygi -- not to take it to extreme and treat like a dessert dinner

Guys, Quick question the other day Singh sahib Bhai Ranjit singh came on air and produced information about badal and co - how they have misled punjab over the decades since 1978 - the talk was massive with loads of documentary proof which bhai ranjit singh has - - my question is has any website been created to reveal this to wide mass Sikh sangtan?? It's very relevant - woondering if it has been done or not? The information is startling and mind blowing who badal and his sons have looted panjab and mainuplated the indian goverment on every grant or concession. very details info - it needs to be up and otu there. SINCE AURANGZEB - NO ONE HAS LOOTED PUNJAB AS MUCH NOT EVEN THE ENGLISH AS HAVE THE BADAL STOOGES

reckon india goverment paid her for a new life in singapore - just think about it for a minute - thers is no way she would have had any proper life in india - after what happened. all death about her is a complete and utter farce - find it hard to beleive. i doubt nothing will change in india - face reality what has changed since independance - a few roads and a metro thats about it - and an obivois massive rich poor gap - the country is beautifuk the people who run it are a complete bunch corrupt and will remain so as they are same old brahmins - nothing new.

excellent points ms514 - if it can be done in a loving way it would make them look like the bigger fools. secondly - if they are planted or not - it doesn't matter - what matters is how we handle it - and at the moment we are absoltuely falling into the trap- let's see if anything changes

yeah guys it's called SOFT POWER - but as someone more intelligent than me has said not in front of SGGS saroop -- in darbar - well it's a big big no -- back to square one

well the calmest way to do it is - to just put a really smelly stinkbomb up in his kurta or something as he's about to go on stage - and detonate the stink bomb remotely-. simple really - forget about protests that makes you and us look like fools in the eyes of the general public.