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Did "Khulasa Sikhs" refer to khalsa Sikhs who got haircuts?

The term "sehajdhari Sikh" was meant to refer to someone from a Hindu background who was in the process of transitioning to becoming a fully practicing Sikh. It is not meant to refer to monay born into keshdhari Sikh families (or families that have keshdhari Sikh ancestry). The whole notion of a "sehajdhari" is someone who is a slow adopter but is in the process of adopting Sikhi. The term "sehajdhari Sikh" has been misinterpreted to suggest that just remaining a "sehajdhari" is some sort of legitimate form of being a Sikh. And as I said, it has been misinterpreted as referring to what we refer to as "monay."

How silly is it that those twitter guys expend so much effort defending anti-Sikh behavior. Yet, they are incapable of doing something to move closer to Sikhi that literally requires NO EFFORT.

I don't think singhs are better than monay. Monay are just not sikhs. It is that simple. That is not my opinion. That is what monay have declared. Anyway, it is not about judging individuals, who are complex and must be assessed as wholes. Who am I to judge anyway. But it is sad that, even on forums meant to promote and discuss Sikhi, it is somehow controversial to say that cutting kesh is wrong. It is somehow controversial to say that "keeping kesh is better than cutting kesh."

Some problems with Sikhs: 1) We live in the past. Do Pakistanis get all nostalgic and obsessive about Amritsar and Jalandhar? 2) We put being Punjabi ahead of being Sikh. Punjabi Muslims are Muslim first, Pakistani second, Punjabi third. Punjabi Hindus are Hindu first, Indian second, Punjabi third. Sikhs are Punjabi first.

Sadly, it's not that far off from people elevating babbu "can I have a one night stand with you" mann after he sung a few pro-sikh songs. Sikhs needs to be secure about Sikhi. Sikhi does not need these kinds of people to endorse it or grant it some sort of legitimacy.

It is what it is. Gotta move on.

Expelling 38% of the population is possible. Expelling 80+%? I don't know.

And for most of those 50 years, the "empire" covered a relatively small area. Much of the empire was only under Ranjit Singh (and his successors') control for 10-20 years. And as you mentioned, most of modern day Indian Punjab was not part of the empire. Probably half of the Sikh population of the time lived outside of the empire. Calling it the "Sikh Empire" is very misleading.

I have never said anything like that. On the contrary, look at my post saying I'd rather vote for Bhagwant Mann than the Badals. What I am saying, to make it crystal clear for you, is: Person A doing thing X is a better situation than person A not doing thing X

There is no plan that can made to address this. We have reached the point of no return.

With respect to politics and why panthic politicians never get elected, people overlook the divisions with the Sikh community. First of all, less than 60% of the population of Punjab is Sikh. That alone makes it extremely difficult to elect any politician who will be portrayed as putting Sikh issues first. Then you have to understand that most of the "Sikh" politicians prioritize issues that matter to jatts. And even if one argues that they don't prioritize those issues that much, non-jatt Sikhs have the perception that "panthic" politicians put jatt issues first. I blame jatts for their tribalism and for being jerks to Sikhs from other groups.

I see where you are coming from. But what I witnessed when I went to India (pathological dishonesty, materialism, corruption, casteism, etc.) makes it difficult for me to sympathize much with them. These people were handed a religion to free them from so much of what plagues them, and they squandered that good fortune. How can it make any sense that the "Sikh" community has huge problems with alcohol, drug use, female infanticide, huge spending on lavish weddings that leave families financially crippled, and caste-based discrimination? It is disgraceful.

I am kind of offended that you suggested that I only have issues with Sikh women. I dislike all monay, men or women (and some non-monay).

That's great news! Now I know that if you aren't an amritdhari Sikh, following rehit is not important in Sikhi. Thank you for clarifying! I can't wait to book the first flight to Amsterdam!

I understand what the choices were and why people voted for Bhagwant Mann. I would have voted for him before I voted for the Badals, despite the Badals being keshdhari. But this thread isn't about the choice people made given who was on the ballot. This is about the fact that a mona CM was even possible, and what that says about the Sikh community. 20-30 years ago, Bhagwant Mann would have had to become a proper Singh if he dreamed of becoming CM. There would not have even been a legitimate mona or "trim singh" candidate. Everyone would known that only a "proper singh" would be taken seriously and accepted as the CM by the Sikh community. So EVERY CM candidate, ranging from sincere and panthic-minded to corrupt and dishonest, would have been a singh. As I said, it symbolizes the erosion of basic standards in the Sikh community.

Monay are more disrespectful towards Singhs than any group of people on the planet ... with the exception of monis.

Yeah, that's why the term "6-6-6" was coined. I will leave it to you to figure out what each "6" stands for.

Being in shape alone can't put you in the top 10%. It can help maybe in the context of obtaining short-term flings, but not marriage. Looks are not enough, women also want financial stability (preferably a lot more than stability).

Yeah, the vast majority of men who are earning higher-end salaries are married and/or old

They were dark from sun tans probably. Punjabis are still tiny today, so that part hasn't changed.

Are you serious? Virtually every mona I have encountered (in real life or online) who attempts to justify being mona will say something like "so-and-so was mona and was a shaheed and KP Gill kept his kesh, so kesh is meaningless" They sometimes cite Bhagat Singh, sometimes other "shaheeds." Anyway, it's really not difficult to understand why monay prop him up: people want heroes who are like them.

Okay.

Let's pretend I was still interested in getting married. There are lots of horror stories about marriages involving an NRI and Punjabi. I am sure you know of them, so I won't rehash them here.

I don't know what would happen if I ran into one. Most likely nothing since I don't care at this point.