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I just passed through Leicester Square and there were some Punjabi “street performers” dancing to the “3 peg” song.

I feel sorry for the British Sikhs. You guys probably can’t escape from such buffoonery!

23 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We need to produce normal, grounded, relatable leaders and role models with integrity and knowledge of how things truly work. Celebrities and, even the other extreme, hardcore brahmgyanis locked away in their religious compounds with little understanding of what life is like for the average person, are just no help to anyone.

You make a good point, but I would take it a step further and argue that the need for community leaders and role models is itself a failure. Ideally, our role models growing up would be the people who brought us into this world.

What kind of person would fit your description? Whoever this hypothetical person might be, if they existed, there would probably be a thread about them on SikhSangat pointing out their various deficiencies. And that is unavoidable because everyone has deficiencies, and it shows how problematic the need for leaders and role models is in the first place.

9 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

On the serious. 

 

When people used to say that juts are being targeted like blacks were in the US in terms of pigeon-holing them into criminal, entertainer identities I used to think that it was a load of paranoid conspiracy theory. What I'm seeing now is making me seriously re-evaluate this. 

 

Tread carefully folks!!!! I think you may be getting shoehorned by a number of govt agencies. And this is global - Canada is already neck deep.  

In both cases, the government (US in the case of American blacks and Indian in the case of Punjabi jats) is undoubtedly behind the scenes trying to push the community in a certain direction. But at the end of the day, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. If Sikhs were stronger in their practice of Sikhi, none of this would matter.

22 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't know about the small number that may go overboard about their deaths.  But some of their tunes are banging classics. Tupac started well, very conscious and talking about relevant issues in his community. He also had strong family links to the Black Panthers. I think a culmination of being robbed by people he suspected were connected to his friends, being attacked by the police and then being jailed for not preventing some of his 'homies' forcefully having sex with a women he had just had sex with, f**ked his head up. Prison time can do that to a person. Suge Knight wasn't exactly a good influence on him either. I think his life serves as a warning to people - that all of this was lost on Moosewala, who wanted to emulate the more destructive later part of his life and not learn from it, says it all. 

Biggie made banging tunes as well. From my perspective it was as much about the music production as the lyrics.

I know the state of the black community out there. Solely blaming that on rap and not facing the long term (centuries!), systemic moves against them is painting a skewed picture in my opinion. I've met with a few blacks from the states over the years. A lot of whites have a scarcely concealed deep rooted hatred for them, especially in the south.  Racism also plays a big part in opportunities being offered, like it does to many of us too.     

Plus where I live shapes my attitude a bit. I mean just last year there were 30 odd deaths of young men in my city, mainly through stabbings and the like. It was pretty much the same in the previous year. 

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-31/2021-is-the-joint-worst-for-teenage-killings-in-london-these-are-the-victims 

Tupac making a few positive/thoughtful songs here and there does not change the fact that his overall contribution was very negative. Whatever caused him to go down that path is irrelevant. It is what it is.

I did not solely (or even partially) blame rap for the bad condition of the American black community. That condition existed before hip-hop. What I am saying is that the fact that many in the black community hold up a destructive, ignorant, negative figure like Tupac as someone who should be admired and was some sort of leader is an indication that the community has some serious issues. (What has caused these serious issues is a long story and perhaps better left for another discussion.) I see some parallels with the types of people who the Punjabi community rallies around these days, and to me, it is an indication of some very serious problems.

I don't know why anyone is feeling sad for Sidhu. If he knew ahead of time that he would die in a similar fashion to his idol Tupac, he probably would have been thrilled!

You should feel happy for him!

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Some of you lot make me laugh. A singer from a relatively wealthy background who promoted casteism and gangster lifestyles, who then joins congress <confused face> who then advocates for K'stan <even more confused face> gets killed, and you lot go on like we've lost some panthic leader. And people acting shocked that he died exactly like many who glamourise that lifestyle die???

Baffled.  

Anyway, it's obvious it's soon going to be time for me to leave this forum as I can't relate to any of this anymore. 

Every last one of you needs to get a lot more worldly and street wise. 

Yeah.

The reaction to this death on a forum for religiously inclined Sikhs basically illustrates why the Sikh community is a joke.

A guy spends his life making music and videos with messages that are very explicitly anti-Sikh, and his death is somehow a huge loss for the Sikh community?

54 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

"Mo Moneh mo problems!"

I actually wrote the lyrics for that one.

Anyway, I am eager now for @MisterrSingh to provide examples of UK Sikh families living in complete isolation who showed the world how tough they are and gave him an opportunity to beat his chest.

18 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

That says a lot about you. More than you realise.

Really? What does it say about me?

18 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It's all a question of scale I guess. Most Europeans don't think like Americans in the way you're conveying hopping from one separate nation to the next like it's a road trip where people drive through states. Stuff like language, culture / local customs, etc., are all rather concrete and definite over here. I don't think you have to learn a completely new language when you get to Milwaukee in order to converse with the locals. Borders are a thing although I guess you Commie ret4rds are determined to eliminate them, lol.

The fact that you think Americans go around driving through different states regularly again shows your ignorance. It is much easier to travel from the UK to various European destinations than it is to travel between American cities that are far apart. Also, I know what you meant by "Europeans" through your British lenses, but saying "most Europeans" don't easily move around from one separate nation to the next is actually kind of funny considering how regularly continental Europeans do just that.

You are much more likely to see British Sikhs on holiday in various European capitals where the local Sikhs are in precarious situations than you are to see a Sikh from southern California visiting Milwaukee (why on Earth would someone visit Milwaukee?).

Anyway, all of that is really beside the point. And you bringing up language and customs to try to deflect is pretty lame. My comment was clearly meant to illustrate how absurd it is that you people think that Sikhs living thousands of miles apart from each other can somehow act together as a community in the same way as Sikhs living in high density a few miles from each other. I had to use different countries in the example because I can't find any two points on your island that are far enough apart.

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By the way, I'm sorry I didn't recognize all of the UK Sikhs who live in "heavily mixed non-Sikh areas."

It must be incredibly isolating not living in Southall, but instead living a whopping 5 miles away from it!

6 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Unless someone's from Southall, Birmingham, or some similarly defined Punjabi ghetto, there aren't "thousands of Sikhs" living next to each other anywhere. We just happen to not easily take shittar from whites, blacks, or whomever else when we live in heavily mixed non-Sikh areas.

The obvious reason why American Sikhs are unable to respond as a community to various things is staring you right in the face: no population density, nothing resembling a "community," and in turn no power or influence.

But rather than accept the obvious answer, you want to take this opportunity to engage in some pointless chest-beating. Is there something in the water there that makes you people (who come from the same culture and same pinds) different?

Let me ask you something about UK Sikhs. Why can't you do anything about the sorry state of Sikhs in France? No, don't tell me that France is a different country. It is a hell of a lot easier to get from London to Paris than it is from my family's home to the various places mentioned in this thread. And while you are at it, why don't you put on your mask and cape and go sort out the Italians mistreating Sikh farm workers in Italy? I would have to travel twice as far to get to Milwaukee as you would to get to Rome. Sikhs in France and Italy and Germany are MUCH more a part of your community than Sikhs in New York or Milwaukee are a part of mine.

That's how ludicrous you guys sound when you talk about the US.